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  • They hypocrisy of elite liberals (especially the Hollywood ones) is one of the things that bother me in this debate. The Barbara Streisand's of the world want everyone else (the little people) to ditch their air conditioners and do without while she has an air conditioned barn with all her Hollywood memorabilia as well as a huge air conditioned mansion that she keeps nice and cool. She wants the rest of us to use clotheslines to dry our clothes but I doubt if there are any clotheslines to be found on her property. These elites fly around in their private jets and drive in their limos and tell everyone else how to live.

    Another thing that makes no sense is if we ditch our coal industry and raise energy prices on people here in this country how is that affecting anything as long as China and India are constantly building more coal powered plants? This would have to be done world wide to make a difference otherwise we are putting burdens on the people in this country and possibly wrecking our own economy for no good reason.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Another thing that makes no sense is if we ditch our coal industry and raise energy prices on people here in this country how is that affecting anything as long as China and India are constantly building more coal powered plants? This would have to be done world wide to make a difference otherwise we are putting burdens on the people in this country and possibly wrecking our own economy for no good reason.

    I know that Obama is being made out to be the bad guy on coal but what is killing coal in this country is the price of natural gas and the fact that the coal is running out. In WV alone, my office knows for a fact that we have five years left at the most of quality coal. That is only with production cut down. There is much more coal but it is very low quality and would not be worth the effort to mine. Other states are facing the same issues but are not being vocal about it.

    As it stands, many of the coal companies are now moving towards natural gas to make more money but blaming it on the EPA. I just got done assisting a large energy company with setting up gas pads near Belmont, OH. This same company used to be primarily coal focused. They see the writing on the wall but don't want to be the bad guy so they blame regulations. Gas pads are cost intensive in the beginning but can be ran on far less labor after setup. You don't have to pay people to saw off a mountain top or keep burrowing into the ground. Once tapped, it is a self sustaining operation.

  • Nuclear Power

  • Nuclear Power

    @mld-woody said:

    Nuclear Power

    No thanks. Solar & hydroelectric.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Nuclear Power

    No thanks. Solar & hydroelectric.

    @gftchris said:

    No thanks. Solar & hydroelectric.

    Too large of a footprint. Not enough energy produced.

  • @gftchris said:

    No thanks. Solar & hydroelectric.

    Too large of a footprint. Not enough energy produced.

    @mld-woody said:

    Too large of a footprint. Not enough energy produced.

    Safer, no waste material that as yet can't really be dealt with safely.

  • solar should be used to extract hydrogen from water. There was fascinating research done in the 80's on lowering the input requirements for electrolysis by frequency variation.....basically being able to use less amps to draw the same amt of hydrogen out of water. Some shady stuff surrounding the research, dude who was pioneering it died mysteriously and his machinery disappeared from his facility.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Too large of a footprint. Not enough energy produced.

    Safer, no waste material that as yet can't really be dealt with safely.

    @gftchris said:

    Safer, no waste material that as yet can't really be dealt with safely.

    Yet*. I'm all for putting money into continued research of waste reclaim and fusion. I just think nuclear provides the best long term power solution. It has the most meat to it. And as long as you don't build them on a fault line on the coast...they're pretty safe.

    This isn't to say solar and other green sources should be ignored. I think, for now, they can be very good supplemental sources of energy. Though solar roads everywhere may take care of it.

  • I'm led to believe the science behind solar freaking roadways is iffy, and it's not cost effective. But if there were a legitimate alternative I'd be all for it.

    I did add yet - if there's a way to make use of the leftovers then great, but it's not happening any time soon, and we need to be realistic about things. Long term, maybe, but there are viable alternative available now with little-to-no waste products.

  • @gftchris said:

    Safer, no waste material that as yet can't really be dealt with safely.

    Yet*. I'm all for putting money into continued research of waste reclaim and fusion. I just think nuclear provides the best long term power solution. It has the most meat to it. And as long as you don't build them on a fault line on the coast...they're pretty safe.

    This isn't to say solar and other green sources should be ignored. I think, for now, they can be very good supplemental sources of energy. Though solar roads everywhere may take care of it.

    @mld-woody said:

    Yet*. I'm all for putting money into continued research of waste reclaim and fusion. I just think nuclear provides the best long term power solution. It has the most meat to it. And as long as you don't build them on a fault line on the coast...they're pretty safe.

    This isn't to say solar and other green sources should be ignored. I think, for now, they can be very good supplemental sources of energy. Though solar roads everywhere may take care of it.

    Do a bit of research on solar roads and you will see they are not economically viable. Also, can they be banked? Do they generate as much frictional force as asphalt which was created for friction and ease of repair? Ease and price of repair? Etc etc..

    I did a report for a class of mine that shows that while there are uses for them they are not viable as of today.

  • But they're solar freakin roadways, lol.

    In a perfect world, they'd be great though. Not saying they're viable now. Why I am saying nuclear.

  • Which equally isn't completely viable now. It's also not going to get loads of public support after chernobyl/fukushima. Solar, on the other hand, is providing a nice 7% return for local community investors 😁

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32249236

  • I agree with Chris. Nuclear power waste is a gigantic problem.

    It causes global warming, and we can't have that.

    And the safety isn't guaranteed, and what happens with accumulated waste

    buried deep underground? Let's not poison our entire planet over time.

    http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/ops-experience/tritium/sites-grndwtr-contam.html

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/groundwater-contamination-is-the-latest-bad-news-from-fukushima

  • I agree with Chris. Nuclear power waste is a gigantic problem.

    It causes global warming, and we can't have that.

    And the safety isn't guaranteed, and what happens with accumulated waste

    buried deep underground? Let's not poison our entire planet over time.

    http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/ops-experience/tritium/sites-grndwtr-contam.html

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/groundwater-contamination-is-the-latest-bad-news-from-fukushima

    @calfoxwc said:

    Let's not poison our entire planet over time.

    That's a sentiment that can be applied to many many many free market endeavors.

  • Which equally isn't completely viable now. It's also not going to get loads of public support after chernobyl/fukushima. Solar, on the other hand, is providing a nice 7% return for local community investors 😁

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32249236

    @gftchris said:

    Which equally isn't completely viable now. It's also not going to get loads of public support after chernobyl/fukushima. Solar, on the other hand, is providing a nice 7% return for local community investors 😁

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32249236

    Did you see some of the public opinion polls I've posted? I'm talking in a perfect world here. I don't want to public's misconceptions influencing scientific issues.

    France is doing a pretty good job with Nuclear power, right?

  • @gftchris said:

    Which equally isn't completely viable now. It's also not going to get loads of public support after chernobyl/fukushima. Solar, on the other hand, is providing a nice 7% return for local community investors 😁

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32249236

    Did you see some of the public opinion polls I've posted? I'm talking in a perfect world here. I don't want to public's misconceptions influencing scientific issues.

    France is doing a pretty good job with Nuclear power, right?

    @mld-woody said:

    Did you see some of the public opinion polls I've posted? I'm talking in a perfect world here. I don't want to public's misconceptions influencing scientific issues.

    France is doing a pretty good job with Nuclear power, right?

    It's doing ok, and they, along with china, are investing in nuclear power in the UK.

    While in an ideal world we shouldn't be swayed by public opinion on these matter, we need to be realistic about what is achievable. If you get $1bn for nuclear funding, or $5bn for solar funding, it would be irresponsible to go with the former if the latter can produce better returns.

  • I agree with Chris. Nuclear power waste is a gigantic problem.

    It causes global warming, and we can't have that.

    And the safety isn't guaranteed, and what happens with accumulated waste

    buried deep underground? Let's not poison our entire planet over time.

    http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/ops-experience/tritium/sites-grndwtr-contam.html

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/groundwater-contamination-is-the-latest-bad-news-from-fukushima

    @calfoxwc said:

    I agree with Chris. Nuclear power waste is a gigantic problem.

    It causes global warming, and we can't have that.

    And the safety isn't guaranteed, and what happens with accumulated waste

    buried deep underground? Let's not poison our entire planet over time.

    http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/ops-experience/tritium/sites-grndwtr-contam.html

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/groundwater-contamination-is-the-latest-bad-news-from-fukushima

    Pack it in rockets and send it to Mars

  • No, in a few million years, mankind will have left earth and

    moved there. Send it into the sun so it will keep burnin....

  • I don't want to think of the ramifications of screwing with the sun. Send it out into deep space.

  • Deep space? Which brings to mind a question - if we sent it into deep space,

    and it never hits any other planet or object... might it just swing around and come

    right back at us ?

    Or, might it hit a civilized planet in another solar system, and they get all liberally po'd,

    and flying saucer fly here, invade our planet, and try to wipe our all life on our planet

    with their little pink hankies?

    I'm working too hard. I still have about 42 trees, at least, to cut up for firewood,

    fence to put up around the giant garden, and went to the farmer's market, came home

    just in time to get in the house before the dark clouds let loose with tons of rain and high

    winds, about 60 mph. Then, my Wifie looks out the window and says - uhoh, our green house

    is open. So, I go out there, shut one door, close and block the vent, and when I try to shut

    the other door, a giant gust of wind and rain throws the door back open and I go blackwards.

    Then, I finally got the second door shut and latched, and I was completely soaked halfway

    to the greenhouse in the first place, and went to go back to our house, and it hailed.

    60 mph rain, and hail and wind, and braches being broken off of trees, and leaves.

    The neighbors' trampoline was thrown vertical and against their deck, and was bent and

    twisted.

    And, after I did get back to the house, we got a cell phone call - it was about the tornado warning.

    Yep. Missed us by less than a mile.

  • Deep space? Which brings to mind a question - if we sent it into deep space,

    and it never hits any other planet or object... might it just swing around and come

    right back at us ?

    Or, might it hit a civilized planet in another solar system, and they get all liberally po'd,

    and flying saucer fly here, invade our planet, and try to wipe our all life on our planet

    with their little pink hankies?

    I'm working too hard. I still have about 42 trees, at least, to cut up for firewood,

    fence to put up around the giant garden, and went to the farmer's market, came home

    just in time to get in the house before the dark clouds let loose with tons of rain and high

    winds, about 60 mph. Then, my Wifie looks out the window and says - uhoh, our green house

    is open. So, I go out there, shut one door, close and block the vent, and when I try to shut

    the other door, a giant gust of wind and rain throws the door back open and I go blackwards.

    Then, I finally got the second door shut and latched, and I was completely soaked halfway

    to the greenhouse in the first place, and went to go back to our house, and it hailed.

    60 mph rain, and hail and wind, and braches being broken off of trees, and leaves.

    The neighbors' trampoline was thrown vertical and against their deck, and was bent and

    twisted.

    And, after I did get back to the house, we got a cell phone call - it was about the tornado warning.

    Yep. Missed us by less than a mile.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Deep space? Which brings to mind a question - if we sent it into deep space,

    and it never hits any other planet or object... might it just swing around and come

    right back at us ?

    The key word there Einstein was "deep".