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At best I would give the Browns 4 for 4 plus a tie....if we give them a draw on the Pouncey/Mack debate.
Will you do that?
No, Mack is as good as there is at his position.
Z
Zombo said:
No, Mack is as good as there is at his position.
Z
Yes, Pouncey is better.
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Zombo said:
So ... five for five then, and that doesn't include our first round draft pick.
Next ...
Next? 11-5 vs 7-9 Next.
31-10 next.
Zombo
Zombo said:
31-10 next.
Zombo
65-57 Next.
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Zombo said:
No, Mack is as good as there is at his position.
Z
Yes, Pouncey is better.
Yes, Pouncey is better.
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
He was absolutely dominating from the center position last year before his injury. Pouncey is solid, but not as good as Mack.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
31-10 next.
Zombo
65-57 Next.
65-57 Next.
8-6 Next.
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Next ...
How about the defensive backfield.
LCB: Joe Haden vs. Cortez Allen
SS: Donte Whitner vs. Shamarko Thomas
FS: Tashaun Gipson vs. Mike Mitchell
RCB: Tramon Williams vs. William Gay
I don't see a position where the Browns lose the comparison. Do any of you?
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How about the defensive backfield.
LCB: Joe Haden vs. Cortez Allen
SS: Donte Whitner vs. Shamarko Thomas
FS: Tashaun Gipson vs. Mike Mitchell
RCB: Tramon Williams vs. William Gay
I don't see a position where the Browns lose the comparison. Do any of you?
Browns win hands down.
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Yes, Pouncey is better.
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
He was absolutely dominating from the center position last year before his injury. Pouncey is solid, but not as good as Mack.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
He was absolutely dominating from the center position last year before his injury. Pouncey is solid, but not as good as Mack.
Zombo
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'll admit, I don't watch Mack every weekend. I watch Pouncey and he's a beast. He runs down the field like a fullback. He pulls. He's a fantastic athlete. I actually met him a few weeks ago at a Texas Roadhouse near my home. I got a picture of him with my 11 year old son. I'm 6' and around 275lbs. He towered over me and his hand was like a softball glove. I was impressed.
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Using the same PFF rating system, here is the break out for 2014....by position/group, Browns won hands down.....
Stillers were stronger at RB....QB....DL ....
Browns were stronger at CB....S....OLB....ILB....OL....WR...
TE was a wash......
Using the same PFF rating system, here is the break out for 2014....by position/group, Browns won hands down.....
Stillers were stronger at RB....QB....DL ....
Browns were stronger at CB....S....OLB....ILB....OL....WR...
TE was a wash......
I'm confused how the Browns could be rated higher at ILB and WR. Doesn't make sense. Your TE's were better than Heath Miller? Again, I'd really like to see what the ratings are based on.
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Zombo said:
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
He was absolutely dominating from the center position last year before his injury. Pouncey is solid, but not as good as Mack.
Zombo
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'll admit, I don't watch Mack every weekend. I watch Pouncey and he's a beast. He runs down the field like a fullback. He pulls. He's a fantastic athlete. I actually met him a few weeks ago at a Texas Roadhouse near my home. I got a picture of him with my 11 year old son. I'm 6' and around 275lbs. He towered over me and his hand was like a softball glove. I was impressed.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'll admit, I don't watch Mack every weekend. I watch Pouncey and he's a beast. He runs down the field like a fullback. He pulls. He's a fantastic athlete. I actually met him a few weeks ago at a Texas Roadhouse near my home. I got a picture of him with my 11 year old son. I'm 6' and around 275lbs. He towered over me and his hand was like a softball glove. I was impressed.
Alright, we will agree to disagree, we'll see how they each do this year. Our guy Tourma does a great rating and recap of our OL each week, and I remember Mack was just scoring off the charts each week whether it was good one or bad for the rest of the line.
6' 275lb ... it wouldn't kill ya to mix in a salad every now and then.
Zombo
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Now, here is the Front Seven on Defense....I am going two deep on these as I think this is the one area on a team where there is the most need for depth.
RDE Desmond Bryant/John Hughes ....vs...Cameron Heyward/Cam Thomas
NT: Danny Shelton/Phil Taylor...vs...Steve McClendon/Daniel McCullers
LDE: Randy Starks/Billy Winn/X. Cooper...vs...Stephon Tuitt/Clifton Geathers
LOLB: Barkevious Mingo/Armonty Bryant...vs...Arthur Moats/Bud Dupree
LILB: Karlos Dansby/Tank Carder...vs....Ryan Shazier/Sean Spence
RILB: Craig Robertson/Christian Kirksey...vs....Lawrence Timmons/Vince Williams
ROLB: Paul Kruger/Nate Orchard...vs...James Harrison/Jarvis Jones
Italics=rookies
Choose who you think wins these matchups.
Now, here is the Front Seven on Defense....I am going two deep on these as I think this is the one area on a team where there is the most need for depth.
RDE Desmond Bryant/John Hughes ....vs...Cameron Heyward/Cam Thomas
NT: Danny Shelton/Phil Taylor...vs...Steve McClendon/Daniel McCullers
LDE: Randy Starks/Billy Winn/X. Cooper...vs...Stephon Tuitt/Clifton Geathers
LOLB: Barkevious Mingo/Armonty Bryant...vs...Arthur Moats/Bud Dupree
LILB: Karlos Dansby/Tank Carder...vs....Ryan Shazier/Sean Spence
RILB: Craig Robertson/Christian Kirksey...vs....Lawrence Timmons/Vince Williams
ROLB: Paul Kruger/Nate Orchard...vs...James Harrison/Jarvis Jones
Italics=rookies
Choose who you think wins these matchups.
I can't speak about the Browns players. I can tell you Cam Heyward is fantastic. All hustle, good leader, very strong. He applies a lot of pressure.
Cam Thomas is garbage and outside of a flood of injuries I don't see how he makes the team.
Steve Mclendon played with a shoulder injury last year. Very strong 2 gap player that I have a high opinion of.
Dan McCullers was a rookie spot player last year who started at times late in the season due to injuries. He's a house, like 6'8" 350. Tough to move.
Stephon Tuitt was a rook out of ND and really got better over the course of the year. He'll start this year and expectations are high.
Arthur Moats is an average journeyman type player who I expect will start at the beginning and eventually be replaced by Dupree when he's ready.
Jones was injured last year after having 2 sacks in 3 games. He came back but had a hard time and had to split with Harrison.
Harrison continues to be a beast who will get situational pass rush opportunities this year. Love the guy.
Shazier fought injuries last year but flashed when he played. I expect him and Timmons to become one of the best tandems in the NFL by years end.
Vince Williams and Sean Spence have been solid backups. Larry Foote type players.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I'll admit, I don't watch Mack every weekend. I watch Pouncey and he's a beast. He runs down the field like a fullback. He pulls. He's a fantastic athlete. I actually met him a few weeks ago at a Texas Roadhouse near my home. I got a picture of him with my 11 year old son. I'm 6' and around 275lbs. He towered over me and his hand was like a softball glove. I was impressed.
Alright, we will agree to disagree, we'll see how they each do this year. Our guy Tourma does a great rating and recap of our OL each week, and I remember Mack was just scoring off the charts each week whether it was good one or bad for the rest of the line.
6' 275lb ... it wouldn't kill ya to mix in a salad every now and then.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Alright, we will agree to disagree, we'll see how they each do this year. Our guy Tourma does a great rating and recap of our OL each week, and I remember Mack was just scoring off the charts each week whether it was good one or bad for the rest of the line.
6' 275lb ... it wouldn't kill ya to mix in a salad every now and then.
Zombo
I eat a lot of salad. I just have a head the size of a volkswagen.
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Yeah, when you're talking about who has more fans in Columbus and Harrisburg the season needs to start like right now.
Go look at the thread on Schizophrenic cities.....it deals exactly with this subject. This issue may not seem important to us in the heart of Browns country or in the heart of Steeler country.....but it seems an issue for the folks in those parts.
To PA it may be no big thing whether Harrisburg is Steeler or Eagle backers....as it is such a small market compared to Philly and Pitt. But Columbus is a different deal in this state as though the entire market still is 3rd behind Cleve/Cinci...it is not that far behind. So it is a big segment of the state.
To NFL teams the important thing of course is money. Can the Browns outtrump the Bengals for the Columbus NFL dollar? That is what these team execs worry about. It may not be as big as Can the Steelers outtrump the Eagles for the Harrisburg dollar? Just not as many dollars at stake.
Go look at the thread on Schizophrenic cities.....it deals exactly with this subject. This issue may not seem important to us in the heart of Browns country or in the heart of Steeler country.....but it seems an issue for the folks in those parts.
To PA it may be no big thing whether Harrisburg is Steeler or Eagle backers....as it is such a small market compared to Philly and Pitt. But Columbus is a different deal in this state as though the entire market still is 3rd behind Cleve/Cinci...it is not that far behind. So it is a big segment of the state.
To NFL teams the important thing of course is money. Can the Browns outtrump the Bengals for the Columbus NFL dollar? That is what these team execs worry about. It may not be as big as Can the Steelers outtrump the Eagles for the Harrisburg dollar? Just not as many dollars at stake.
Exactly! I've lived in Columbus, OH for two years and there are a few things to keep in mind:
1. Columbus isn't like most state capitals, it's a huge city with a lot of hearts and minds for an NFL team to capture.
2. Just like myself, a huge portion of the city is a transient population. This is a growing city with people moving from all over the Midwest and Northeast. I can personally verify this after my very first night in this city!
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Didn't see this bearded fuck in your analysis, did he retire?
Safe to say they haven't made up the three TDs they lost to us by last time we played.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Didn't see this bearded fuck in your analysis, did he retire?
Safe to say they haven't made up the three TDs they lost to us by last time we played.
Zombo
Our quadrennial, haphazard loss to the Browns. Coinciding with the frequency of the World Cup.
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Zombo said:
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
He was absolutely dominating from the center position last year before his injury. Pouncey is solid, but not as good as Mack.
Zombo
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'll admit, I don't watch Mack every weekend. I watch Pouncey and he's a beast. He runs down the field like a fullback. He pulls. He's a fantastic athlete. I actually met him a few weeks ago at a Texas Roadhouse near my home. I got a picture of him with my 11 year old son. I'm 6' and around 275lbs. He towered over me and his hand was like a softball glove. I was impressed.
I'm 6' and around 275lbs. He towered over me and his hand was like a softball glove. I was impressed.
At 6ft 275lbs. with children, and loves salads to control his large head, seriously we login as Trolling for dick. That just sounds Stockton Shortish
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Zombo said:
Didn't see this bearded fuck in your analysis, did he retire?
Safe to say they haven't made up the three TDs they lost to us by last time we played.
Zombo
Our quadrennial, haphazard loss to the Browns. Coinciding with the frequency of the World Cup.
lol. Yes, for the last two decades when we actually had a team, I will give you that. The picture and the score you see in it, however, is a sign of things to come.Our quadrennial, haphazard loss to the Browns. Coinciding with the frequency of the World Cup.
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I'm 6' and around 275lbs. He towered over me and his hand was like a softball glove. I was impressed.
At 6ft 275lbs. with children, and loves salads to control his large head, seriously we login as Trolling for dick. That just sounds Stockton Shortish
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My name was "Unbiased" but apparently Trolling for dick sounded better to Zombo. It's a badge of honor at this point.
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Yes, Pouncey is better.
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
He was absolutely dominating from the center position last year before his injury. Pouncey is solid, but not as good as Mack.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
Zombo
But 3 is pretty close to 5...except that Pouncey is 3.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014/page/34
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Zombo said:
Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
Zombo
But 3 is pretty close to 5...except that Pouncey is 3.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014/page/34
Stuart said:
But 3 is pretty close to 5...except that Pouncey is 3.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014/page/34
"Even playing in only five games this past season, Alex Mack (6'4", 311 lbs) ranks in the top five among centers in the NFL. He finished with just enough snaps to qualify for our list and no doubt would have ranked higher if he was healthy throughout the year. "
No doubt ...
Z
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Stuart said:
But 3 is pretty close to 5...except that Pouncey is 3.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491579-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-centers-from-2014/page/34
"Even playing in only five games this past season, Alex Mack (6'4", 311 lbs) ranks in the top five among centers in the NFL. He finished with just enough snaps to qualify for our list and no doubt would have ranked higher if he was healthy throughout the year. "
No doubt ...
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Zombo said:
"Even playing in only five games this past season, Alex Mack (6'4", 311 lbs) ranks in the top five among centers in the NFL. He finished with just enough snaps to qualify for our list and no doubt would have ranked higher if he was healthy throughout the year. "
No doubt ...
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4 is higher.
But lets not lose track of what you said....Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
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Zombo said:
"Even playing in only five games this past season, Alex Mack (6'4", 311 lbs) ranks in the top five among centers in the NFL. He finished with just enough snaps to qualify for our list and no doubt would have ranked higher if he was healthy throughout the year. "
No doubt ...
Z
4 is higher.
But lets not lose track of what you said....Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
Browns fans would rather have Mack. Stiller fans would rather have Pouncey. I guess we both get what we want. Awesome.Stuart said:
4 is higher.
But lets not lose track of what you said....Mack is better, and it's not even close, Bud.
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