The Finals
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What I've been reading is that generally, GS has a better overall quality of player than Cleveland, and while LBJ (lol) is the best, he's been carrying the team and will tire as the series goes on, where Curry hadn't had to be at his best for the series to stand at 2-2, and so was fresh enough to step up last night.
Would you consider that fair? Would it have been the case without the injuries to Love and Irving?
What I've been reading is that generally, GS has a better overall quality of player than Cleveland, and while LBJ (lol) is the best, he's been carrying the team and will tire as the series goes on, where Curry hadn't had to be at his best for the series to stand at 2-2, and so was fresh enough to step up last night.
Would you consider that fair?
Perhaps
Would it have been the case without the injuries to Love and Irving?
NO
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if you can't match GS's 3s (when they are on) with at least some of your own, you're going to lose.
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Hot? He was 0 for 8 in the second half, no?
He's as good a shooter as Curry so he needs to play more.
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Hot? He was 0 for 8 in the second half, no?
He's as good a shooter as Curry so he needs to play more.
He's as good a shooter as Curry so he needs to play more.
He's not as good a shooter as curry
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Kyrie might be but kyrie is done.
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Hot? He was 0 for 8 in the second half, no?
Sorry, my bad- wasn't paying attention.
if you can't match GS's 3s (when they are on) with at least some of your own, you're going to lose.
Exactly. The Cavs lost when they started clanking those threes. Well Le Bron- the record for most points in a Finals game is 63 by Jordan- you may have to break it for the Cavs to have a chance to win tonight.
He's as good a shooter as Curry so he needs to play more.
Oh- so Curry finally starts playing like an MVP in game 5, and you have to start dragging up shit? MHO- Le Bron deserves the finals MVP- win or lose. JR's a streak shooter- great first half, lousy second. Overall- Smith has been cold the whole series.
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Hot? He was 0 for 8 in the second half, no?
Sorry, my bad- wasn't paying attention.
if you can't match GS's 3s (when they are on) with at least some of your own, you're going to lose.
Exactly. The Cavs lost when they started clanking those threes. Well Le Bron- the record for most points in a Finals game is 63 by Jordan- you may have to break it for the Cavs to have a chance to win tonight.
He's as good a shooter as Curry so he needs to play more.
Oh- so Curry finally starts playing like an MVP in game 5, and you have to start dragging up shit? MHO- Le Bron deserves the finals MVP- win or lose. JR's a streak shooter- great first half, lousy second. Overall- Smith has been cold the whole series.
Sorry, my bad- wasn't paying attention.
Exactly. The Cavs lost when they started clanking those threes. Well Le Bron- the record for most points in a Finals game is 63 by Jordan- you may have to break it for the Cavs to have a chance to win tonight.
Oh- so Curry finally starts playing like an MVP in game 5, and you have to start dragging up shit? MHO- Le Bron deserves the finals MVP- win or lose. JR's a streak shooter- great first half, lousy second. Overall- Smith has been cold the whole series.
Agreed Lebron should be the MVP regardless but JR Smith is a good shooter but that's about it. Curry shot the ball well in 3,4 & 5
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Sorry, my bad- wasn't paying attention.
Exactly. The Cavs lost when they started clanking those threes. Well Le Bron- the record for most points in a Finals game is 63 by Jordan- you may have to break it for the Cavs to have a chance to win tonight.
Oh- so Curry finally starts playing like an MVP in game 5, and you have to start dragging up shit? MHO- Le Bron deserves the finals MVP- win or lose. JR's a streak shooter- great first half, lousy second. Overall- Smith has been cold the whole series.
Agreed Lebron should be the MVP regardless but JR Smith is a good shooter but that's about it. Curry shot the ball well in 3,4 & 5
Agreed Lebron should be the MVP regardless but JR Smith is a good shooter but that's about it. Curry shot the ball well in 3,4 & 5
As was said on another board- the reason the Cavs lost game 6 in particular- and the series in general- was- from three point land- they couldn't spit off a camel and hit sand. 6\26, Le Bron 2\10. And that number is deceiving- JR hit a couple when it was essentially garbage time.
Yeah- the Warriors sort of packed it in and made it tough to score in the paint- but it was just disgusting to see open three after open three get clanked.
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Bottom line is we played almost all the playoffs without 2 of our 3 best players. The players remaining played their hearts out, but their legs were GONE late in all games in the Championship Series. I don't believe there is ANY other NBA team that could have made it as far as they did with the injuries they had.
Thanks to the Cavs for playing "ALL IN"! Even after the loss, I stand in awe of their determination & heart.
Mike
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Thank you cavs for a great season. All the bad luck in the world and we still managed to make an incredible run of it. I'm not impressed with the golden state warriors. They didn't beat a single healthy team in their whole run and I don't think there's a chance thet get past a healthy cavs team. No excuses. LeBron will get crushed by media and haters because blah blah blah something Michael Jordan but fuck it. Anyone with eyes saw how great he can play.
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Thank you cavs for a great season. All the bad luck in the world and we still managed to make an incredible run of it. I'm not impressed with the golden state warriors. They didn't beat a single healthy team in their whole run and I don't think there's a chance thet get past a healthy cavs team. No excuses. LeBron will get crushed by media and haters because blah blah blah something Michael Jordan but fuck it. Anyone with eyes saw how great he can play.
Thank you cavs for a great season. All the bad luck in the world and we still managed to make an incredible run of it. I'm not impressed with the golden state warriors. They didn't beat a single healthy team in their whole run and I don't think there's a chance thet get past a healthy cavs team. No excuses. LeBron will get crushed by media and haters because blah blah blah something Michael Jordan but fuck it. Anyone with eyes saw how great he can play.
Honestly, I don't think Jordan ever faced a team in the Finals as good as Lebron has faced in the Spurs and Warriors.
And Jordan never won a Finals where say both Scottie Pippin and Dennis Rodman or Horace Grant were out injured, did he?
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Superbasket
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Thank you cavs for a great season. All the bad luck in the world and we still managed to make an incredible run of it. I'm not impressed with the golden state warriors. They didn't beat a single healthy team in their whole run and I don't think there's a chance thet get past a healthy cavs team. No excuses. LeBron will get crushed by media and haters because blah blah blah something Michael Jordan but fuck it. Anyone with eyes saw how great he can play.
Honestly, I don't think Jordan ever faced a team in the Finals as good as Lebron has faced in the Spurs and Warriors.
And Jordan never won a Finals where say both Scottie Pippin and Dennis Rodman or Horace Grant were out injured, did he?
Honestly, I don't think Jordan ever faced a team in the Finals as good as Lebron has faced in the Spurs and Warriors.
And Jordan never won a Finals where say both Scottie Pippin and Dennis Rodman or Horace Grant were out injured, did he?
I think he has...the Lakers were a pretty good team.
Jordan outshines LeBron in every imaginable way.
Michael Jordan was 6-0 in the NBA finals
Kobe Bryant is 5-2
Magic Johnson was 5-4
Larry Bird 3-2
...and at the bottom is LeBron at 2-4.
Not a finals record you would expect from a superstar.
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Jordans balls are so chocolatey that certain people just can't help gobbling them.
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Honestly, I don't think Jordan ever faced a team in the Finals as good as Lebron has faced in the Spurs and Warriors.
And Jordan never won a Finals where say both Scottie Pippin and Dennis Rodman or Horace Grant were out injured, did he?
I think he has...the Lakers were a pretty good team.
Jordan outshines LeBron in every imaginable way.
Michael Jordan was 6-0 in the NBA finals
Kobe Bryant is 5-2
Magic Johnson was 5-4
Larry Bird 3-2
...and at the bottom is LeBron at 2-4.
Not a finals record you would expect from a superstar.
Stuart said:
I think he has...the Lakers were a pretty good team.
Jordan outshines LeBron in every imaginable way. No he dosen't
Michael Jordan was 6-0 in the NBA finals
Kobe Bryant is 5-2
Magic Johnson was 5-4
Larry Bird 3-2
...and at the bottom is LeBron at 2-4.
Not a finals record you would expect from a superstar.
Not saying Jordan doesn't belong in the conversation as the greatest ever- but Le Bron has lost two of those finals backed up by essentially NOBODY. Let's look down the roster of the losing Cavs team this year. Delly- UFA STARTING against the league MVP. New York loved JR s so much- they forced the Cavs to take him off their hands if they wanted Shumpert. Subtracting Le Bron and JR's two garbage time 3s, the Cavs went 2-14 from downtown in game 6. I suppose that's all on Le Bron. A real recipe to win a game.
If all you want to do is count Rings- then you have to say by the same logic Joe Montana was the greatest quarterback of all time. Actually that honor belongs to Otto Graham, who played in the equivalent of 10 straight Super Bowls.
FWIW, LBJ has already passed Jordan in career assists, he'll pass him next year in rebounds, and I have no doubt he'll go by him in points. I did a little previous calculation- it's not out of the question Le Bron could wind up on the top of the scoring heap to boot- depending on how long he decides to play. In case you forgot already- LBJ just put up the highest points\rebounds\assists numbers EVER in a finals- against the #1 rated defensive team in the NBA. One thing for certain- he's not hanging 'em up until he wins a Championship in Cleveland.
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I won't waste my or your time by trying to determine whether LBJ is better than Michael, or not.
Both will go down among the greatest to ever play the game. That is good enough for me.
I will say one thing about LBJ, though. His Herculean effort to bring his team to victory reminds me of few similar instances - at the COLLEGE basketball level.
One can point to Danny Manning, Larry Bird, Kemba Walker and Shabazz Napier as players who put their respective teams on their shoulders and carried them to ultimate victory (Bird, of course, fell one game short).
However, they were playing against college kids - not professional basketball players. This fact, alone, will go down as one of the - if not THE - finest individual efforts in the history of the NBA. Among the greatest players in the world.
Maybe in all of sports, not just the NBA.
Remarkable performance in the face of adversity.
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Honestly, I don't think Jordan ever faced a team in the Finals as good as Lebron has faced in the Spurs and Warriors.
And Jordan never won a Finals where say both Scottie Pippin and Dennis Rodman or Horace Grant were out injured, did he?
I think he has...the Lakers were a pretty good team.
Jordan outshines LeBron in every imaginable way.
Michael Jordan was 6-0 in the NBA finals
Kobe Bryant is 5-2
Magic Johnson was 5-4
Larry Bird 3-2
...and at the bottom is LeBron at 2-4.
Not a finals record you would expect from a superstar.
Stuart said:
I think he has...the Lakers were a pretty good team.
They were without Kareem at that point....but still had Magic and Worthy.....arguable.
Jordan outshines LeBron in every imaginable way.
ONLY in ONE single way, actually.
Michael Jordan was 6-0 in the NBA finals
Kobe Bryant is 5-2
Magic Johnson was 5-4
Larry Bird 3-2
...and at the bottom is LeBron at 2-4.
Yea, with teams not nearly with the supporting cast as the Bulls teams had for Jordan...or that any of those other players had....in case you hadn't noticed both Pippin and Rodman are HOF players....at this point no one would say that Irving and Love are HOF (and LeBron didn't have Irving and Love)...and with far superior competition overall against him.
Not a finals record you would expect from a superstar.
Actually, certainly it is.......look at Wilt Chamberlain's record in Finals.....do you claim that he was not a Superstar?
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Stuart said:
I think he has...the Lakers were a pretty good team.
Jordan outshines LeBron in every imaginable way. No he dosen't
Michael Jordan was 6-0 in the NBA finals
Kobe Bryant is 5-2
Magic Johnson was 5-4
Larry Bird 3-2
...and at the bottom is LeBron at 2-4.
Not a finals record you would expect from a superstar.
Not saying Jordan doesn't belong in the conversation as the greatest ever- but Le Bron has lost two of those finals backed up by essentially NOBODY. Let's look down the roster of the losing Cavs team this year. Delly- UFA STARTING against the league MVP. New York loved JR s so much- they forced the Cavs to take him off their hands if they wanted Shumpert. Subtracting Le Bron and JR's two garbage time 3s, the Cavs went 2-14 from downtown in game 6. I suppose that's all on Le Bron. A real recipe to win a game.
If all you want to do is count Rings- then you have to say by the same logic Joe Montana was the greatest quarterback of all time. Actually that honor belongs to Otto Graham, who played in the equivalent of 10 straight Super Bowls.
FWIW, LBJ has already passed Jordan in career assists, he'll pass him next year in rebounds, and I have no doubt he'll go by him in points. I did a little previous calculation- it's not out of the question Le Bron could wind up on the top of the scoring heap to boot- depending on how long he decides to play. In case you forgot already- LBJ just put up the highest points\rebounds\assists numbers EVER in a finals- against the #1 rated defensive team in the NBA. One thing for certain- he's not hanging 'em up until he wins a Championship in Cleveland.
Not saying Jordan doesn't belong in the conversation as the greatest ever- but Le Bron has lost two of those finals backed up by essentially NOBODY. Let's look down the roster of the losing Cavs team this year. Delly- UFA STARTING against the league MVP. New York loved JR s so much- they forced the Cavs to take him off their hands if they wanted Shumpert. Subtracting Le Bron and JR's two garbage time 3s, the Cavs went 2-14 from downtown in game 6. I suppose that's all on Le Bron. A real recipe to win a game.
If all you want to do is count Rings- then you have to say by the same logic Joe Montana was the greatest quarterback of all time. Actually that honor belongs to Otto Graham, who played in the equivalent of 10 straight Super Bowls.
FWIW, LBJ has already passed Jordan in career assists, he'll pass him next year in rebounds, and I have no doubt he'll go by him in points. I did a little previous calculation- it's not out of the question Le Bron could wind up on the top of the scoring heap to boot- depending on how long he decides to play. In case you forgot already- LBJ just put up the highest points\rebounds\assists numbers EVER in a finals- against the #1 rated defensive team in the NBA. One thing for certain- he's not hanging 'em up until he wins a Championship in Cleveland.
If you just go by championships won then Jordan is only about half as good as Bill Russell, Bob Cousy, KC Jones, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Tom Heinshon, Satch Sanders, Robert Horry.
Kareem and Scottie Pippin have just as many titles. I think that without Pippin there next to him, Jordan's record in the Finals is about the same as LeBron's.
Even before LeBron ever stepped onto the stage, in my personal rankings of the best player ever I had him only 4th or 5th.
I had Russell, Magic, Wilt, and Kareem over him.
Right here, today, with everyone of those players in their prime, I would choose those 4 over Jordan...and probably LeBron as well.
So at best I have Jordan #5 best overall.....and probably #6 with LBJ.
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Not saying Jordan doesn't belong in the conversation as the greatest ever- but Le Bron has lost two of those finals backed up by essentially NOBODY. Let's look down the roster of the losing Cavs team this year. Delly- UFA STARTING against the league MVP. New York loved JR s so much- they forced the Cavs to take him off their hands if they wanted Shumpert. Subtracting Le Bron and JR's two garbage time 3s, the Cavs went 2-14 from downtown in game 6. I suppose that's all on Le Bron. A real recipe to win a game.
If all you want to do is count Rings- then you have to say by the same logic Joe Montana was the greatest quarterback of all time. Actually that honor belongs to Otto Graham, who played in the equivalent of 10 straight Super Bowls.
FWIW, LBJ has already passed Jordan in career assists, he'll pass him next year in rebounds, and I have no doubt he'll go by him in points. I did a little previous calculation- it's not out of the question Le Bron could wind up on the top of the scoring heap to boot- depending on how long he decides to play. In case you forgot already- LBJ just put up the highest points\rebounds\assists numbers EVER in a finals- against the #1 rated defensive team in the NBA. One thing for certain- he's not hanging 'em up until he wins a Championship in Cleveland.
If you just go by championships won then Jordan is only about half as good as Bill Russell, Bob Cousy, KC Jones, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Tom Heinshon, Satch Sanders, Robert Horry.
Kareem and Scottie Pippin have just as many titles. I think that without Pippin there next to him, Jordan's record in the Finals is about the same as LeBron's.
Even before LeBron ever stepped onto the stage, in my personal rankings of the best player ever I had him only 4th or 5th.
I had Russell, Magic, Wilt, and Kareem over him.
Right here, today, with everyone of those players in their prime, I would choose those 4 over Jordan...and probably LeBron as well.
So at best I have Jordan #5 best overall.....and probably #6 with LBJ.
If you just go by championships won then Jordan is only about half as good as Bill Russell, Bob Cousy, KC Jones, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Tom Heinshon, Satch Sanders, Robert Horry.
Kareem and Scottie Pippin have just as many titles. I think that without Pippin there next to him, Jordan's record in the Finals is about the same as LeBron's.
Even before LeBron ever stepped onto the stage, in my personal rankings of the best player ever I had him only 4th or 5th.
I had Russell, Magic, Wilt, and Kareem over him.
Right here, today, with everyone of those players in their prime, I would choose those 4 over Jordan...and probably LeBron as well.
So at best I have Jordan #5 best overall.....and probably #6 with LBJ.
Let's hope we can keep everybody healthy next year. I think if Love and Irving had been able to play in the Finals- we beat Golden State this year. Heck, we almost pulled out game one minus Love.
So JR wants to try FA- he's going to find out he's not as valuable as he thinks he is. If you want $$$ over a Championship- adios. The Guy is too streaky. To win it all in 2016 the Cavs need to replace the geriatric bench (Miller, Marion & Perkins) with better players. James Jones has shown in limited finals minutes he's not yet a total stiff. I have to wonder if Shumpert's bum shoulder affected his shooting against GS. What the Cavs REALLY need is a tall #2 that can score consistently, and play defense. Easier said than done. But with assistant GM Le Bron now in a "come on down and win a championship with me" mode- something he wasn't in his first go around- anything is possible. Need I add keeping rebounding machine Thompson on the roster is imperative.
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If you just go by championships won then Jordan is only about half as good as Bill Russell, Bob Cousy, KC Jones, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Tom Heinshon, Satch Sanders, Robert Horry.
Kareem and Scottie Pippin have just as many titles. I think that without Pippin there next to him, Jordan's record in the Finals is about the same as LeBron's.
Even before LeBron ever stepped onto the stage, in my personal rankings of the best player ever I had him only 4th or 5th.
I had Russell, Magic, Wilt, and Kareem over him.
Right here, today, with everyone of those players in their prime, I would choose those 4 over Jordan...and probably LeBron as well.
So at best I have Jordan #5 best overall.....and probably #6 with LBJ.
Let's hope we can keep everybody healthy next year. I think if Love and Irving had been able to play in the Finals- we beat Golden State this year. Heck, we almost pulled out game one minus Love.
So JR wants to try FA- he's going to find out he's not as valuable as he thinks he is. If you want $$$ over a Championship- adios. The Guy is too streaky. To win it all in 2016 the Cavs need to replace the geriatric bench (Miller, Marion & Perkins) with better players. James Jones has shown in limited finals minutes he's not yet a total stiff. I have to wonder if Shumpert's bum shoulder affected his shooting against GS. What the Cavs REALLY need is a tall #2 that can score consistently, and play defense. Easier said than done. But with assistant GM Le Bron now in a "come on down and win a championship with me" mode- something he wasn't in his first go around- anything is possible. Need I add keeping rebounding machine Thompson on the roster is imperative.
Let's hope we can keep everybody healthy next year. I think if Love and Irving had been able to play in the Finals- we beat Golden State this year. Heck, we almost pulled out game one minus Love.
So JR wants to try FA- he's going to find out he's not as valuable as he thinks he is. If you want $$$ over a Championship- adios. The Guy is too streaky. To win it all in 2016 the Cavs need to replace the geriatric bench (Miller, Marion & Perkins) with better players. James Jones has shown in limited finals minutes he's not yet a total stiff. I have to wonder if Shumpert's bum shoulder affected his shooting against GS. What the Cavs REALLY need is a tall #2 that can score consistently, and play defense. Easier said than done. But with assistant GM Le Bron now in a "come on down and win a championship with me" mode- something he wasn't in his first go around- anything is possible. Need I add keeping rebounding machine Thompson on the roster is imperative.
To get that #2 the question is: who is available, and would the Cavs have the cap room to sign him.
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