Pain Rankings
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The 2 a.m. New Year's Day kidney stone definitely #1.
Jim Brown premature retirement is second.
QB carousel 3rd.
The fumble 4th
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Actually GFT covered it: Vote for your most painful moment in Browns history:
A. Firing of Paul Brown
B. Red Right 88
C. The Drive
D. The Fumble
E. The Move
F. The Drop (Northcutt vs. Steelers in playoffs)
G. The Litany of Failed QBs
H. Any others you can think of?
(Oh, yes....these don't even count the other Cleveland sports issues: The Shot, The Quit, The Decision, the Jose Mesa Choke, The 2007 Red Sox choke, The Catch (Willie Mays) etc. etc.
The Move is up there, though I can't put it at absolute #1, because there were rumors & rumblings. I was disconsolate for a couple days after the Fumble though. .
One I didn't know about was Dwayne Rudd - sacked the QB to end the game (apart from a little fumble recovery run that came to nothing), celebrated by taking his helmet off and launching it across the field. Unsportsmanlike conduct, match continues...
Yeah- I also had the mis-pleasure of witnessing that one in person.
Red Right 88 is my vote just because I was in the stadium for that game freezing my nuts off.
Mark- your problem at that game was twofold- 1) You had inadequate attire. 2) You weren't old enough to drink. I however was quite toasty in my Gerry Expedition parka sitting in the Dawg Pound with my dear friends from the Alaska Browns Backers who made the trip from Anchorage for the game. We also had a quite adequate supply of Jack Daniels on hand- Ah- those were the days.PS- The coldest game I was ever at in the old stadium had to be against the Rams- in a year I can't remember anymore I think it was around 9 degrees. Me and the 'bro took a couple travelers from the parking lot to the gate- and we had beersickles before we got there.
Yeah- I also had the mis-pleasure of witnessing that one in person.
Mark- your problem at that game was twofold- 1) You had inadequate attire. 2) You weren't old enough to drink. I however was quite toasty in my Gerry Expedition parka sitting in the Dawg Pound with my dear friends from the Alaska Browns Backers who made the trip from Anchorage for the game. We also had a quite adequate supply of Jack Daniels on hand- Ah- those were the days.I had all the cold weather gear back then. I still lived in Cleveland. Not being able to drink would've made a difference but it was the coldest I had ever been.
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I voted for The Move, but actually witnessing The Drive in person was sickening. Why Marty never blitzed Elway is anybody's guess, handing off to Herman Fontenot on 3rd & 2 in OT when we had Mack and Byner- and the FG was wide left.
Another painful moment that people forget about was Tommy Kramer hitting Ahmad Rashad in 1980 on a Hail Mary. We would have clinched the AFC Central in Minnesota, instead had to wait a week to do that in Cincy...in Kardiac Fashion of course.
Down the list is blocking a FG vs. Pittsburgh, but hey recovered, kicked it again and we lost. 2001 or 2002, can't recall.
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One I didn't know about was Dwayne Rudd - sacked the QB to end the game (apart from a little fumble recovery run that came to nothing), celebrated by taking his helmet off and launching it across the field. Unsportsmanlike conduct, match continues...
One I didn't know about was Dwayne Rudd - sacked the QB to end the game (apart from a little fumble recovery run that came to nothing), celebrated by taking his helmet off and launching it across the field. Unsportsmanlike conduct, match continues...
Fortuneatly that one didn't cost as much as it could have. That was the year the Browns made the playoffs.
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Actually GFT covered it: Vote for your most painful moment in Browns history:
A. Firing of Paul Brown
B. Red Right 88
C. The Drive
D. The Fumble
E. The Move
F. The Drop (Northcutt vs. Steelers in playoffs)
G. The Litany of Failed QBs
H. Any others you can think of?
(Oh, yes....these don't even count the other Cleveland sports issues: The Shot, The Quit, The Decision, the Jose Mesa Choke, The 2007 Red Sox choke, The Catch (Willie Mays) etc. etc.
The Move is up there, though I can't put it at absolute #1, because there were rumors & rumblings. I was disconsolate for a couple days after the Fumble though. .
One I didn't know about was Dwayne Rudd - sacked the QB to end the game (apart from a little fumble recovery run that came to nothing), celebrated by taking his helmet off and launching it across the field. Unsportsmanlike conduct, match continues...
Yeah- I also had the mis-pleasure of witnessing that one in person.
Red Right 88 is my vote just because I was in the stadium for that game freezing my nuts off.
Mark- your problem at that game was twofold- 1) You had inadequate attire. 2) You weren't old enough to drink. I however was quite toasty in my Gerry Expedition parka sitting in the Dawg Pound with my dear friends from the Alaska Browns Backers who made the trip from Anchorage for the game. We also had a quite adequate supply of Jack Daniels on hand- Ah- those were the days.PS- The coldest game I was ever at in the old stadium had to be against the Rams- in a year I can't remember anymore I think it was around 9 degrees. Me and the 'bro took a couple travelers from the parking lot to the gate- and we had beersickles before we got there.
The Move is up there, though I can't put it at absolute #1, because there were rumors & rumblings. I was disconsolate for a couple days after the Fumble though. .
Yeah- I also had the mis-pleasure of witnessing that one in person.
Mark- your problem at that game was twofold- 1) You had inadequate attire. 2) You weren't old enough to drink. I however was quite toasty in my Gerry Expedition parka sitting in the Dawg Pound with my dear friends from the Alaska Browns Backers who made the trip from Anchorage for the game. We also had a quite adequate supply of Jack Daniels on hand- Ah- those were the days.PS- The coldest game I was ever at in the old stadium had to be against the Rams- in a year I can't remember anymore I think it was around 9 degrees. Me and the 'bro took a couple travelers from the parking lot to the gate- and we had beersickles before we got there.
I was at that Rams game.....mid 70s. A friend of mine by the name of Westside Steve insisted that a group of us go to that game because Joe Namath was playing for the Rams. Well, this was the end of Joe's career and we got to watch him stand on the sideline with his parka on the whole game It was 9 degrees....plus the wind was gusting at like 20-25 mph off the lake to make it even more miserable. Not only that, but the Browns lost by like a 13-9 score. They really did nothing that day. It was just colder than fucking a corpse.
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One I didn't know about was Dwayne Rudd - sacked the QB to end the game (apart from a little fumble recovery run that came to nothing), celebrated by taking his helmet off and launching it across the field. Unsportsmanlike conduct, match continues...
I would include that one in a separate, "secondary pain" list.
Dwayne Rudd tossing helmet vs Chiefs, Browns lose.
Those new uniforms LOL
Learning that new owner Jimmy Haslems Flying J was being investigated by FBI.
Learning that Ray Farmer was being suspended for texting.
The loss to the Bengals...Dalton to Green trickery, Browns secondary caught sleeping.
Watching your Browns dressed in purple win their first Super Bowl.
Center LeCharles Bentley busts knee in first day of training camp.
Death of Don Rodgers.
An exciting season in 2014 starting out at 7-4, ending up 7-9.
The flea flicker loss..Bradshaw to Cunningham. Would have broken the Three Rivers Jinx.
Learning that Braylon Edwards cuts foot practicing barefoot.
Learning that soldja Kellen Winslows fucks himself up doing motorcycle stunts.
Every time Braylon dropped a pass.
Firing of Marty Schottenheimer.
Colts purposely losing last game keeping Browns out of playoffs.
Losing to Steelers in playoffs after being up by 30(?) at halftime.
Butch Davis quits.
LeBron James wearing a Cowboy hat to a Browns game.
Hometown hero Bernie let go...diminishing skills.
Ozzie Newsome joins Art in Baltimore.
Learning potential superstar Josh Gordon is getting suspended.
The Johnny Football fiasco.
The 41-0 season opener loss in '99 when the Steelers welcomed the browns back to the NFL.
The disappointment after watching QB hopeful Johnny Footballs performance vs. the Bengals.
I'm sure there are more.
Stuart said:
I would include that one in a separate, "secondary pain" list.
Dwayne Rudd tossing helmet vs Chiefs, Browns lose.
Those new uniforms LOL
Learning that new owner Jimmy Haslems Flying J was being investigated by FBI.
Learning that Ray Farmer was being suspended for texting.
The loss to the Bengals...Dalton to Green trickery, Browns secondary caught sleeping.
Watching your Browns dressed in purple win their first Super Bowl.
Those were NOT the fucking Browns.
Center LeCharles Bentley busts knee in first day of training camp.
Death of Don Rodgers.
An exciting season in 2014 starting out at 7-4, ending up 7-9.
The flea flicker loss..Bradshaw to Cunningham. Would have broken the Three Rivers Jinx.
Learning that Braylon Edwards cuts foot practicing barefoot.
Learning that soldja Kellen Winslows fucks himself up doing motorcycle stunts.
Every time Braylon dropped a pass.
Firing of Marty Schottenheimer.
Marty resigned, he was not fired
Colts purposely losing last game keeping Browns out of playoffs.
Losing to Steelers in playoffs after being up by 30(?) at halftime.
It was 17....but who's counting
Butch Davis quits.
LeBron James wearing a Cowboy hat to a Browns game.
Hometown hero Bernie let go...diminishing skills.
Ozzie Newsome joins Art in Baltimore.
Not that big of a deal because he did that when the team was on hiatus. No one holds it against him.
Learning potential superstar Josh Gordon is getting suspended.
The Johnny Football fiasco.
The 41-0 season opener loss in '99 when the Steelers welcomed the browns back to the NFL.
The disappointment after watching QB hopeful Johnny Footballs performance vs. the Bengals.
The Johnny story is yet to be written... Give it a couple more years.
I'm sure there are more.
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I'm sure nobody holds it against Ozzie, and those browns were not the real browns. But the ravens winning superbowls with the old browns team, and the old browns legend as GM, that's about as painful as it gets. But, it's all tied up in The Move, so doesn't get a separate vote.
Painful moments from just this year - coming back from 24 points down to tie with the steelers, only to give up a FG at the death; our D utterly dominating the best young QB in the league, only for our O to shit the bed, and have us lose in the last minute; watching the wheels come off the run-game (and the wings(?) come off the passing game) after Mack's leg break; JFF's 7 quarters of shit; textgate; the list is longer than it should be.
In spite of all that, best season for a long time - that probably says as much as you need to know about the Browns!
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Actually GFT covered it: Vote for your most painful moment in Browns history:
A. Firing of Paul Brown
B. Red Right 88
C. The Drive
D. The Fumble
E. The Move
F. The Drop (Northcutt vs. Steelers in playoffs)
G. The Litany of Failed QBs
H. Any others you can think of?
(Oh, yes....these don't even count the other Cleveland sports issues: The Shot, The Quit, The Decision, the Jose Mesa Choke, The 2007 Red Sox choke, The Catch (Willie Mays) etc. etc.
The Move is up there, though I can't put it at absolute #1, because there were rumors & rumblings. I was disconsolate for a couple days after the Fumble though. .
One I didn't know about was Dwayne Rudd - sacked the QB to end the game (apart from a little fumble recovery run that came to nothing), celebrated by taking his helmet off and launching it across the field. Unsportsmanlike conduct, match continues...
Yeah- I also had the mis-pleasure of witnessing that one in person.
Red Right 88 is my vote just because I was in the stadium for that game freezing my nuts off.
Mark- your problem at that game was twofold- 1) You had inadequate attire. 2) You weren't old enough to drink. I however was quite toasty in my Gerry Expedition parka sitting in the Dawg Pound with my dear friends from the Alaska Browns Backers who made the trip from Anchorage for the game. We also had a quite adequate supply of Jack Daniels on hand- Ah- those were the days.PS- The coldest game I was ever at in the old stadium had to be against the Rams- in a year I can't remember anymore I think it was around 9 degrees. Me and the 'bro took a couple travelers from the parking lot to the gate- and we had beersickles before we got there.
The Move is up there, though I can't put it at absolute #1, because there were rumors & rumblings. I was disconsolate for a couple days after the Fumble though.
Yeah... same here. The Fumble is easily my #1.
We fought so hard to come back from far behind in that game only to fall a TD behind again late.
The handoff was made...
The hole was there...
I rose out of my chair.
Redemption for The Drive was imminent.
This OT would be ours.
We were going to the Super Bowl.
And then an arm was stuck out.
The ball came out.
I was literally floored by the biggest Browns' gut-punch of them all.
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Had there not been a Fumble, would there have been a Move?
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Had there not been a Fumble, would there have been a Move?
Maybe not, but the move was some time afterwards, not a knee-jerk reaction.
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The Drive, The Fumble and Red Right 88 were all equally soul-crushing.
Red Right 88 probably hurt the most because during the Kosar years I was in my early 20's, living life, with a real job, chasing skirts ... had some perspective ... But in 1980 I was a dorky 16 year old living in Steeler Country and the Browns were my life and the Kardiac Kid Season was like a glorious dream come true and it ended in an instant on an ill-advised throw from my hero, Brian Sipe, after one of the worst decisions in Sports History by a coach I loved, riverboat gambler Sam Rutigliano.
I still remember watching the ball floating into Mike Davis's hands in stunned disbelief. My mom and my sister were in the room, they were rooting along with me, but they're, you know, women, and they didn't get the significance of it and didn't understand that the ball had been intercepted until after I had stormed out of the room, accidently knocking over my 1 year old nephew as I left. I went to my room and probably stayed there for two days. Ironically my mom, and that nephew, are now Browns fans ... only two I could convert out of a family of Steeler fans.
But that day, and all the other soul crushers, are what makes us who we are ... and I wouldn't switch teams for anything in the world, which is why I voted for the move ... Fuck you Modell.
Zombo
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Maybe not, but the move was some time afterwards, not a knee-jerk reaction.
True, but my hypothetical was based more upon the success, i.e., Super Bowl, that might have followed a TD on that play, and the degree to which the success might have further entrenched the team paving the way to a new Stadium.
IIRC only one SB winner has ever relocated, Al Davis' Raiders move to LA, and that relocation was not approved by the league. Davis sued to move.
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Anyone else been reading this series? NFL going through the top 7 most 'painful' franchises.
Number one not revealed yet, but is there even a competition?
2. Jets
3. Bills
4. Lions
5. Vikings
6. Bengals
7. Chiefs
Number one not revealed yet, but is there even a competition?
Id only say that after reading this thread, it's apparent that the most pain comes from "almost" making it, then losing.....IE...the drive, the fumble and Red Right 88.....I dont see anyone saying the greatest pain was going 4-12 or just losing.....and thats because of expectation....
And, with that in mind, how could the Browns losing a few playoff games even compare to the Bills and Vikings losing all those SuperBowls?........
Maybe it's because we moved AND lost?......but losing 4 SuperBowls in a row has got to be unimaginable pain(Buffalo)
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Number one not revealed yet, but is there even a competition?
Id only say that after reading this thread, it's apparent that the most pain comes from "almost" making it, then losing.....IE...the drive, the fumble and Red Right 88.....I dont see anyone saying the greatest pain was going 4-12 or just losing.....and thats because of expectation....
And, with that in mind, how could the Browns losing a few playoff games even compare to the Bills and Vikings losing all those SuperBowls?........
Maybe it's because we moved AND lost?......but losing 4 SuperBowls in a row has got to be unimaginable pain(Buffalo)
Id only say that after reading this thread, it's apparent that the most pain comes from "almost" making it, then losing.....IE...the drive, the fumble and Red Right 88.....I dont see anyone saying the greatest pain was going 4-12 or just losing.....and thats because of expectation....
And, with that in mind, how could the Browns losing a few playoff games even compare to the Bills and Vikings losing all those SuperBowls?........
Maybe it's because we moved AND lost?......but losing 4 SuperBowls in a row has got to be unimaginable pain(Buffalo)
I think it is how we lost ... how great we were before the Super Bowl era ... the fact that we have never been to a Super Bowl ... "The Move" was probably the most painful thing that happened to any sports base, ever ... and the subsequent laughable team that has followed is salt in the wounds for the loyal fans that have endured it.
Four Super Bowl losses means you won four AFC Championships ... I'll take one of those.
Zombo
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Even the Arizona Cardinals are bringing the pain:
Let's hope that "changing the culture" thing results in some scoreboard changes this year. It's time.
Zombo
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The Drive, The Fumble and Red Right 88 were all equally soul-crushing.
Red Right 88 probably hurt the most because during the Kosar years I was in my early 20's, living life, with a real job, chasing skirts ... had some perspective ... But in 1980 I was a dorky 16 year old living in Steeler Country and the Browns were my life and the Kardiac Kid Season was like a glorious dream come true and it ended in an instant on an ill-advised throw from my hero, Brian Sipe, after one of the worst decisions in Sports History by a coach I loved, riverboat gambler Sam Rutigliano.
I still remember watching the ball floating into Mike Davis's hands in stunned disbelief. My mom and my sister were in the room, they were rooting along with me, but they're, you know, women, and they didn't get the significance of it and didn't understand that the ball had been intercepted until after I had stormed out of the room, accidently knocking over my 1 year old nephew as I left. I went to my room and probably stayed there for two days. Ironically my mom, and that nephew, are now Browns fans ... only two I could convert out of a family of Steeler fans.
But that day, and all the other soul crushers, are what makes us who we are ... and I wouldn't switch teams for anything in the world, which is why I voted for the move ... Fuck you Modell.
Zombo
Zombo said:
The Drive, The Fumble and Red Right 88 were all equally soul-crushing.
Red Right 88 probably hurt the most because during the Kosar years I was in my early 20's, living life, with a real job, chasing skirts ... had some perspective ... But in 1980 I was a dorky 16 year old living in Steeler Country and the Browns were my life and the Kardiac Kid Season was like a glorious dream come true and it ended in an instant on an ill-advised throw from my hero, Brian Sipe, after one of the worst decisions in Sports History by a coach I loved, riverboat gambler Sam Rutigliano.
Not quite as bad as Pete Carroll not running Marshawn Lynch, but up there.
I still remember watching the ball floating into Mike Davis's hands in stunned disbelief. My mom and my sister were in the room, they were rooting along with me, but they're, you know, women, and they didn't get the significance of it and didn't understand that the ball had been intercepted until after I had stormed out of the room, accidently knocking over my 1 year old nephew as I left. I went to my room and probably stayed there for two days. Ironically my mom, and that nephew, are now Browns fans ... only two I could convert out of a family of Steeler fans.
But that day, and all the other soul crushers, are what makes us who we are ... and I wouldn't switch teams for anything in the world, which is why I voted for the move ... Fuck you Modell.
Zombo
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Even the Arizona Cardinals are bringing the pain:
Let's hope that "changing the culture" thing results in some scoreboard changes this year. It's time.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Even the Arizona Cardinals are bringing the pain:
Let's hope that "changing the culture" thing results in some scoreboard changes this year. It's time.
Zombo
And since then the Cardinals have had as bad a time of it as the Browns ever had. The playoff games mean nothing much really....but that Super Bowl does.
They would have won that game if the had not fumbled and farted all over themselves on Harrison's runback. They were so inept. That run should never have happened. And, they choked in the final minute letting BR and Holmes score that last second TD.
Those are as bad as Red Right 88 or the Drive/Fumble/Drop/Choke.
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The Move
Nothing else comes close because that was actually taking my team from me. Don't see how anyone could see it any other way.
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