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  • T TexasAg1969

    The argument for JM over McCown. Agree or disagree and why?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000503117/article/reckless-shekulation-on-futures-of-johnny-manziel-andy-dalton

    @texasag1969 said:

    Disagree, and correct me if I am wrong, but there is no QB controversy this year, it's McCown's team.

    Manziel's rookie year set him back and now he's an apprentice to a guy who has been handpicked to be the starter.

    Hopefully Manziel has a nice preseason, separates himself from Thad and Shaw, and is competent enough to take over if McCown gets injured.

    Zombo

  • T TexasAg1969

    The argument for JM over McCown. Agree or disagree and why?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000503117/article/reckless-shekulation-on-futures-of-johnny-manziel-andy-dalton

    @texasag1969 said:

    yep....completely disagree.....

    Honestly...and without being a hater....Im wondering if he's even good enough to be #2(without the need to carry a third as security).....

  • T TexasAg1969

    The argument for JM over McCown. Agree or disagree and why?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000503117/article/reckless-shekulation-on-futures-of-johnny-manziel-andy-dalton

    @texasag1969 said:

    I clicked on the link, scrolled down a bit, and my eyes were immediately drawn to "Johnny Manziel is the Browns' best hope". I was instantly overcome by grief and sadness, which quickly turned into nausea.

    So yea, it's fair to say I disagree.

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    @texasag1969 said:

    I clicked on the link, scrolled down a bit, and my eyes were immediately drawn to "Johnny Manziel is the Browns' best hope". I was instantly overcome by grief and sadness, which quickly turned into nausea.

    So yea, it's fair to say I disagree.

    @d-bone said:

    I clicked on the link, scrolled down a bit, and my eyes were immediately drawn to "Johnny Manziel is the Browns' best hope". I was instantly overcome by grief and sadness, which quickly turned into nausea.

    So yea, it's fair to say I disagree.

    Well if you had heard Kevin Gilbride on NFL Network this morning then you would have been hospitalized. He said that at some point the O under McCown will bog down to the point that they will have to bring in JF as the starter "to provide a spark". He apparently agrees with this article that it's just not going to be workable with McCown as QB.

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  • T TexasAg1969

    @d-bone said:

    I clicked on the link, scrolled down a bit, and my eyes were immediately drawn to "Johnny Manziel is the Browns' best hope". I was instantly overcome by grief and sadness, which quickly turned into nausea.

    So yea, it's fair to say I disagree.

    Well if you had heard Kevin Gilbride on NFL Network this morning then you would have been hospitalized. He said that at some point the O under McCown will bog down to the point that they will have to bring in JF as the starter "to provide a spark". He apparently agrees with this article that it's just not going to be workable with McCown as QB.

    @texasag1969 said:

    at some point the O under McCown will bog down to the point that they will have to bring in JF as the starter "to provide a spark". He apparently agrees with this article that it's just not going to be workable with McCown as QB.

    It would be better if they predicted Johnny plays due to "Johnny" actually being good and earning the spot...... as opposed to saying Johnny plays just because McCown will be bad....

    There is no comfort in this at all...

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  • T TexasAg1969

    @d-bone said:

    I clicked on the link, scrolled down a bit, and my eyes were immediately drawn to "Johnny Manziel is the Browns' best hope". I was instantly overcome by grief and sadness, which quickly turned into nausea.

    So yea, it's fair to say I disagree.

    Well if you had heard Kevin Gilbride on NFL Network this morning then you would have been hospitalized. He said that at some point the O under McCown will bog down to the point that they will have to bring in JF as the starter "to provide a spark". He apparently agrees with this article that it's just not going to be workable with McCown as QB.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Well if you had heard Kevin Gilbride on NFL Network this morning then you would have been hospitalized. He said that at some point the O under McCown will bog down to the point that they will have to bring in JF as the starter "to provide a spark". He apparently agrees with this article that it's just not going to be workable with McCown as QB.

    Don't start being Johnny Fags already, let us enjoy a training camp without a QB controversy. He'll get his day to prove himself.

    Zombo

  • i read the article this morning on nfl.com and it was definitely a rewrite of last year. same people that lauded manziel then are doing the same now as it is their last chance to get the kid some press and in their thoughts and prayers to put a worm inside the OCs brain that somehow dismisses years and years of seeing actual good play and just start manziel on some sort of whim. even if you had scrolled down to the remarks on the article it's the same guys that were praising manziel last doing it again.

    "it's the browns only hope."

    GTFO.

  • Or you could take the completely cynical view and come full circle like this one.

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2016charlie.php

    "Josh McCown was good enough to get the Bucs the No. 1 pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, so perhaps he can do that for the Browns this year."

    Makes about as much sense as writing off a guy with just a few quarters of football with one week practice with 1's who were by then a shadow of the starting team Hoyer began the season with.

    Manziel 2.0 is a pretty good look at what he has to overcome from the perspective of two guys who had the same problem.

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  • Its still all about playing the QB that gives us the best chance to win on Sunday. As it proved out last year Hoyer was the best to start over Manziel. Next up Josh McCown. He no Andrew Luck yet. With Pet the best QB will start Sundays with no Text needed. Manziel wants the job WIN IT.

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  • Regardless of how McGown does, he is old and not very good. We need to plan accordingly.

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  • http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/7/24/9036003/report-browns-qb-johnny-manziel-tutored-by-jon-gruden-in-florida

    Report: Browns QB Johnny Manziel Tutored by Jon Gruden in Florida

    According to Charlie Campbell of Walter Football, Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel spent several days in Tampa Bay, Florida receiving tutoring from former NFL head coach and current Monday Night Football analyst Jon Gruden. Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal provided a few more details from a source on Manziel's time with Gruden:
    Manziel's training with Gruden consisted of film study and on-field work. The sessions serve as the latest examples of Manziel showing more dedication to his job heading into his second NFL season than he did during his disastrous rookie campaign.
    Manziel and Gruden's relationship extends back to prior to last year's draft, when the pair were featured on "Gruden's QB Camp" on ESPN. It's encouraging that Manziel voluntarily took the initiative to hook up with Gruden again, as opposed to last year's offseason when he seemed more interested in living a social life during his time off.
    The commitment that Manziel is showing to improving is a positive, but at the end of the day, it doesn't mean that he's actually made strides as an NFL quarterback. He is not expected to be a contender for the starting quarterback position in camp this year, despite being up against a journeyman quarterback in Josh McCown.

  • Gruden had said last season he would love a chance to coach JM. Johnny must have seen the interview and took him up on the offer.

  • I'm not saying this is the case with McCown, but the notion that the best player is always starting is a myth on any team with any coach. Some guys are just gamers. Some hate practice. Some can't show some aspect of their game in practice (tackle breaking, tackling, physicality in general, etc.). Coaches lean one way. They'll favor "their" guys or experience or combine times or whatever. Contracts are another factor. The fact is that guys come off the bench and play just as well if not better all the time. You see this regularly at the RB position in the NFL with all the injuries.

  • McCown will not take the Browns to a playoff game. They wasted 5 million on him. There was good quarterbacks later in the draft.

  • Eh. Sounds like you think offensive linemen are a "dime a dozen"..... just my imagination...

  • i was arguing with some JF fag on google+ all weekend on a browns post. some people are STILL just blinded by manziel that they call into question the reasoning behind starting mccown and 'we need to see what johnny has', throwing up mccown's record as a buc and really not seeing the whole picture as a brown's fan but a fan of the kid. when i brought up how bad manziel looked when he started last year out came the excuses.

    as i said to him, i think pettine and co. are a bit more qualified than you or me to determine who the best QB will be to start for the browns. i hope manziel does blossom into a starter, and a good one. but the clock is ticking. hell i loved the gilbert pick but if the kid doesn't show improvement this year i'll write him off like a bad client dinner.

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  • Here is an interesting quote I just pulled from NFL.com......

    "We'll try to make it up by having one of the best defenses, so we'll keep other teams from scoring many points. And we'll be able to run the ball and hopefully control the clock. And we'll continue to get better on special teams. So if we can do those three things, all we need is consistent play out of our quarterbacks -- they don't have to be superheroes."

    Could be a word for word quote from Pettine....right?...except it's Dan Obrien talking about Hoyer.....

    Looks like the Texans have the same plan that we do.....ha!

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Here is an interesting quote I just pulled from NFL.com......

    "We'll try to make it up by having one of the best defenses, so we'll keep other teams from scoring many points. And we'll be able to run the ball and hopefully control the clock. And we'll continue to get better on special teams. So if we can do those three things, all we need is consistent play out of our quarterbacks -- they don't have to be superheroes."

    Could be a word for word quote from Pettine....right?...except it's Dan Obrien talking about Hoyer.....

    Looks like the Texans have the same plan that we do.....ha!

    @mudfly said:

    Here is an interesting quote I just pulled from NFL.com......

    "We'll try to make it up by having one of the best defenses, so we'll keep other teams from scoring many points. And we'll be able to run the ball and hopefully control the clock. And we'll continue to get better on special teams. So if we can do those three things, all we need is consistent play out of our quarterbacks -- they don't have to be superheroes."

    Could be a word for word quote from Pettine....right?...except it's Dan Obrien talking about Hoyer.....

    Looks like the Texans have the same plan that we do.....ha!

    Sure does sound like a quote from Pettine. I like the strategy. We are building a solid team of players for the long term and we will be competitive in the short term. We surprised the league last season with a little over half way through the season and we were in first place at 6-3 until injuries took it's toll. We will have more depth and talent this season.

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @mudfly said:

    Here is an interesting quote I just pulled from NFL.com......

    "We'll try to make it up by having one of the best defenses, so we'll keep other teams from scoring many points. And we'll be able to run the ball and hopefully control the clock. And we'll continue to get better on special teams. So if we can do those three things, all we need is consistent play out of our quarterbacks -- they don't have to be superheroes."

    Could be a word for word quote from Pettine....right?...except it's Dan Obrien talking about Hoyer.....

    Looks like the Texans have the same plan that we do.....ha!

    Sure does sound like a quote from Pettine. I like the strategy. We are building a solid team of players for the long term and we will be competitive in the short term. We surprised the league last season with a little over half way through the season and we were in first place at 6-3 until injuries took it's toll. We will have more depth and talent this season.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Sure does sound like a quote from Pettine. I like the strategy. We are building a solid team of players for the long term and we will be competitive in the short term. We surprised the league last season with a little over half way through the season and we were in first place at 6-3 until injuries took it's toll. We will have more depth and talent this season.

    I'm obviously for having a great overall team, but there's just no way you will ever be a serious contender in the NFL nowadays without franchise level QB play. Look at the playoffs last year-the common denominator of every team sans the Cardinals is a franchise QB. The cardinals got walloped (I was at that game and saw it happen) because they simply didn't have a good QB in the game.

    Don't get me wrong here, I actually like the draft strategy and it's not "wrong" to find the QB last after having a good team. But the idea that you can have a Brian Hoyer type QB (which I'm all too worried McCown will be) and be anything more than a mediocre team is a farce. It's not some crazy opinion but the simple fact is until we get our true franchise level QB we will never be consistently good. It's plain as day to see when you look at the NFL too.

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