2015 Browns' D: Time to Put Up or Shut Up -plus- O'Neil's Career Path
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Thank God he's on the D. Otherwise JF would be tempted to compete in that drinking/head butting contest.
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Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?
That wife-headbutt thing is really weird.
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Good article, and I have to agree - its put-up time for this D. It has flirted with an identity for the last few years but has rarely put together a string of strong games. I like what I see on paper and if Tank Carder / Scott Solomon descriptions are accurate, We have two (or more) quality players at each position. Probably the deepest we've been since the new era began.
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Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?
That wife-headbutt thing is really weird.
Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?
well if you mean stop acting like an asshole and start acting like a choir boy when you are out and about and under a microscope....then yeah. learn the playbook and be a demon on the field. but above all: learn the playbook.
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Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?
That wife-headbutt thing is really weird.
Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?
Tough guys are always welcome. Now punks on the other hand...........
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Yeah I thought we didn't like guys with anything but choir boy personalities?
Tough guys are always welcome. Now punks on the other hand...........
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Yeah that's all good and well except the discussion was based on things on the field. I put head butting your own wife or intentionally "starting brawls" with your own teammates more in the Retard category than flicking people off but I suppose I'm not abreast of the nuanced standards around here.
To put my understanding here in simple terms:
Fight starter-tough guy/welcomed
Fight winner-punk
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Yeah, because I'm sure Jim headbutts his wife literally.
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What was/is it then? A head tap? A rhetorical head butt? An argument? If so, why is it relevant to his "tough guy" persona? Why is it mentioned next to him being a "meathead" and starting brawls? My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics. He might even say we "butt heads." I must be a really tough guy!
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What was/is it then? A head tap? A rhetorical head butt? An argument? If so, why is it relevant to his "tough guy" persona? Why is it mentioned next to him being a "meathead" and starting brawls? My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics. He might even say we "butt heads." I must be a really tough guy!
What was/is it then? A head tap? A rhetorical head butt? An argument? If so, why is it relevant to his "tough guy" persona? Why is it mentioned next to him being a "meathead" and starting brawls? My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics. He might even say we "butt heads." I must be a really tough guy!
ok. now you are anti o'neil because he gets support from fans who otherwise would criticize manziel for what you think is the same behavior? why are you so friggin defensive?
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What was/is it then? A head tap? A rhetorical head butt? An argument? If so, why is it relevant to his "tough guy" persona? Why is it mentioned next to him being a "meathead" and starting brawls? My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics. He might even say we "butt heads." I must be a really tough guy!
My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics.
Sicko. LOL! I bet you like Rick Perry too.
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What was/is it then? A head tap? A rhetorical head butt? An argument? If so, why is it relevant to his "tough guy" persona? Why is it mentioned next to him being a "meathead" and starting brawls? My best friend and I argue a lot because we love politics. He might even say we "butt heads." I must be a really tough guy!
I must be a really tough guy!
Nah... just a killjoy.
One person figured out how to both mature and retain an infectious personality while carving out a promising NFL career. That's the story here.
You should hope that your maligned, fellow former does half as well...
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Well. I did. And that's the point. I said I hoped he was good and had the same flair, because it is fun to watch. I was promptly treated to lectures about how choir boys are better and nobody likes a hothead. But in our DC (someone whom we like and don't criticize just to criticize) it's all the rage!!
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Well. I did. And that's the point. I said I hoped he was good and had the same flair, because it is fun to watch. I was promptly treated to lectures about how choir boys are better and nobody likes a hothead. But in our DC (someone whom we like and don't criticize just to criticize) it's all the rage!!
Well. I did. And that's the point. I said I hoped he was good and had the same flair, because it is fun to watch. I was promptly treated to lectures about how choir boys are better and nobody likes a hothead. But in our DC (someone whom we like and don't criticize just to criticize) it's all the rage!!
wrong!
we'd had loved it (and still will) if he had the fire and smack talk and could get it done on the field. too bad he looked like a little kid in a grown-up sport when trying to play in the nfl last year. it was really sad AND hard to watch.
hey, he could always be a qb coach. HA!!
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Gotta lot of JFF haters on here obviously.
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Gotta lot of JFF haters on here obviously.
Gotta lot of JFF haters on here obviously.
nah, don't hate him, just disappointed so far.
farmer's first draft and the guys in the later rounds out-performed the 2 first round picks in gilbert and manziel. just tired of wasted picks. the sit on the bench and learn bullshit is done and gone IMO in the nfl. what, we've had one qb in the past 10 years that has actually done that in rodgers? 2 years tops. show us what you got or get to steppin.
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Well. I did. And that's the point. I said I hoped he was good and had the same flair, because it is fun to watch. I was promptly treated to lectures about how choir boys are better and nobody likes a hothead. But in our DC (someone whom we like and don't criticize just to criticize) it's all the rage!!
wrong!
we'd had loved it (and still will) if he had the fire and smack talk and could get it done on the field. too bad he looked like a little kid in a grown-up sport when trying to play in the nfl last year. it was really sad AND hard to watch.
hey, he could always be a qb coach. HA!!
wrong!
we'd had loved it (and still will) if he had the fire and smack talk and could get it done on the field. too bad he looked like a little kid in a grown-up sport when trying to play in the nfl last year. it was really sad AND hard to watch.
hey, he could always be a qb coach. HA!!
Ok well then you and I are in agreement. But I was berated for suggesting as much on another thread.
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The more I think about, the more I'm undecided on our D this year :
Taylor's status coming back from two injuries last year has me questioning if he'll even be available for TC, plus it raises pretty big durability questions.
Shelton ?
Is he the real deal or another swing and miss we're so prone too, and is he healthy/durable ?
We lost Rubin, Sheard (?), and Skrine that I can think of - their replacements are question marks (ability wise) to me right now.
Gilbert I'm hoping the switch gets/has gotten flipped, but I think I saw a blurb where he was having to take care of a "personal" issue again - which is what sank him last year.
I like Dansby, but he's getting up there in years for the position he plays.
Gibson came in injured after holding out and recovering from the knee injury last year . . . so WTF?
Kirksey and Mingo I really hope start pulling it together, and I'm cutting Mingo slack since he was playing with one good arm last year.
If we can get a handle on our Run D and maintain our Pass D we might be looking at something
Sorry to sound like such a downer or rain on people's parade, but we've been sold a lousy Bill of goods about an awesome Defense too many times for me to keep buying it.
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Your glass is half empty, and the other half
doesn't have anything in it.
Too bad.Will all our draft picks get taken away on spaceships, and not come back
until the season is over?
Will a meteorite fall on the Browns' field at midnight sat, and the game is the next day,
and all our players will trip and fall over the debris?
With the depth and the talent, this team is excitingly on the rise. I don't care that the season
hasn't started and they haven't won eight games in ten, only won seven.
Whatever. Buck up, dammit. Questions should not lead to depression.
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The more I think about, the more I'm undecided on our D this year :
Taylor's status coming back from two injuries last year has me questioning if he'll even be available for TC, plus it raises pretty big durability questions.
Shelton ?
Is he the real deal or another swing and miss we're so prone too, and is he healthy/durable ?
We lost Rubin, Sheard (?), and Skrine that I can think of - their replacements are question marks (ability wise) to me right now.
Gilbert I'm hoping the switch gets/has gotten flipped, but I think I saw a blurb where he was having to take care of a "personal" issue again - which is what sank him last year.
I like Dansby, but he's getting up there in years for the position he plays.
Gibson came in injured after holding out and recovering from the knee injury last year . . . so WTF?
Kirksey and Mingo I really hope start pulling it together, and I'm cutting Mingo slack since he was playing with one good arm last year.
If we can get a handle on our Run D and maintain our Pass D we might be looking at something
Sorry to sound like such a downer or rain on people's parade, but we've been sold a lousy Bill of goods about an awesome Defense too many times for me to keep buying it.
The more I think about, the more I'm undecided on our D this year :
Taylor's status coming back from two injuries last year has me questioning if he'll even be available for TC, plus it raises pretty big durability questions.
Shelton ?
Is he the real deal or another swing and miss we're so prone too, and is he healthy/durable ?
We lost Rubin, Sheard (?), and Skrine that I can think of - their replacements are question marks (ability wise) to me right now.
Gilbert I'm hoping the switch gets/has gotten flipped, but I think I saw a blurb where he was having to take care of a "personal" issue again - which is what sank him last year.
I like Dansby, but he's getting up there in years for the position he plays.
Gibson came in injured after holding out and recovering from the knee injury last year . . . so WTF?
Kirksey and Mingo I really hope start pulling it together, and I'm cutting Mingo slack since he was playing with one good arm last year.
If we can get a handle on our Run D and maintain our Pass D we might be looking at something
Sorry to sound like such a downer or rain on people's parade, but we've been sold a lousy Bill of goods about an awesome Defense too many times for me to keep buying it.
Rubin, Skrine and Sheard??
Rubin is done and wouldn't make this team, Skrine was replaced by a better player (Williams) with a Top Ten pick in the wings, and Sheard just didnt fit the system, didnt make sense to pay him what he could make on the open market when you look at what his role with us would have been.
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