Redskins lose Trademark Registration
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Lyrics to the A&M 12th Man song have changed now too, "Texas Agriculturalists down In agricultural land, we've got agricultural spirit to a man/woman/child/transexual/gay/lesbian/etc."
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Haven't had time to read the whole thread, but being the PC antagonistic Bastard that I am I'm tempted to load up on the Red Skins gear and bandy it about here in Liberal PC Seahawk land just tweak their PC asses . . .
I F'n' hate PC Bullshit, and this reeks of it . . . .
Shit is Shit, and sugar coating doesn't change that . . . GTFO'er it . . . it's just like the stupid Confederate Flag Bullshit running down in S.C. - it wasn't about Slavery dumb asses, get over it.
Talk about Waggin' The Fuckin' Dog to misdirect the masses . . .
If I tweaked your noses with my (Liberal) comments . . . I'm seriously not sorry,
I'v had the BS Opened Minded (so much that their Brains have fallen out) Bullshit rammed down my throat in both Madison WI & here in WA that I just can't get over how stupid people are . . .
Zombo, if you want to delete my Account over this, feel free . . . enough is enough.
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JAF, I've actually thought about getting Redskins gear too.
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could be a great investment......buy some stuff with the name on it and just stash it away.....might become a rare collectible....
could be a great investment......buy some stuff with the name on it and just stash it away.....might become a rare collectible....
Not in our lifetime, Redskins gear has been around for decades, it'll be a looonnnngggg time before it becomes rare.
I'd think it would be more likely for the beanie baby market to swing back around.
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I've been watching Treme lately. Boy I hope the Native Americans never come against Mardi Gras.
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Haven't had time to read the whole thread, but being the PC antagonistic Bastard that I am I'm tempted to load up on the Red Skins gear and bandy it about here in Liberal PC Seahawk land just tweak their PC asses . . .
I F'n' hate PC Bullshit, and this reeks of it . . . .
Shit is Shit, and sugar coating doesn't change that . . . GTFO'er it . . . it's just like the stupid Confederate Flag Bullshit running down in S.C. - it wasn't about Slavery dumb asses, get over it.
Talk about Waggin' The Fuckin' Dog to misdirect the masses . . .
If I tweaked your noses with my (Liberal) comments . . . I'm seriously not sorry,
I'v had the BS Opened Minded (so much that their Brains have fallen out) Bullshit rammed down my throat in both Madison WI & here in WA that I just can't get over how stupid people are . . .
Zombo, if you want to delete my Account over this, feel free . . . enough is enough.
Haven't had time to read the whole thread, but being the PC antagonistic Bastard that I am I'm tempted to load up on the Red Skins gear and bandy it about here in Liberal PC Seahawk land just tweak their PC asses . . .
I F'n' hate PC Bullshit, and this reeks of it . . . .
Shit is Shit, and sugar coating doesn't change that . . . GTFO'er it . . . it's just like the stupid Confederate Flag Bullshit running down in S.C. - it wasn't about Slavery dumb asses, get over it.
Talk about Waggin' The Fuckin' Dog to misdirect the masses . . .
If I tweaked your noses with my (Liberal) comments . . . I'm seriously not sorry,
I'v had the BS Opened Minded (so much that their Brains have fallen out) Bullshit rammed down my throat in both Madison WI & here in WA that I just can't get over how stupid people are . . .
Zombo, if you want to delete my Account over this, feel free . . . enough is enough.
Because you don't like PC bullshit?
You're going to have to a lot better than that to get deleted.
Zombo
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Here's the question. Does anyone here believe when the professional football team was named the Redskins it was in order to make fun of, demean or belittle a race of people or do you believe that name was chosen because they wished to associate their team with a proud strong and noble group? Pick one.
WSS
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They chose the Redskins name as an honor. If American Indians were offended though I would be for removing the Redskins name even if the purpose was to honor them. I want to be respectful but the polling data I saw showed about 90 percent of American Indians were not offended over the Redskins name so if they are not offended I don't care about non Indians who take up the offended cause for them.
In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name âWashington Redskinsâ offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.
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Here's the question. Does anyone here believe when the professional football team was named the Redskins it was in order to make fun of, demean or belittle a race of people or do you believe that name was chosen because they wished to associate their team with a proud strong and noble group? Pick one.
WSS
Here's the question. Does anyone here believe when the professional football team was named the Redskins it was in order to make fun of, demean or belittle a race of people or do you believe that name was chosen because they wished to associate their team with a proud strong and noble group? Pick one.
WSS
The guy that chose the name: George Preston Marshall.....was an avowed racist. He did not allow black players onto his team until the 60s when the Civil Rights Act was passed and he was threatened with being disallowed to play in the government owned stadium there in DC. He acquiesced, but it was not done voluntarily.
And by all accounts, despite what he says, I do not think his attitude toward Native Americans was any better than his attitude toward blacks.
So.....yes, given who chose the name.....there certainly theoretically could have been a racist element to the selection....but you are right, it seems incongruous that he would purposely choose a demeaning name. It is likely he did so out of ignorance more than anything else.
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They chose the Redskins name as an honor. If American Indians were offended though I would be for removing the Redskins name even if the purpose was to honor them. I want to be respectful but the polling data I saw showed about 90 percent of American Indians were not offended over the Redskins name so if they are not offended I don't care about non Indians who take up the offended cause for them.
In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name âWashington Redskinsâ offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.
They chose the Redskins name as an honor. If American Indians were offended though I would be for removing the Redskins name even if the purpose was to honor them. I want to be respectful but the polling data I saw showed about 90 percent of American Indians were not offended over the Redskins name so if they are not offended I don't care about non Indians who take up the offended cause for them.
In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name âWashington Redskinsâ offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.
That may mean simply that they did not take umbrage to the name....not that it is not offensive.
Example.....it really doesn't bother me if someone were to call me a Honky, Cracker or some such because I am white. Or that they would call me a Mick because I am of Irish descent.
Just because I do not take offense...does not mean that it is not offensive.
Again, remember, if you buy the theory that the Browns are named for Joe Louis the Brown Bomber then you are accepting that "our" team too is essentially the "Brownskins"
Fortuneatly we have an out by saying it is really named after Paul Brown...not Joe Louis. (and it probably really is named after Paul Brown....but the counter theory exists.
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They chose the Redskins name as an honor. If American Indians were offended though I would be for removing the Redskins name even if the purpose was to honor them. I want to be respectful but the polling data I saw showed about 90 percent of American Indians were not offended over the Redskins name so if they are not offended I don't care about non Indians who take up the offended cause for them.
In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name âWashington Redskinsâ offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.
They chose the Redskins name as an honor. If American Indians were offended though I would be for removing the Redskins name even if the purpose was to honor them. I want to be respectful but the polling data I saw showed about 90 percent of American Indians were not offended over the Redskins name so if they are not offended I don't care about non Indians who take up the offended cause for them.
In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name âWashington Redskinsâ offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.
Just so you know, that study has been HEAVILY criticized and really, to me anyway, is largely irrelevant. Here's a pretty practical article that really highlights that:
A more recent (and more complete) study found that 67% find it offensive, and only 20% disagreeing:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyadler/native-americans-offended-by-racial-slur#.ut9Kg9GOKn
To repeat myself here, I wouldn't even argue that the world is over correcting some to a PC society. However, I will never be opposed to names, landmarks or other materials that lend themselves to overtly racist principles being removed.
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Haven't had time to read the whole thread, but being the PC antagonistic Bastard that I am I'm tempted to load up on the Red Skins gear and bandy it about here in Liberal PC Seahawk land just tweak their PC asses . . .
I F'n' hate PC Bullshit, and this reeks of it . . . .
Shit is Shit, and sugar coating doesn't change that . . . GTFO'er it . . . it's just like the stupid Confederate Flag Bullshit running down in S.C. - it wasn't about Slavery dumb asses, get over it.
Talk about Waggin' The Fuckin' Dog to misdirect the masses . . .
If I tweaked your noses with my (Liberal) comments . . . I'm seriously not sorry,
I'v had the BS Opened Minded (so much that their Brains have fallen out) Bullshit rammed down my throat in both Madison WI & here in WA that I just can't get over how stupid people are . . .
Zombo, if you want to delete my Account over this, feel free . . . enough is enough.
Because you don't like PC bullshit?
You're going to have to a lot better than that to get deleted.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Because you don't like PC bullshit?
You're going to have to a lot better than that to get deleted.
Zombo
Thanks Zombo, I can always count on you for a laugh when I need one.
But to the comment, you can never tell if folks in the area have sense or not.
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Here's the question. Does anyone here believe when the professional football team was named the Redskins it was in order to make fun of, demean or belittle a race of people or do you believe that name was chosen because they wished to associate their team with a proud strong and noble group? Pick one.
WSS
The guy that chose the name: George Preston Marshall.....was an avowed racist. He did not allow black players onto his team until the 60s when the Civil Rights Act was passed and he was threatened with being disallowed to play in the government owned stadium there in DC. He acquiesced, but it was not done voluntarily.
And by all accounts, despite what he says, I do not think his attitude toward Native Americans was any better than his attitude toward blacks.
So.....yes, given who chose the name.....there certainly theoretically could have been a racist element to the selection....but you are right, it seems incongruous that he would purposely choose a demeaning name. It is likely he did so out of ignorance more than anything else.
Of course you're assuming that the guy who didn't like blacks would also dislike Indians, correct? So it doesn't sound reasonable he would pick that name for something that meant a lot to him like a football team. I don't think those two prejudices necessarily go hand in hand.The guy that chose the name: George Preston Marshall.....was an avowed racist. He did not allow black players onto his team until the 60s when the Civil Rights Act was passed and he was threatened with being disallowed to play in the government owned stadium there in DC. He acquiesced, but it was not done voluntarily.
And by all accounts, despite what he says, I do not think his attitude toward Native Americans was any better than his attitude toward blacks.
So.....yes, given who chose the name.....there certainly theoretically could have been a racist element to the selection....but you are right, it seems incongruous that he would purposely choose a demeaning name. It is likely he did so out of ignorance more than anything else.
And the Joe Lewis Cleveland Browns hook just sounds ridiculous to me.
The Brown Bommber might make sense had there actually been any black people on the team and somebody really wanted to honor Joe but...
WSS
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Of course you're assuming that the guy who didn't like blacks would also dislike Indians, correct? So it doesn't sound reasonable he would pick that name for something that meant a lot to him like a football team. I don't think those two prejudices necessarily go hand in hand.The guy that chose the name: George Preston Marshall.....was an avowed racist. He did not allow black players onto his team until the 60s when the Civil Rights Act was passed and he was threatened with being disallowed to play in the government owned stadium there in DC. He acquiesced, but it was not done voluntarily.
And by all accounts, despite what he says, I do not think his attitude toward Native Americans was any better than his attitude toward blacks.
So.....yes, given who chose the name.....there certainly theoretically could have been a racist element to the selection....but you are right, it seems incongruous that he would purposely choose a demeaning name. It is likely he did so out of ignorance more than anything else.
And the Joe Lewis Cleveland Browns hook just sounds ridiculous to me.
The Brown Bommber might make sense had there actually been any black people on the team and somebody really wanted to honor Joe but...
WSS
Of course you're assuming that the guy who didn't like blacks would also dislike Indians, correct? So it doesn't sound reasonable he would pick that name for something that meant a lot to him like a football team. I don't think those two prejudices necessarily go hand in hand.
Yes, admittedly it is speculation......that a guy who is racist toward one group may also be racist toward another. That is why I said that it was incongruous that he would purposely call the team something he thought was demeaning. That is why I said that he named them the Redskins out of ignorance more than to be purposely offensive.
And the Joe Lewis Cleveland Browns hook just sounds ridiculous to me.
The "team is named after Joe Louis is absolutely a plausible theory...look it up"
The Brown Bommber might make sense had there actually been any black people on the team and somebody really wanted to honor Joe but...
Well....there were black people on the team. FYI, the Browns were the first team to integrate.......and yes, somebody did really want to honor Joe.....It was Paul Brown himself who wanted it said that "the name is after Louis, not me."
WSS
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Uh, yeah.
WSS
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They chose the Redskins name as an honor. If American Indians were offended though I would be for removing the Redskins name even if the purpose was to honor them. I want to be respectful but the polling data I saw showed about 90 percent of American Indians were not offended over the Redskins name so if they are not offended I don't care about non Indians who take up the offended cause for them.
In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name âWashington Redskinsâ offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.
Just so you know, that study has been HEAVILY criticized and really, to me anyway, is largely irrelevant. Here's a pretty practical article that really highlights that:
A more recent (and more complete) study found that 67% find it offensive, and only 20% disagreeing:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyadler/native-americans-offended-by-racial-slur#.ut9Kg9GOKn
To repeat myself here, I wouldn't even argue that the world is over correcting some to a PC society. However, I will never be opposed to names, landmarks or other materials that lend themselves to overtly racist principles being removed.
Just so you know, that study has been HEAVILY criticized and really, to me anyway, is largely irrelevant. Here's a pretty practical article that really highlights that:
A more recent (and more complete) study found that 67% find it offensive, and only 20% disagreeing:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyadler/native-americans-offended-by-racial-slur#.ut9Kg9GOKn
To repeat myself here, I wouldn't even argue that the world is over correcting some to a PC society. However, I will never be opposed to names, landmarks or other materials that lend themselves to overtly racist principles being removed.
I believe political correctness is a huge problem in our country today. If Washington would keep the Indian face and change the name to the Braves, Chieftains, Warriors etc...some one will find a way to be offended. There are many mascots we can find fault with. The fighting Irish because everyone knows the Irish can't handle their liquor and fight with everyone when drunk. Why does Pittsburgh honor the pirates? Weren't pirates a bunch of thieving murderers?
A college team Louisiana Lafayette uses the Rajin Cajuns for a mascot. The original mascot was a bulldog. In the early 1960âs as an effort to âfire upâ the football team, Coach Russ Faulkinberry called his team the Raging Cajuns since 95 percent of the football team was from the Acadiana area [i.e., ethnically Cajun]. It was then decided by the Sports Information Director, Bob Henderson, to honor the team and the Cajun heritage by calling them the Raging Cajuns. The first Raginâ Cajun mascot was Cajun Man.
This was protested by African American activists who resented the association of the multi-racial and -ethnic University with a white ethnicity. From another perspective, the mascot was questioned on the grounds that âCajunâ had once been a nasty racial slur.
Apparently the University lost Cajun Man when he graduated, so he was replaced by Cajun Chicken. Cajun Chicken was later replaced by Cayenne, a chili pepper, the Universityâs current mascot.
Still, the disappearance of the Cajun Man has not led to the disappearance of the controversy over the mascot, kept alive with the term âRaginâ Cajuns.â In Blue Collar Bayou, Jaques Henry and Carl Bankston III report that in 1997 Louis Farrakhan protested that the state funding of the University of Louisiana at Lafayette amounted to the state using âAfrican American and Creole tax dollars⌠to promote a white culture.â
The Redskins might be the exception and needs to be changed? I don't know. Our local school uses the name Redskins. I just believe political correctness is a slippery slope and where does it all end?
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