Terrelle Pryor Claimed By Browns
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Just don't see it. Game active 5-6 WR's= Bowe, Hawk, Hartline and Gabe locks with non-injuries. Push Mayle to PS??(our rookies protected?), Leaves Benji, M. Moore, Wynn (PS?), Smith and Lenz and 2 hopes Jennings and Cone and than Pryor who has never ran a NFL Route if WR is it? I like Bowe, Hawk, Hart, Gabe, Mayle or Benji 5th Active.
Benji and Moore should definitely be gone. Jennings and Cone to PS, maybe?
WR- Bowe, Hartline, Mayle, Hawkins, Gabriel, Pryor
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
Pryor is the only one of any of those guys who could conceivably be effective at both WR and TE. That's why I see him staying. Plus the benefit of being an emergency QB as well as a 2 pt. conversion package player.
Benji and Moore should definitely be gone. Jennings and Cone to PS, maybe?
WR- Bowe, Hartline, Mayle, Hawkins, Gabriel, Pryor
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
Pryor is the only one of any of those guys who could conceivably be effective at both WR and TE. That's why I see him staying. Plus the benefit of being an emergency QB as well as a 2 pt. conversion package player.
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Zombo said:
Bengals aren't happy with him right now
Someone asked what Johnny brings to the table that Pryor doesn't ... well, I would start with smarts. I think JM is potentially a better NFL passer as well.
Zombo
Didn't basically everyone just run Manziel through the wringer for being "stupid"? It's certainly different to see someone here say the words "Manziel" and "smarts" in the same sentence...even if it isn't true.
I wouldn't consider posting short video clips of OTA drills to be stupid, I'd consider it to be a lapse in judgment and an overreaction by whatever "team source" was quoted in the article (read: an equipment manager).
I don't think there is evidence of either of those that you claim. Pryor's NFL stats are bad, but Manziel's are worse. Pryor's off-field choice to tweet those videos was stupid, but Manziel has made monumentally worse decisions in his one year in the NFL (and then a much, much smarter decision to enter rehab). Manziel hasn't exhibited anything that makes me think he's any better of an NFL QB prospect than Pryor.
Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
Didn't basically everyone just run Manziel through the wringer for being "stupid"? It's certainly different to see someone here say the words "Manziel" and "smarts" in the same sentence...even if it isn't true.
I wouldn't consider posting short video clips of OTA drills to be stupid, I'd consider it to be a lapse in judgment and an overreaction by whatever "team source" was quoted in the article (read: an equipment manager).
I don't think there is evidence of either of those that you claim. Pryor's NFL stats are bad, but Manziel's are worse. Pryor's off-field choice to tweet those videos was stupid, but Manziel has made monumentally worse decisions in his one year in the NFL (and then a much, much smarter decision to enter rehab). Manziel hasn't exhibited anything that makes me think he's any better of an NFL QB prospect than Pryor.
Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
You don't think Manziel is a sharp guy? I do.
You don't think Pryor is not so smart? I do.
You can tell just by listening to them talk. Manziel has done a lot of things that 21 year guys with addiction problems tend to do, but I don't know anybody accusing him of being dumb, the guy seems pretty quick and articulate actually.
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
If I'm looking at them both as prospects out of college, I'd say Manziel is more cerebral and a better passer in general, which probably accounts for where they were drafted.
Zombo
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Didn't basically everyone just run Manziel through the wringer for being "stupid"? It's certainly different to see someone here say the words "Manziel" and "smarts" in the same sentence...even if it isn't true.
I wouldn't consider posting short video clips of OTA drills to be stupid, I'd consider it to be a lapse in judgment and an overreaction by whatever "team source" was quoted in the article (read: an equipment manager).
I don't think there is evidence of either of those that you claim. Pryor's NFL stats are bad, but Manziel's are worse. Pryor's off-field choice to tweet those videos was stupid, but Manziel has made monumentally worse decisions in his one year in the NFL (and then a much, much smarter decision to enter rehab). Manziel hasn't exhibited anything that makes me think he's any better of an NFL QB prospect than Pryor.
Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
You don't think Manziel is a sharp guy? I do.
You don't think Pryor is not so smart? I do.
You can tell just by listening to them talk. Manziel has done a lot of things that 21 year guys with addiction problems tend to do, but I don't know anybody accusing him of being dumb, the guy seems pretty quick and articulate actually.
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
If I'm looking at them both as prospects out of college, I'd say Manziel is more cerebral and a better passer in general, which probably accounts for where they were drafted.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You don't think Manziel is a sharp guy? I do.
You don't think Pryor is not so smart? I do.
You can tell just by listening to them talk. Manziel has done a lot of things that 21 year guys with addiction problems tend to do, but I don't know anybody accusing him of being dumb, the guy seems pretty quick and articulate actually.
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
If I'm looking at them both as prospects out of college, I'd say Manziel is more cerebral and a better passer in general, which probably accounts for where they were drafted.
Zombo
Wonderlic is a decent measure of knowledge, not so much mental acuity. Unfortunately, mental acuity, not knowledge, is much, much more important to an NFL QB.
For the record, Pryor took the test the next day and scored a 22. I have a feeling his 7 was more along the lines of "why the fuck should I have to do this?" than "I'm too dumb to understand".
I think Manziel is quite sharp, actually. He's eloquent enough to stand in front of cameras and dig himself out of the holes he's dug himself and make me still like him...that's saying something.
I don't think Pryor sounds any dumber than Ryan Mallet, or Brett Favre, or Rob Gronkowski, or any number of players from the South who don't speak eloquently. I think he's just not eloquent...that doesn't make him stupid.
I could find about 5 examples or posters calling Manziel stupid within the last 6 months or so. I know that because I already did the search. The point is, knowledge is relative and hard to infer from press conferences and language. Nor does it equate NFL success. Sharpness, concentration, flexibility - those are much more influential in a player's growth.
As for their draft position, Pryor would have likely been a second round pick had he not been suspended and declared for the normal draft; once QB's start rolling off the board teams get all antsy in their pantsy and take guys where they shouldn't go (see: Weeden, Brandon). Not as high as Manziel, but not nearly a giant differential in placement.
All things equal, I'd probably rate Manziel higher than Pryor based solely off of their college production, but Pryor is certainly right behind him based off of measurables, potential and athletic ability.
Unfortunately, I think that Manziel's career may be similar to Pryor's, when all is said and done.
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Zombo said:
You don't think Manziel is a sharp guy? I do.
You don't think Pryor is not so smart? I do.
You can tell just by listening to them talk. Manziel has done a lot of things that 21 year guys with addiction problems tend to do, but I don't know anybody accusing him of being dumb, the guy seems pretty quick and articulate actually.
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
If I'm looking at them both as prospects out of college, I'd say Manziel is more cerebral and a better passer in general, which probably accounts for where they were drafted.
Zombo
Wonderlic is a decent measure of knowledge, not so much mental acuity. Unfortunately, mental acuity, not knowledge, is much, much more important to an NFL QB.
For the record, Pryor took the test the next day and scored a 22. I have a feeling his 7 was more along the lines of "why the fuck should I have to do this?" than "I'm too dumb to understand".
I think Manziel is quite sharp, actually. He's eloquent enough to stand in front of cameras and dig himself out of the holes he's dug himself and make me still like him...that's saying something.
I don't think Pryor sounds any dumber than Ryan Mallet, or Brett Favre, or Rob Gronkowski, or any number of players from the South who don't speak eloquently. I think he's just not eloquent...that doesn't make him stupid.
I could find about 5 examples or posters calling Manziel stupid within the last 6 months or so. I know that because I already did the search. The point is, knowledge is relative and hard to infer from press conferences and language. Nor does it equate NFL success. Sharpness, concentration, flexibility - those are much more influential in a player's growth.
As for their draft position, Pryor would have likely been a second round pick had he not been suspended and declared for the normal draft; once QB's start rolling off the board teams get all antsy in their pantsy and take guys where they shouldn't go (see: Weeden, Brandon). Not as high as Manziel, but not nearly a giant differential in placement.
All things equal, I'd probably rate Manziel higher than Pryor based solely off of their college production, but Pryor is certainly right behind him based off of measurables, potential and athletic ability.
Unfortunately, I think that Manziel's career may be similar to Pryor's, when all is said and done.
I could find about 5 examples or posters calling Manziel stupid within the last 6 months or so. I know that because I already did the search.
stupid as in not knowing how to be in 'public' life since being drafted by the browns? oh, i'm sure i've said that.
smart as in going to the best schools and actually not being a dummy in the books, knowing how to market himself and get drafted in the first round?
yeah he's all that.
now can both manziel and/or pryor maintain a starting position in the nfl for a period of time lasting longer than 4 yrs.?
doubt it. but if i were to bet manziel has a better chance NOW than pryor cuz we've seen what he can do…….
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I could find about 5 examples or posters calling Manziel stupid within the last 6 months or so. I know that because I already did the search.
stupid as in not knowing how to be in 'public' life since being drafted by the browns? oh, i'm sure i've said that.
smart as in going to the best schools and actually not being a dummy in the books, knowing how to market himself and get drafted in the first round?
yeah he's all that.
now can both manziel and/or pryor maintain a starting position in the nfl for a period of time lasting longer than 4 yrs.?
doubt it. but if i were to bet manziel has a better chance NOW than pryor cuz we've seen what he can do…….
stupid as in not knowing how to be in 'public' life since being drafted by the browns? oh, i'm sure i've said that.
smart as in going to the best schools and actually not being a dummy in the books, knowing how to market himself and get drafted in the first round?
yeah he's all that.
now can both manziel and/or pryor maintain a starting position in the nfl for a period of time lasting longer than 4 yrs.?
doubt it. but if i were to bet manziel has a better chance NOW than pryor cuz we've seen what he can do…….
Well, yeah. But that's not what the discussion was. Nor is Pryor going to be gunning for Manziel's job.
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Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
Waterboy?
Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
Waterboy?
The waterboy was a hell of a LB. I don't see JM excelling there.
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Pryor caught a TD while at osu from Boeckman against Texas.. hes got the ability, i hope it translates!
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Just don't see it. Game active 5-6 WR's= Bowe, Hawk, Hartline and Gabe locks with non-injuries. Push Mayle to PS??(our rookies protected?), Leaves Benji, M. Moore, Wynn (PS?), Smith and Lenz and 2 hopes Jennings and Cone and than Pryor who has never ran a NFL Route if WR is it? I like Bowe, Hawk, Hart, Gabe, Mayle or Benji 5th Active.
Benji and Moore should definitely be gone. Jennings and Cone to PS, maybe?
WR- Bowe, Hartline, Mayle, Hawkins, Gabriel, Pryor
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
Pryor is the only one of any of those guys who could conceivably be effective at both WR and TE. That's why I see him staying. Plus the benefit of being an emergency QB as well as a 2 pt. conversion package player.
Benji and Moore should definitely be gone. Jennings and Cone to PS, maybe?
WR- Bowe, Hartline, Mayle, Hawkins, Gabriel, Pryor
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
Pryor is the only one of any of those guys who could conceivably be effective at both WR and TE. That's why I see him staying. Plus the benefit of being an emergency QB as well as a 2 pt. conversion package player.
TE- Dray, Barney, Housler, M. Johnson and Bibbs. Telfer (IR/squad). 3 game active. Pryor is 15-20 lbs. under weight to play TE and not many old QB's love to block. WR is his best shot and Tabor is loving Rabbit (Benji) and was the go to guy in Red Zone. Let the battles begin in Camp. ST kick holder is still open for Pryor. Take the over 53 on Pryor IMO.
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He'll make through training camp and most of preseason. Then it comes down to what he's learned and who's banged up early. If he does make it we can expect some end around with the option to throw. Might be fun.
He's a Brown now so I'm pulling for him but can't we just draft a regular WR anymore??
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Didn't basically everyone just run Manziel through the wringer for being "stupid"? It's certainly different to see someone here say the words "Manziel" and "smarts" in the same sentence...even if it isn't true.
I wouldn't consider posting short video clips of OTA drills to be stupid, I'd consider it to be a lapse in judgment and an overreaction by whatever "team source" was quoted in the article (read: an equipment manager).
I don't think there is evidence of either of those that you claim. Pryor's NFL stats are bad, but Manziel's are worse. Pryor's off-field choice to tweet those videos was stupid, but Manziel has made monumentally worse decisions in his one year in the NFL (and then a much, much smarter decision to enter rehab). Manziel hasn't exhibited anything that makes me think he's any better of an NFL QB prospect than Pryor.
Regardless of who's better, Pryor has proven that he isn't a good NFL QB and he'll be getting a shot at WR - which could be a good fit for his athleticism. Manziel, on the other hand, has no other position to fall back on.
You don't think Manziel is a sharp guy? I do.
You don't think Pryor is not so smart? I do.
You can tell just by listening to them talk. Manziel has done a lot of things that 21 year guys with addiction problems tend to do, but I don't know anybody accusing him of being dumb, the guy seems pretty quick and articulate actually.
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
If I'm looking at them both as prospects out of college, I'd say Manziel is more cerebral and a better passer in general, which probably accounts for where they were drafted.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
Wonderlic is a decent measure of knowledge, not so much mental acuity. Unfortunately, mental acuity, not knowledge, is much, much more important to an NFL QB.
For the record, Pryor took the test the next day and scored a 22. I have a feeling his 7 was more along the lines of "why the fuck should I have to do this?" than "I'm too dumb to understand".
Actually.....the wonderlick test does matter and is does NOT measure knowledge....it measures cognative ability.....meaning it measures your capacity to learn and problem solve.....it also measures your ability to understand complex concepts(and multi task)...
A 7 is brutally low and no QB with a score like that has ever succeeded in the NFL. Good chance it's why the Bungles dumped him so fast. If he cannot absorb the playbook and offensive scheme then that would be pretty obvious pretty fast. And, even if you learn the plays but still cant process things fast(like on the field), you wont be able to do it.....
Vince Young would be the perfect example. Scored a 6, then retested and scored a 15. Had massive skills....college success.....etc, but could not grasp things at the NFL level.......
The lowest scores I could find for "successful" QB's were Terry Bradshaw(not surprised) and Donovan McNabb at 15.....
Here are some real world average scores for different careers....chemist 31, teacher 28, nurse 23, security guard 17, janitor 14.....and thats as low as the list goes(14)....soooooo.......
......If Pryor really did score a 7, then the whole idea that he's too dumb makes perfect sense to me.......
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Just don't see it. Game active 5-6 WR's= Bowe, Hawk, Hartline and Gabe locks with non-injuries. Push Mayle to PS??(our rookies protected?), Leaves Benji, M. Moore, Wynn (PS?), Smith and Lenz and 2 hopes Jennings and Cone and than Pryor who has never ran a NFL Route if WR is it? I like Bowe, Hawk, Hart, Gabe, Mayle or Benji 5th Active.
Benji and Moore should definitely be gone. Jennings and Cone to PS, maybe?
WR- Bowe, Hartline, Mayle, Hawkins, Gabriel, Pryor
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
Pryor is the only one of any of those guys who could conceivably be effective at both WR and TE. That's why I see him staying. Plus the benefit of being an emergency QB as well as a 2 pt. conversion package player.
TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
That's not the TE depth chart of a team that is going to emphasize the run.
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Zombo said:
I'm not a big wonderlic guy but Manziel had a 32 and Pryor had a 7 ... that's got to tell you something.
Wonderlic is a decent measure of knowledge, not so much mental acuity. Unfortunately, mental acuity, not knowledge, is much, much more important to an NFL QB.
For the record, Pryor took the test the next day and scored a 22. I have a feeling his 7 was more along the lines of "why the fuck should I have to do this?" than "I'm too dumb to understand".
Actually.....the wonderlick test does matter and is does NOT measure knowledge....it measures cognative ability.....meaning it measures your capacity to learn and problem solve.....it also measures your ability to understand complex concepts(and multi task)...
A 7 is brutally low and no QB with a score like that has ever succeeded in the NFL. Good chance it's why the Bungles dumped him so fast. If he cannot absorb the playbook and offensive scheme then that would be pretty obvious pretty fast. And, even if you learn the plays but still cant process things fast(like on the field), you wont be able to do it.....
Vince Young would be the perfect example. Scored a 6, then retested and scored a 15. Had massive skills....college success.....etc, but could not grasp things at the NFL level.......
The lowest scores I could find for "successful" QB's were Terry Bradshaw(not surprised) and Donovan McNabb at 15.....
Here are some real world average scores for different careers....chemist 31, teacher 28, nurse 23, security guard 17, janitor 14.....and thats as low as the list goes(14)....soooooo.......
......If Pryor really did score a 7, then the whole idea that he's too dumb makes perfect sense to me.......
Actually.....the wonderlick test does matter and is does NOT measure knowledge....it measures cognative ability.....meaning it measures your capacity to learn and problem solve.....it also measures your ability to understand complex concepts(and multi task)...
A 7 is brutally low and no QB with a score like that has ever succeeded in the NFL. Good chance it's why the Bungles dumped him so fast. If he cannot absorb the playbook and offensive scheme then that would be pretty obvious pretty fast. And, even if you learn the plays but still cant process things fast(like on the field), you wont be able to do it.....
Vince Young would be the perfect example. Scored a 6, then retested and scored a 15. Had massive skills....college success.....etc, but could not grasp things at the NFL level.......
The lowest scores I could find for "successful" QB's were Terry Bradshaw(not surprised) and Donovan McNabb at 15.....
Here are some real world average scores for different careers....chemist 31, teacher 28, nurse 23, security guard 17, janitor 14.....and thats as low as the list goes(14)....soooooo.......
......If Pryor really did score a 7, then the whole idea that he's too dumb makes perfect sense to me.......
It's intended to measure intellectual function and the capacity to solve problems, however it has been found to be a poor indicator for fluid intelligence - which is arguably the most important mental attribute for a QB.
More on fluid intelligence:
"Fluid intelligence or fluid reasoning is the capacity to think logically and solve problems in novel situations, independent of acquired knowledge. It is the ability to analyze novel problems, identify patterns and relationships that underpin these problems and the extrapolation of these using logic. It is necessary for all logical problem solving, e.g., in scientific, mathematical, and technical problem solving. Fluid reasoning includes inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning."
The Wonderlic does a poor job in testing how a person solves problems independent of prior knowledge, meaning that players who had poor educations, didn't attend classes, etc. are already behind the ball. Is Pryor less knowledgable than Manziel in a lot of subjects? Surely. He's no Rhodes Scholar. He's not a very verbose or eloquent person, he's not an engineer and he probably doesn't know how to find the volume of a cylinder. But none of those things matter when it comes to playing sports.
Wonderlic scores show little to no correlation whatsoever with QB performance.
Stat Correlation
QBR .0049
Sack Percentage -.1071
Net Yards Per Attempt .0535
Passer Rating .1217
Interception Rate Per Attempt -.1944
Pryor scored low on the Wonderlic (only 2 below the NFL QB average of 24, for the record). He's also not a good NFL QB. Those are two mutually exclusive things.
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TE - Barnidge, Pryor, Housler, Telfer
That's not the TE depth chart of a team that is going to emphasize the run.
That's not the TE depth chart of a team that is going to emphasize the run.
Fair enough, maybe substitute Dray for Barnidge.
However, I don't necessarily agree with a stable of blocking TE's as an indicator of a run heavy team. It seems the key tenet of Flip's offensive philosophy (and this entire regime) is unpredictability and versatility. Just like on defense, I think we're going to have guys lined up everywhere, trying different things, so that we don't fall into familiar patterns. I think we'll have one, maybe two Y TE's and then 2 or 3 F TE's/ H-backs.
I don't think we'll see a majority of overloaded or heavy sets with two big body TE's trotting out there. I think we'll see a heavy dose of 2 TE sets featuring a blocker and a receiving threat in some fashion.
F - Johnson, Housler and Pryor
Y - Barnidge, Telfer, maybe Dray
Of these guys:
- Pryor's versatility is apparent in that he is a QB convert, he's a large body and he's athletic - so he can be beneficial in goal line situations/ trick plays.
- Housler's versatility is that he's a big body who can be effective at block and release routes and chip blocking out of the backfield (although it's not his strength) and he's athletic enough to be a receiving TE.
- Johnson is a Marcel Reece-type FB/RB/TE. I think he'll be lined up everywhere - in the backfield, on the line, flexed out and pulled in motion.
- Barnidge is slightly more of a receiver and less of a blocker, but is efficient enough at blocking to contribute.
- Dray is more of a blocker and less of a receiver, but is efficient enough at receiving to contribute.
- Telfer is a pure blocker who needs to add some size to be completely effective.
Of these guys, only Pryor isn't going to be used as a blocker in some fashion, but that's because I see him as more of a WR/TE than a TE/FB.
We have 5 solid offensive linemen. We have two TE's who are primarily blockers (Telfer, Johnson) . We have one TE who is about half and half blocker and short yardage receiver (Barnidge) . We have one TE who is more of a receiver than blocker, but can occasionally chip or release (Housler). And we have one TE who is a pure receiver (Pryor).
To me, that seems like we're set up to do anything that we really want.
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Well, the Braineac posted the Bungles' guarded practice film online, so I'm guessing the 7 is the more accurate score.
Well, the Braineac posted the Bungles' guarded practice film online, so I'm guessing the 7 is the more accurate score.
If you're calling out a guy on his mental performance, maybe don't misspell the insult.
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That's not the TE depth chart of a team that is going to emphasize the run.
Fair enough, maybe substitute Dray for Barnidge.
However, I don't necessarily agree with a stable of blocking TE's as an indicator of a run heavy team. It seems the key tenet of Flip's offensive philosophy (and this entire regime) is unpredictability and versatility. Just like on defense, I think we're going to have guys lined up everywhere, trying different things, so that we don't fall into familiar patterns. I think we'll have one, maybe two Y TE's and then 2 or 3 F TE's/ H-backs.
I don't think we'll see a majority of overloaded or heavy sets with two big body TE's trotting out there. I think we'll see a heavy dose of 2 TE sets featuring a blocker and a receiving threat in some fashion.
F - Johnson, Housler and Pryor
Y - Barnidge, Telfer, maybe Dray
Of these guys:
- Pryor's versatility is apparent in that he is a QB convert, he's a large body and he's athletic - so he can be beneficial in goal line situations/ trick plays.
- Housler's versatility is that he's a big body who can be effective at block and release routes and chip blocking out of the backfield (although it's not his strength) and he's athletic enough to be a receiving TE.
- Johnson is a Marcel Reece-type FB/RB/TE. I think he'll be lined up everywhere - in the backfield, on the line, flexed out and pulled in motion.
- Barnidge is slightly more of a receiver and less of a blocker, but is efficient enough at blocking to contribute.
- Dray is more of a blocker and less of a receiver, but is efficient enough at receiving to contribute.
- Telfer is a pure blocker who needs to add some size to be completely effective.
Of these guys, only Pryor isn't going to be used as a blocker in some fashion, but that's because I see him as more of a WR/TE than a TE/FB.
We have 5 solid offensive linemen. We have two TE's who are primarily blockers (Telfer, Johnson) . We have one TE who is about half and half blocker and short yardage receiver (Barnidge) . We have one TE who is more of a receiver than blocker, but can occasionally chip or release (Housler). And we have one TE who is a pure receiver (Pryor).
To me, that seems like we're set up to do anything that we really want.
Fair enough, maybe substitute Dray for Barnidge.
However, I don't necessarily agree with a stable of blocking TE's as an indicator of a run heavy team. It seems the key tenet of Flip's offensive philosophy (and this entire regime) is unpredictability and versatility. Just like on defense, I think we're going to have guys lined up everywhere, trying different things, so that we don't fall into familiar patterns. I think we'll have one, maybe two Y TE's and then 2 or 3 F TE's/ H-backs.
I don't think we'll see a majority of overloaded or heavy sets with two big body TE's trotting out there. I think we'll see a heavy dose of 2 TE sets featuring a blocker and a receiving threat in some fashion.
F - Johnson, Housler and Pryor
Y - Barnidge, Telfer, maybe Dray
Of these guys:
- Pryor's versatility is apparent in that he is a QB convert, he's a large body and he's athletic - so he can be beneficial in goal line situations/ trick plays.
- Housler's versatility is that he's a big body who can be effective at block and release routes and chip blocking out of the backfield (although it's not his strength) and he's athletic enough to be a receiving TE.
- Johnson is a Marcel Reece-type FB/RB/TE. I think he'll be lined up everywhere - in the backfield, on the line, flexed out and pulled in motion.
- Barnidge is slightly more of a receiver and less of a blocker, but is efficient enough at blocking to contribute.
- Dray is more of a blocker and less of a receiver, but is efficient enough at receiving to contribute.
- Telfer is a pure blocker who needs to add some size to be completely effective.
Of these guys, only Pryor isn't going to be used as a blocker in some fashion, but that's because I see him as more of a WR/TE than a TE/FB.
We have 5 solid offensive linemen. We have two TE's who are primarily blockers (Telfer, Johnson) . We have one TE who is about half and half blocker and short yardage receiver (Barnidge) . We have one TE who is more of a receiver than blocker, but can occasionally chip or release (Housler). And we have one TE who is a pure receiver (Pryor).
To me, that seems like we're set up to do anything that we really want.
I can't see Pryor at TE or H-Back or any position where he is asked to block an NFL front seven. He's going to be a WR.
Zombo
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If you're calling out a guy on his mental performance, maybe don't misspell the insult.
Which part is misspelled? If you're referring to 'Braineac', I copied and pasted straight from google. Since I don't think it's really a word, I doubt there is only one accepted form of spelling. But if it is a word, I'm sure a Brainiac like you will point it out. (see what I did there?)
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slang, also name of some cartoon character.
Doesn't matter. Looks more proper to me as "brainiac".
as in "maniac".
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