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Here ya go - the Pope wants mmgw to fix the global economy and help the poor

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  • OldBrownsFan OldBrownsFanO
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    OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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    The early church did have a form of wealth redistribution and communism. The churches that had enough to share did so with other churches who did not have enough. That system could work in the early church but it does not work in the world. Not in a world of selfish people. Communism has been a horrible failure wherever it has been tried. In Russia it made a few million the rulers over hundreds of millions. Capitalism has proved to produce the highest standard of living.

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      The early church did have a form of wealth redistribution and communism. The churches that had enough to share did so with other churches who did not have enough. That system could work in the early church but it does not work in the world. Not in a world of selfish people. Communism has been a horrible failure wherever it has been tried. In Russia it made a few million the rulers over hundreds of millions. Capitalism has proved to produce the highest standard of living.

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      C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by Clevfan4life
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      @oldbrownsfan said:

      . Capitalism has proved to produce the highest standard of living.

      it's also proven to be the most destructive and unsustainable. A combination of both is necessary to rationally run a society. There are some things the free market will always do better and others where some collectivist action is more appropriate. Our current food situation is a perfect example of how unfettered capitalism runs our most precious resource into the ground. Same with water. Gross mismanagement of water is what's currently turning California into a desert.

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        Of course by that same token if the poor were Christian as well they would be satisfied with enough to eat and not angry because they weren't given cable television cell phones automobiles etc etc etc the peace of the Lord would be all they really need right?

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        Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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        @westside-steve said:

        Of course by that same token if the poor were Christian as well they would be satisfied with enough to eat and not angry because they weren't given cable television cell phones automobiles etc etc etc the peace of the Lord would be all they really need right?

        WSS

        I make deliveries over on the eastside of Cleveland and, some of the Churches have free cell phone stands in the parking lot

        "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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          T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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          If I want one guy just one guy to be a liberal it's the pope. Because honestly the church needs some social liberalism.

          Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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            Opal312O Opal312 wrote on last edited by
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            This Pope isn't a scientist or even a politician! He's a fraud!

            DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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              This Pope isn't a scientist or even a politician! He's a fraud!

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              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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              @opal312 said:

              This Pope isn't a scientist or even a politician! He's a fraud!

              Is he one of the Illuminati lizard men?

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                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                They hypocrisy of elite liberals (especially the Hollywood ones) is one of the things that bother me in this debate. The Barbara Streisand's of the world want everyone else (the little people) to ditch their air conditioners and do without while she has an air conditioned barn with all her Hollywood memorabilia as well as a huge air conditioned mansion that she keeps nice and cool. She wants the rest of us to use clotheslines to dry our clothes but I doubt if there are any clotheslines to be found on her property. These elites fly around in their private jets and drive in their limos and tell everyone else how to live.

                Another thing that makes no sense is if we ditch our coal industry and raise energy prices on people here in this country how is that affecting anything as long as China and India are constantly building more coal powered plants? This would have to be done world wide to make a difference otherwise we are putting burdens on the people in this country and possibly wrecking our own economy for no good reason.

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                  gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                  Meanwhile, China and India will be saying 'if the US, with all its money, aren't finding a way to make this economically viable, why should we even bother looking?' and there'll be a lovely standoff where neither side moves and the rest of the world suffers.

                  Bear in mind also, America is the second highest emitter of carbon behind china (with India third), but streets ahead of them in terms of carbon per capita. Of the more highly populated countries - excluding netherlands antilles, qatar and the like - Americans and Australians have the highest carbon footprint, about five times higher than China, and ten times higher than India.

                  So yes, it's important for those emerging super-powers to find alternative ways of powering their economy, let's not forget that we all have a responsibility here.

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                    They hypocrisy of elite liberals (especially the Hollywood ones) is one of the things that bother me in this debate. The Barbara Streisand's of the world want everyone else (the little people) to ditch their air conditioners and do without while she has an air conditioned barn with all her Hollywood memorabilia as well as a huge air conditioned mansion that she keeps nice and cool. She wants the rest of us to use clotheslines to dry our clothes but I doubt if there are any clotheslines to be found on her property. These elites fly around in their private jets and drive in their limos and tell everyone else how to live.

                    Another thing that makes no sense is if we ditch our coal industry and raise energy prices on people here in this country how is that affecting anything as long as China and India are constantly building more coal powered plants? This would have to be done world wide to make a difference otherwise we are putting burdens on the people in this country and possibly wrecking our own economy for no good reason.

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                    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                    @oldbrownsfan said:

                    Another thing that makes no sense is if we ditch our coal industry and raise energy prices on people here in this country how is that affecting anything as long as China and India are constantly building more coal powered plants? This would have to be done world wide to make a difference otherwise we are putting burdens on the people in this country and possibly wrecking our own economy for no good reason.

                    I know that Obama is being made out to be the bad guy on coal but what is killing coal in this country is the price of natural gas and the fact that the coal is running out. In WV alone, my office knows for a fact that we have five years left at the most of quality coal. That is only with production cut down. There is much more coal but it is very low quality and would not be worth the effort to mine. Other states are facing the same issues but are not being vocal about it.

                    As it stands, many of the coal companies are now moving towards natural gas to make more money but blaming it on the EPA. I just got done assisting a large energy company with setting up gas pads near Belmont, OH. This same company used to be primarily coal focused. They see the writing on the wall but don't want to be the bad guy so they blame regulations. Gas pads are cost intensive in the beginning but can be ran on far less labor after setup. You don't have to pay people to saw off a mountain top or keep burrowing into the ground. Once tapped, it is a self sustaining operation.

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                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                      Nuclear Power

                      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                      • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                        Nuclear Power

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                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                        @mld-woody said:

                        Nuclear Power

                        No thanks. Solar & hydroelectric.

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                          @mld-woody said:

                          Nuclear Power

                          No thanks. Solar & hydroelectric.

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                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                          @gftchris said:

                          No thanks. Solar & hydroelectric.

                          Too large of a footprint. Not enough energy produced.

                          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                            @gftchris said:

                            No thanks. Solar & hydroelectric.

                            Too large of a footprint. Not enough energy produced.

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                            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                            @mld-woody said:

                            Too large of a footprint. Not enough energy produced.

                            Safer, no waste material that as yet can't really be dealt with safely.

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                              C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                              solar should be used to extract hydrogen from water. There was fascinating research done in the 80's on lowering the input requirements for electrolysis by frequency variation.....basically being able to use less amps to draw the same amt of hydrogen out of water. Some shady stuff surrounding the research, dude who was pioneering it died mysteriously and his machinery disappeared from his facility.

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                                @mld-woody said:

                                Too large of a footprint. Not enough energy produced.

                                Safer, no waste material that as yet can't really be dealt with safely.

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                                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                @gftchris said:

                                Safer, no waste material that as yet can't really be dealt with safely.

                                Yet*. I'm all for putting money into continued research of waste reclaim and fusion. I just think nuclear provides the best long term power solution. It has the most meat to it. And as long as you don't build them on a fault line on the coast...they're pretty safe.

                                This isn't to say solar and other green sources should be ignored. I think, for now, they can be very good supplemental sources of energy. Though solar roads everywhere may take care of it.

                                Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                  gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                  I'm led to believe the science behind solar freaking roadways is iffy, and it's not cost effective. But if there were a legitimate alternative I'd be all for it.

                                  I did add yet - if there's a way to make use of the leftovers then great, but it's not happening any time soon, and we need to be realistic about things. Long term, maybe, but there are viable alternative available now with little-to-no waste products.

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                                    @gftchris said:

                                    Safer, no waste material that as yet can't really be dealt with safely.

                                    Yet*. I'm all for putting money into continued research of waste reclaim and fusion. I just think nuclear provides the best long term power solution. It has the most meat to it. And as long as you don't build them on a fault line on the coast...they're pretty safe.

                                    This isn't to say solar and other green sources should be ignored. I think, for now, they can be very good supplemental sources of energy. Though solar roads everywhere may take care of it.

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                                    B blowe wrote on last edited by
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                                    @mld-woody said:

                                    Yet*. I'm all for putting money into continued research of waste reclaim and fusion. I just think nuclear provides the best long term power solution. It has the most meat to it. And as long as you don't build them on a fault line on the coast...they're pretty safe.

                                    This isn't to say solar and other green sources should be ignored. I think, for now, they can be very good supplemental sources of energy. Though solar roads everywhere may take care of it.

                                    Do a bit of research on solar roads and you will see they are not economically viable. Also, can they be banked? Do they generate as much frictional force as asphalt which was created for friction and ease of repair? Ease and price of repair? Etc etc..

                                    I did a report for a class of mine that shows that while there are uses for them they are not viable as of today.

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                                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                      But they're solar freakin roadways, lol.

                                      In a perfect world, they'd be great though. Not saying they're viable now. Why I am saying nuclear.

                                      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                        Which equally isn't completely viable now. It's also not going to get loads of public support after chernobyl/fukushima. Solar, on the other hand, is providing a nice 7% return for local community investors 😁

                                        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32249236

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                                          I agree with Chris. Nuclear power waste is a gigantic problem.

                                          It causes global warming, and we can't have that.

                                          And the safety isn't guaranteed, and what happens with accumulated waste

                                          buried deep underground? Let's not poison our entire planet over time.

                                          http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/ops-experience/tritium/sites-grndwtr-contam.html

                                          http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/groundwater-contamination-is-the-latest-bad-news-from-fukushima

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