Redskins lose Trademark Registration
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If he and the NFL are willing to sacrifice losing millions....so be it. Let them keep it.
and, if you really think about it, they would make a TON of money if they changed the name/logo....because everyone would want to buy the new stuff...(kinda like the Browns new jerseys, etc).....
So, yep, there would be a lot if whiners and such, but as a business money making move, Id think it's the smart thing to do....
and, if you really think about it, they would make a TON of money if they changed the name/logo....because everyone would want to buy the new stuff...(kinda like the Browns new jerseys, etc).....
So, yep, there would be a lot if whiners and such, but as a business money making move, Id think it's the smart thing to do....
Agree. And of course the teams in Washington do have a history of changing their names in order to be politically correct. The Washington Bullets became the Washington Wizards in order to not have any association with the violence connected with the term Bullet (though, to me it really should have been changed when the team moved from being the Baltimore Bullets to Washington)
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They still use the logo, Stuart. And it is the best logo in sports IMO.
Chief Wahoo the best logo in sports? A face only a mother could love I guess.
You take a national poll and I assure you it would not be the best logo in sports.
I found this..not a poll though. Seems to be the opinion of one person.
No Cleve team ranked.
At one time Cleveland did possess one of the best logos in sports, but Republic Steel of Cleveland gave it to Pittsburgh.lol
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2025054-power-ranking-the-best-logos-in-sports
Stuart said:
Chief Wahoo the best logo in sports? A face only a mother could love I guess.
You take a national poll and I assure you it would not be the best logo in sports.
I found this..not a poll though. Seems to be the opinion of one person.
No Cleve team ranked.
At one time Cleveland did possess one of the best logos in sports, but Republic Steel of Cleveland gave it to Pittsburgh.lol
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2025054-power-ranking-the-best-logos-in-sports
I think that ranking has little to do with best logo.....and mostly to do with which teams have been most popular and successful. Of the ones on that list those that I kind of like best....just the logo, are the Gamecocks, Colts horseshoe, Sabres crossed swords under a Buffalo, the Saints Fleur de Lis, the Spurs where the U in Spurs is a spur, the Chiefs, the Maple Leafs maple leaf, the Longhorns. And yes, even the Cowboys have a good simplistic iconic emblem with the star.
Not mentioned in that list among my favorites include:
The Chargers Lightning Bolt
The Rams horns
The Brewers mitt spelled out with the M and the B
The Angels A with halo.
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The Chief has character. All the years I was growing up and heading downtown using Clifton. Heading onto the shoreway and crossing over the bridge, there sat Chief Wahoo, bigger than life on the outside of Muni. That is the best logo to me in all of sports.
Still, why is it only football? The Blackhawks, the Braves, the tribe all have their names intact. Even Louisiana Monroe caved to the pressure. Are the Seminoles and Utes next?
All of those names you describe don't carry the same weight of redskin. Blackhawk was a revered warrior and leader of the area close to Chicago, Braves were warriors in general, and Indians were akin to calling "African-American" people "black". Sure, even some people find that wrong but most people accept that. The logos, especially Chief Wahoo, are I'm sure going to change sooner than latter.
Redskin was the slang term for Native Americans akin to using the "n-word" for black people. There's a lot of interesting ideas of the history behind the word itself, but it undoubtedly became the slang phrase to use towards Native Americans as lesser, inferior people. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other really but I can understand why Native Americans would be pretty peeved off about it.
All of those names you describe don't carry the same weight of redskin. Blackhawk was a revered warrior and leader of the area close to Chicago, Braves were warriors in general, and Indians were akin to calling "African-American" people "black". Sure, even some people find that wrong but most people accept that. The logos, especially Chief Wahoo, are I'm sure going to change sooner than latter.
Redskin was the slang term for Native Americans akin to using the "n-word" for black people. There's a lot of interesting ideas of the history behind the word itself, but it undoubtedly became the slang phrase to use towards Native Americans as lesser, inferior people. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other really but I can understand why Native Americans would be pretty peeved off about it.
It's a myth that they're "peeved off" about it. They've never even complained about it until a couple years ago when this entire hubbub started. To grant their request now would be to implicitly grant license to anyone to begin complaining about anything NFL-related with the knowledge that the NFL will soon enough cave.
Page 1 of the liberal playbook: complain until you get your way. No coincidence these are the same techniques used by small children.
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The Chief has character. All the years I was growing up and heading downtown using Clifton. Heading onto the shoreway and crossing over the bridge, there sat Chief Wahoo, bigger than life on the outside of Muni. That is the best logo to me in all of sports.
Still, why is it only football? The Blackhawks, the Braves, the tribe all have their names intact. Even Louisiana Monroe caved to the pressure
. Are the Seminoles and Utes next?
The logo difference is those other teams, Blackhawks, Seminoles, Braves, Redskins have proud dignified appearing images, unlike the cooning, skinning and grinning Wahoo.
PC is nothing new. Thats why the baseball teams Atlanta Crackers and Atl Black Crackers no linger exist. If they still did, you probably wouldnt like
The logo difference is those other teams, Blackhawks, Seminoles, Braves, Redskins have proud dignified appearing images, unlike the cooning, skinning and grinning Wahoo.
PC is nothing new. Thats why the baseball teams Atlanta Crackers and Atl Black Crackers no linger exist. If they still did, you probably wouldnt like
Actually we really wouldn't care, which is why those words have never had any sting. YOU have the choice of whether or not you're going to be offended by something.
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All of those names you describe don't carry the same weight of redskin. Blackhawk was a revered warrior and leader of the area close to Chicago, Braves were warriors in general, and Indians were akin to calling "African-American" people "black". Sure, even some people find that wrong but most people accept that. The logos, especially Chief Wahoo, are I'm sure going to change sooner than latter.
Redskin was the slang term for Native Americans akin to using the "n-word" for black people. There's a lot of interesting ideas of the history behind the word itself, but it undoubtedly became the slang phrase to use towards Native Americans as lesser, inferior people. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other really but I can understand why Native Americans would be pretty peeved off about it.
It's a myth that they're "peeved off" about it. They've never even complained about it until a couple years ago when this entire hubbub started. To grant their request now would be to implicitly grant license to anyone to begin complaining about anything NFL-related with the knowledge that the NFL will soon enough cave.
Page 1 of the liberal playbook: complain until you get your way. No coincidence these are the same techniques used by small children.
It's a myth that they're "peeved off" about it. They've never even complained about it until a couple years ago when this entire hubbub started. To grant their request now would be to implicitly grant license to anyone to begin complaining about anything NFL-related with the knowledge that the NFL will soon enough cave.
Page 1 of the liberal playbook: complain until you get your way. No coincidence these are the same techniques used by small children.
So you've talked to many Native Americans and asked their opinion on it? So I should tell my Native American friends who, ya know, live and work with other Native Americans and have always been opposed to the slur they don't actually feel that way? Get your head out of your ass for 2 seconds and realize the world is a big place. Just because you feel like it shouldn't offend anyone doesn't mean jack shit. It's not "liberal" or "PC" to change things that marginalize huge groups of people, it's the right thing to do.
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It's a myth that they're "peeved off" about it. They've never even complained about it until a couple years ago when this entire hubbub started. To grant their request now would be to implicitly grant license to anyone to begin complaining about anything NFL-related with the knowledge that the NFL will soon enough cave.
Page 1 of the liberal playbook: complain until you get your way. No coincidence these are the same techniques used by small children.
So you've talked to many Native Americans and asked their opinion on it? So I should tell my Native American friends who, ya know, live and work with other Native Americans and have always been opposed to the slur they don't actually feel that way? Get your head out of your ass for 2 seconds and realize the world is a big place. Just because you feel like it shouldn't offend anyone doesn't mean jack shit. It's not "liberal" or "PC" to change things that marginalize huge groups of people, it's the right thing to do.
They arent a huge group of people... around 2%So you've talked to many Native Americans and asked their opinion on it? So I should tell my Native American friends who, ya know, live and work with other Native Americans and have always been opposed to the slur they don't actually feel that way? Get your head out of your ass for 2 seconds and realize the world is a big place. Just because you feel like it shouldn't offend anyone doesn't mean jack shit. It's not "liberal" or "PC" to change things that marginalize huge groups of people, it's the right thing to do.
So what size doesnt get a voice???? Is there a cutoff?
How about people just get over themselves with the fake outrage.
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All of those names you describe don't carry the same weight of redskin. Blackhawk was a revered warrior and leader of the area close to Chicago, Braves were warriors in general, and Indians were akin to calling "African-American" people "black". Sure, even some people find that wrong but most people accept that. The logos, especially Chief Wahoo, are I'm sure going to change sooner than latter.
Redskin was the slang term for Native Americans akin to using the "n-word" for black people. There's a lot of interesting ideas of the history behind the word itself, but it undoubtedly became the slang phrase to use towards Native Americans as lesser, inferior people. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other really but I can understand why Native Americans would be pretty peeved off about it.
It's a myth that they're "peeved off" about it. They've never even complained about it until a couple years ago when this entire hubbub started. To grant their request now would be to implicitly grant license to anyone to begin complaining about anything NFL-related with the knowledge that the NFL will soon enough cave.
Page 1 of the liberal playbook: complain until you get your way. No coincidence these are the same techniques used by small children.
It's a myth that they're "peeved off" about it. They've never even complained about it until a couple years ago when this entire hubbub started. To grant their request now would be to implicitly grant license to anyone to begin complaining about anything NFL-related with the knowledge that the NFL will soon enough cave.
Page 1 of the liberal playbook: complain until you get your way. No coincidence these are the same techniques used by small children.
You must really be young. There have been protests about the Redskins name going back to the 60s and 70s.
And you know who those liberals are who have been complaining all this time? Indians. Native Americans.
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http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/how-many-native-americans-think-redskins-is-a-slur/
They use the name for their own high school teams. And no that's not comparable to black people using the n word because they're not using it in official capacities (like their high school mascots). Give me a freaking break.
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So I suppose it's just come to a head the last 2 years for no real reason, Gipper? Ok.
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definitely not a new issue.....Gipper is right....it's been news since the 70's and get restirred just about every decade....I remember a huge hubub when they were in the super bowl(early 90's?).....Id say it's nowhere near as loud as it was back then.....been a controversial name for almost 50 years now....
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If that is the case then why are people now conceding the issue? Why isn't the reaction "ehh, this happens every few years. It's not gonna change."? All I see out there is "yeah they're gonna change it pretty soon."
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Ok well I wasn't around before the old protests but this one sure does strike me as different. And this is JMO, but you should care. Your team could be next. "First they came for the Redskins, but I did not stand up, because I was not a Redskins fan...."
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Ok well I wasn't around before the old protests but this one sure does strike me as different. And this is JMO, but you should care. Your team could be next. "First they came for the Redskins, but I did not stand up, because I was not a Redskins fan...."
Ok well I wasn't around before the old protests but this one sure does strike me as different. And this is JMO, but you should care. Your team could be next. "First they came for the Redskins, but I did not stand up, because I was not a Redskins fan...."
Not really. ...there are no more protests or noise than there ever was. The only reason it should strike you as different is this time a federal court ruled against them. So that is the one and only change. And Id expect they ruled that way now simply because laws and trademark regulations relating to racism have been updated since the 70's.
My team hasn't been the focus of 45 years worth or protests and requests to change our name. So why in the world would or should I expect them to be "next"....????
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I wonder if their logo(the indian image) would be ok, if they just agreed to change the name?
A decent compromise might be to change the "redskins" name, whilst maintaining the familiar colors and logo design.....
Ironically, I think they have exactly the opposite issue to the Indians.....in that our name is ok, but the Chief Wahoo logo seems to offend some......conversely, Washingtons logo seems fine, but the name offends....
I wonder if their logo(the indian image) would be ok, if they just agreed to change the name?
A decent compromise might be to change the "redskins" name, whilst maintaining the familiar colors and logo design.....
Ironically, I think they have exactly the opposite issue to the Indians.....in that our name is ok, but the Chief Wahoo logo seems to offend some......conversely, Washingtons logo seems fine, but the name offends....
Or if the name would be okay if they changed the logo to a bag of potatoes
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Well I guess you're not an Indians fan. So it's only about defending your team, not helping others? Because the fans of one team versus the entire rest of the country will ALWAYS lose.
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Well I guess you're not an Indians fan. So it's only about defending your team, not helping others? Because the fans of one team versus the entire rest of the country will ALWAYS lose.
Well I guess you're not an Indians fan. So it's only about defending your team, not helping others? Because the fans of one team versus the entire rest of the country will ALWAYS lose.
I have no clue what your talking about. This has zero to do with me defending my team only or my Indians fandom. First time someones come after me for "not" having a strong opinion on something. Hey...If Chief Wahoo goes, then so be it. It he stays, thats fine too. Logos and names change and it doesnt bother me one tiny bit.
Here's how I look at this. Its not my fight, not is it yours. Its between a business owner, a group of Indians and the law. Simple. Im not offended by it, nor do I care if they change it. Doesnt effect my life one way or the other, Personally, as a business owner, if people picketed me.....sued me....and regularly protested by business name, then Id probably have to consider changing it to get better pr....but thats me.....but do I care about Daniel Snyder and his business?.....nope, nada, zip...
Btw.....i LOVE the potato idea!
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All of those names you describe don't carry the same weight of redskin. Blackhawk was a revered warrior and leader of the area close to Chicago, Braves were warriors in general, and Indians were akin to calling "African-American" people "black". Sure, even some people find that wrong but most people accept that. The logos, especially Chief Wahoo, are I'm sure going to change sooner than latter.
Redskin was the slang term for Native Americans akin to using the "n-word" for black people. There's a lot of interesting ideas of the history behind the word itself, but it undoubtedly became the slang phrase to use towards Native Americans as lesser, inferior people. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other really but I can understand why Native Americans would be pretty peeved off about it.
It's a myth that they're "peeved off" about it. They've never even complained about it until a couple years ago when this entire hubbub started. To grant their request now would be to implicitly grant license to anyone to begin complaining about anything NFL-related with the knowledge that the NFL will soon enough cave.
Page 1 of the liberal playbook: complain until you get your way. No coincidence these are the same techniques used by small children.
It's a myth that they're "peeved off" about it. They've never even complained about it until a couple years ago when this entire hubbub started. To grant their request now would be to implicitly grant license to anyone to begin complaining about anything NFL-related with the knowledge that the NFL will soon enough cave.
Page 1 of the liberal playbook: complain until you get your way. No coincidence these are the same techniques used by small children.
No one cares except the rainbow warrior crowd.
So you've talked to many Native Americans and asked their opinion on it? So I should tell my Native American friends who, ya know, live and work with other Native Americans and have always been opposed to the slur they don't actually feel that way? Get your head out of your ass for 2 seconds and realize the world is a big place. Just because you feel like it shouldn't offend anyone doesn't mean jack shit. It's not "liberal" or "PC" to change things that marginalize huge groups of people, it's the right thing to do.
Fuck you and your 'native american friends'. I don't give a rats ass.
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