Terrelle Pryor Claimed By Browns
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Could he make the roster as a receiver and the Browns only keep two QBs thus saving us a roster spot with pryor as emergency QB? Absolutely.
If we had sugned him as a QB would he beat out Thad Lewis in a straight competition for third QB? Probably not.
I think the Browns are anxious to see what he can bring to the table as a receiver the thought of saving a roster spot as a major bonus.
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Zombo said:
Could he make the roster as a receiver and the Browns only keep two QBs thus saving us a roster spot with pryor as emergency QB? Absolutely.
If we had sugned him as a QB would he beat out Thad Lewis in a straight competition for third QB? Probably not.
I think the Browns are anxious to see what he can bring to the table as a receiver the thought of saving a roster spot as a major bonus.
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Possible....perhaps even most likely scenario: McCown starts, JMZ backs up, Shaw on PS. Pryor is WR/emergency only QB.....or as I advocate: Extra point specialist.
They probably won't do that with him....but they should.
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Man, Pryor is just one of those dudes who doesn't even look like he's running fast but just blows by people. I don't think he's going to put it all together but it would be quite interesting if he did.
If track speed was all that mattered- Reynaldo Nehemiah would be in the HOF. (for those that don't remember, he won an Olympic Gold in hurdles before he gave football a shot) I think he ran a 4.1 or something like that. Can you catch the ball, and run an accurate route? We'll see. No risk as others have said, picking him up at vet minimum.
If track speed was all that mattered- Reynaldo Nehemiah would be in the HOF. (for those that don't remember, he won an Olympic Gold in hurdles before he gave football a shot) I think he ran a 4.1 or something like that. Can you catch the ball, and run an accurate route? We'll see. No risk as others have said, picking him up at vet minimum.
For sure-I'm just always amazed at those guys who don't even look like they are trying but just run by everyone, almost like he's gliding out there.
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If track speed was all that mattered- Reynaldo Nehemiah would be in the HOF. (for those that don't remember, he won an Olympic Gold in hurdles before he gave football a shot) I think he ran a 4.1 or something like that. Can you catch the ball, and run an accurate route? We'll see. No risk as others have said, picking him up at vet minimum.
For sure-I'm just always amazed at those guys who don't even look like they are trying but just run by everyone, almost like he's gliding out there.
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Practice squad eligibility (From SB Nation)
"What makes a player eligible?Generally, teams like to keep young players on the practice squad so they can develop without taking up spots on the active roster. Undrafted rookie free-agents are popular along with late-round draft picks. A player can be eligible if he does not have an accrued season in the NFL, although the NFL has now approved a maximum of two spots on the PS for players with no more than two accrued seasons. To have an accrued season, you have to be active for at least six regular-season games. A player can also go to the practice squad with an accrued season provided they were on the 45-man active roster for less than nine-regular season games.
In addition, a player is allowed on the practice squad for two years. If a player is on the practice squad for six weeks, up from three weeks per the previous agreement, in a season, it is considered a year of PS sevice. Players are only allowed to be on a practice squad for a third year if their team keeps 53 players on the active-inactive list at all times."Clear as mud now?
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Bengals aren't happy with him right now
Someone asked what Johnny brings to the table that Pryor doesn't ... well, I would start with smarts. I think JM is potentially a better NFL passer as well.
Zombo
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Just don't see it. Game active 5-6 WR's= Bowe, Hawk, Hartline and Gabe locks with non-injuries. Push Mayle to PS??(our rookies protected?), Leaves Benji, M. Moore, Wynn (PS?), Smith and Lenz and 2 hopes Jennings and Cone and than Pryor who has never ran a NFL Route if WR is it? I like Bowe, Hawk, Hart, Gabe, Mayle or Benji 5th Active.
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Bengals aren't happy with him right now
Someone asked what Johnny brings to the table that Pryor doesn't ... well, I would start with smarts. I think JM is potentially a better NFL passer as well.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Bengals aren't happy with him right now
Someone asked what Johnny brings to the table that Pryor doesn't ... well, I would start with smarts. I think JM is potentially a better NFL passer as well.
Zombo
Didn't basically everyone just run Manziel through the wringer for being "stupid"? It's certainly different to see someone here say the words "Manziel" and "smarts" in the same sentence...even if it isn't true.
I wouldn't consider posting short video clips of OTA drills to be stupid, I'd consider it to be a lapse in judgment and an overreaction by whatever "team source" was quoted in the article (read: an equipment manager).
I don't think there is evidence of either of those that you claim. Pryor's NFL stats are bad, but Manziel's are worse. Pryor's off-field choice to tweet those videos was stupid, but Manziel has made monumentally worse decisions in his one year in the NFL (and then a much, much smarter decision to enter rehab). Manziel hasn't exhibited anything that makes me think he's any better of an NFL QB prospect than Pryor.
Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
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Just don't see it. Game active 5-6 WR's= Bowe, Hawk, Hartline and Gabe locks with non-injuries. Push Mayle to PS??(our rookies protected?), Leaves Benji, M. Moore, Wynn (PS?), Smith and Lenz and 2 hopes Jennings and Cone and than Pryor who has never ran a NFL Route if WR is it? I like Bowe, Hawk, Hart, Gabe, Mayle or Benji 5th Active.
Just don't see it. Game active 5-6 WR's= Bowe, Hawk, Hartline and Gabe locks with non-injuries. Push Mayle to PS??(our rookies protected?), Leaves Benji, M. Moore, Wynn (PS?), Smith and Lenz and 2 hopes Jennings and Cone and than Pryor who has never ran a NFL Route if WR is it? I like Bowe, Hawk, Hart, Gabe, Mayle or Benji 5th Active.
Benji and Moore should definitely be gone. Jennings and Cone to PS, maybe?
WR- Bowe, Hartline, Mayle, Hawkins, Gabriel, Pryor
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
Pryor is the only one of any of those guys who could conceivably be effective at both WR and TE. That's why I see him staying. Plus the benefit of being an emergency QB as well as a 2 pt. conversion package player.
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Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
Waterboy?
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Just don't see it. Game active 5-6 WR's= Bowe, Hawk, Hartline and Gabe locks with non-injuries. Push Mayle to PS??(our rookies protected?), Leaves Benji, M. Moore, Wynn (PS?), Smith and Lenz and 2 hopes Jennings and Cone and than Pryor who has never ran a NFL Route if WR is it? I like Bowe, Hawk, Hart, Gabe, Mayle or Benji 5th Active.
Benji and Moore should definitely be gone. Jennings and Cone to PS, maybe?
WR- Bowe, Hartline, Mayle, Hawkins, Gabriel, Pryor
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
Pryor is the only one of any of those guys who could conceivably be effective at both WR and TE. That's why I see him staying. Plus the benefit of being an emergency QB as well as a 2 pt. conversion package player.
Benji and Moore should definitely be gone. Jennings and Cone to PS, maybe?
WR- Bowe, Hartline, Mayle, Hawkins, Gabriel, Pryor
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
Pryor is the only one of any of those guys who could conceivably be effective at both WR and TE. That's why I see him staying. Plus the benefit of being an emergency QB as well as a 2 pt. conversion package player.
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Zombo said:
Bengals aren't happy with him right now
Someone asked what Johnny brings to the table that Pryor doesn't ... well, I would start with smarts. I think JM is potentially a better NFL passer as well.
Zombo
Didn't basically everyone just run Manziel through the wringer for being "stupid"? It's certainly different to see someone here say the words "Manziel" and "smarts" in the same sentence...even if it isn't true.
I wouldn't consider posting short video clips of OTA drills to be stupid, I'd consider it to be a lapse in judgment and an overreaction by whatever "team source" was quoted in the article (read: an equipment manager).
I don't think there is evidence of either of those that you claim. Pryor's NFL stats are bad, but Manziel's are worse. Pryor's off-field choice to tweet those videos was stupid, but Manziel has made monumentally worse decisions in his one year in the NFL (and then a much, much smarter decision to enter rehab). Manziel hasn't exhibited anything that makes me think he's any better of an NFL QB prospect than Pryor.
Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
Didn't basically everyone just run Manziel through the wringer for being "stupid"? It's certainly different to see someone here say the words "Manziel" and "smarts" in the same sentence...even if it isn't true.
I wouldn't consider posting short video clips of OTA drills to be stupid, I'd consider it to be a lapse in judgment and an overreaction by whatever "team source" was quoted in the article (read: an equipment manager).
I don't think there is evidence of either of those that you claim. Pryor's NFL stats are bad, but Manziel's are worse. Pryor's off-field choice to tweet those videos was stupid, but Manziel has made monumentally worse decisions in his one year in the NFL (and then a much, much smarter decision to enter rehab). Manziel hasn't exhibited anything that makes me think he's any better of an NFL QB prospect than Pryor.
Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
You don't think Manziel is a sharp guy? I do.
You don't think Pryor is not so smart? I do.
You can tell just by listening to them talk. Manziel has done a lot of things that 21 year guys with addiction problems tend to do, but I don't know anybody accusing him of being dumb, the guy seems pretty quick and articulate actually.
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
If I'm looking at them both as prospects out of college, I'd say Manziel is more cerebral and a better passer in general, which probably accounts for where they were drafted.
Zombo
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Didn't basically everyone just run Manziel through the wringer for being "stupid"? It's certainly different to see someone here say the words "Manziel" and "smarts" in the same sentence...even if it isn't true.
I wouldn't consider posting short video clips of OTA drills to be stupid, I'd consider it to be a lapse in judgment and an overreaction by whatever "team source" was quoted in the article (read: an equipment manager).
I don't think there is evidence of either of those that you claim. Pryor's NFL stats are bad, but Manziel's are worse. Pryor's off-field choice to tweet those videos was stupid, but Manziel has made monumentally worse decisions in his one year in the NFL (and then a much, much smarter decision to enter rehab). Manziel hasn't exhibited anything that makes me think he's any better of an NFL QB prospect than Pryor.
Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
You don't think Manziel is a sharp guy? I do.
You don't think Pryor is not so smart? I do.
You can tell just by listening to them talk. Manziel has done a lot of things that 21 year guys with addiction problems tend to do, but I don't know anybody accusing him of being dumb, the guy seems pretty quick and articulate actually.
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
If I'm looking at them both as prospects out of college, I'd say Manziel is more cerebral and a better passer in general, which probably accounts for where they were drafted.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You don't think Manziel is a sharp guy? I do.
You don't think Pryor is not so smart? I do.
You can tell just by listening to them talk. Manziel has done a lot of things that 21 year guys with addiction problems tend to do, but I don't know anybody accusing him of being dumb, the guy seems pretty quick and articulate actually.
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
If I'm looking at them both as prospects out of college, I'd say Manziel is more cerebral and a better passer in general, which probably accounts for where they were drafted.
Zombo
Wonderlic is a decent measure of knowledge, not so much mental acuity. Unfortunately, mental acuity, not knowledge, is much, much more important to an NFL QB.
For the record, Pryor took the test the next day and scored a 22. I have a feeling his 7 was more along the lines of "why the fuck should I have to do this?" than "I'm too dumb to understand".
I think Manziel is quite sharp, actually. He's eloquent enough to stand in front of cameras and dig himself out of the holes he's dug himself and make me still like him...that's saying something.
I don't think Pryor sounds any dumber than Ryan Mallet, or Brett Favre, or Rob Gronkowski, or any number of players from the South who don't speak eloquently. I think he's just not eloquent...that doesn't make him stupid.
I could find about 5 examples or posters calling Manziel stupid within the last 6 months or so. I know that because I already did the search. The point is, knowledge is relative and hard to infer from press conferences and language. Nor does it equate NFL success. Sharpness, concentration, flexibility - those are much more influential in a player's growth.
As for their draft position, Pryor would have likely been a second round pick had he not been suspended and declared for the normal draft; once QB's start rolling off the board teams get all antsy in their pantsy and take guys where they shouldn't go (see: Weeden, Brandon). Not as high as Manziel, but not nearly a giant differential in placement.
All things equal, I'd probably rate Manziel higher than Pryor based solely off of their college production, but Pryor is certainly right behind him based off of measurables, potential and athletic ability.
Unfortunately, I think that Manziel's career may be similar to Pryor's, when all is said and done.
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Zombo said:
You don't think Manziel is a sharp guy? I do.
You don't think Pryor is not so smart? I do.
You can tell just by listening to them talk. Manziel has done a lot of things that 21 year guys with addiction problems tend to do, but I don't know anybody accusing him of being dumb, the guy seems pretty quick and articulate actually.
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
If I'm looking at them both as prospects out of college, I'd say Manziel is more cerebral and a better passer in general, which probably accounts for where they were drafted.
Zombo
Wonderlic is a decent measure of knowledge, not so much mental acuity. Unfortunately, mental acuity, not knowledge, is much, much more important to an NFL QB.
For the record, Pryor took the test the next day and scored a 22. I have a feeling his 7 was more along the lines of "why the fuck should I have to do this?" than "I'm too dumb to understand".
I think Manziel is quite sharp, actually. He's eloquent enough to stand in front of cameras and dig himself out of the holes he's dug himself and make me still like him...that's saying something.
I don't think Pryor sounds any dumber than Ryan Mallet, or Brett Favre, or Rob Gronkowski, or any number of players from the South who don't speak eloquently. I think he's just not eloquent...that doesn't make him stupid.
I could find about 5 examples or posters calling Manziel stupid within the last 6 months or so. I know that because I already did the search. The point is, knowledge is relative and hard to infer from press conferences and language. Nor does it equate NFL success. Sharpness, concentration, flexibility - those are much more influential in a player's growth.
As for their draft position, Pryor would have likely been a second round pick had he not been suspended and declared for the normal draft; once QB's start rolling off the board teams get all antsy in their pantsy and take guys where they shouldn't go (see: Weeden, Brandon). Not as high as Manziel, but not nearly a giant differential in placement.
All things equal, I'd probably rate Manziel higher than Pryor based solely off of their college production, but Pryor is certainly right behind him based off of measurables, potential and athletic ability.
Unfortunately, I think that Manziel's career may be similar to Pryor's, when all is said and done.
I could find about 5 examples or posters calling Manziel stupid within the last 6 months or so. I know that because I already did the search.
stupid as in not knowing how to be in 'public' life since being drafted by the browns? oh, i'm sure i've said that.
smart as in going to the best schools and actually not being a dummy in the books, knowing how to market himself and get drafted in the first round?
yeah he's all that.
now can both manziel and/or pryor maintain a starting position in the nfl for a period of time lasting longer than 4 yrs.?
doubt it. but if i were to bet manziel has a better chance NOW than pryor cuz we've seen what he can do…….
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I could find about 5 examples or posters calling Manziel stupid within the last 6 months or so. I know that because I already did the search.
stupid as in not knowing how to be in 'public' life since being drafted by the browns? oh, i'm sure i've said that.
smart as in going to the best schools and actually not being a dummy in the books, knowing how to market himself and get drafted in the first round?
yeah he's all that.
now can both manziel and/or pryor maintain a starting position in the nfl for a period of time lasting longer than 4 yrs.?
doubt it. but if i were to bet manziel has a better chance NOW than pryor cuz we've seen what he can do…….
stupid as in not knowing how to be in 'public' life since being drafted by the browns? oh, i'm sure i've said that.
smart as in going to the best schools and actually not being a dummy in the books, knowing how to market himself and get drafted in the first round?
yeah he's all that.
now can both manziel and/or pryor maintain a starting position in the nfl for a period of time lasting longer than 4 yrs.?
doubt it. but if i were to bet manziel has a better chance NOW than pryor cuz we've seen what he can do…….
Well, yeah. But that's not what the discussion was. Nor is Pryor going to be gunning for Manziel's job.
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Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
Waterboy?
Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
Waterboy?
The waterboy was a hell of a LB. I don't see JM excelling there.
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Pryor caught a TD while at osu from Boeckman against Texas.. hes got the ability, i hope it translates!
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Just don't see it. Game active 5-6 WR's= Bowe, Hawk, Hartline and Gabe locks with non-injuries. Push Mayle to PS??(our rookies protected?), Leaves Benji, M. Moore, Wynn (PS?), Smith and Lenz and 2 hopes Jennings and Cone and than Pryor who has never ran a NFL Route if WR is it? I like Bowe, Hawk, Hart, Gabe, Mayle or Benji 5th Active.
Benji and Moore should definitely be gone. Jennings and Cone to PS, maybe?
WR- Bowe, Hartline, Mayle, Hawkins, Gabriel, Pryor
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
Pryor is the only one of any of those guys who could conceivably be effective at both WR and TE. That's why I see him staying. Plus the benefit of being an emergency QB as well as a 2 pt. conversion package player.
Benji and Moore should definitely be gone. Jennings and Cone to PS, maybe?
WR- Bowe, Hartline, Mayle, Hawkins, Gabriel, Pryor
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
Pryor is the only one of any of those guys who could conceivably be effective at both WR and TE. That's why I see him staying. Plus the benefit of being an emergency QB as well as a 2 pt. conversion package player.
TE- Dray, Barney, Housler, M. Johnson and Bibbs. Telfer (IR/squad). 3 game active. Pryor is 15-20 lbs. under weight to play TE and not many old QB's love to block. WR is his best shot and Tabor is loving Rabbit (Benji) and was the go to guy in Red Zone. Let the battles begin in Camp. ST kick holder is still open for Pryor. Take the over 53 on Pryor IMO.
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He'll make through training camp and most of preseason. Then it comes down to what he's learned and who's banged up early. If he does make it we can expect some end around with the option to throw. Might be fun.
He's a Brown now so I'm pulling for him but can't we just draft a regular WR anymore??
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