Jonathan Paul Manziel

JAFBF

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
And the best man has been McCown.

Not what I saw, but as I said, it's just a stinkin' Scrimmage . . . it's not even a Pre-Season game yet . . . and we all know those mean squat.

miktoxic

uh mccown looked better tonight, given the fact that he'd played vs. the ones D and not the twos. not discounting the fact that manziel looked a lot better than i've ever seen him look in a brown's uni.

D Bone

@miktoxic said:
uh mccown looked better tonight, given the fact that he'd played vs. the ones D and not the twos. not discounting the fact that manziel looked a lot better than i've ever seen him look in a brown's uni.

Same things I saw

wargograw

Darn eastern time threw me off so I missed it.

Canton Dawg

Unofficially Manziel was 9-for-11 for 93 yards with two TDs (sacked once by Nate Orchard).

JAFBF

I saw a much improved JM, but that not a difficult accomplishment in light of last year performance . . .

McCown was on Par, but taking #1's in comparison to #2's I'll defer to other on this Board that he was better.

wargograw

So did Johnny get any reps with the 1s? I've read both that he did and that he didn't.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@wargograw said:
I know. The point was he is taking a shot at Hoyer. Otherwise that comment is just out of left field.

That makes so much more sense.

wargograw

Yeah. I posted a note on the day we signed McCown that the owner of Texags.com had posted. He's good friends w Johnny so I really thought it was a good indication of the feelings from Johnny's camp.

He praised the signing and said Hoyer was not a good teammate at all and leaked made up stuff about Johnny. I got ripped for posting it but I don't know how you don't come to any other conclusion with that Farmer quote.

Canton Dawg

@wargograw said:
So did Johnny get any reps with the 1s? I've read both that he did and that he didn't.

Tony Grossi tweeted. . .

@TonyGrossi: Looks like Johnny Manziel will get some time with 1s now. Josh McCown on field wearing baseball cap.

TexasAg1969

Since Johnny stepped into rehab and McCown signed, things are going just the way I would have hoped for all Browns fans. This is going to be a good team in the long run. The days of woe are nearing an end for the longest suffering fans anywhere. Hope is slowly but surely leading to reality.

Canton Dawg

@texasag1969 said:
Since Johnny stepped into rehab and McCown signed, things are going just the way I would have hoped for all Browns fans. This is going to be a good team in the long run. The days of woe are nearing an end for the longest suffering fans anywhere. Hope is slowly but surely leading to reality.

Amen.

tiamat63

@wargograw said:
So fumbling a ball (and then scoring) means his decision making sucks? News to me.

Did you see the play? I'm sure you have. I know you saw a great play. I saw tons of athletic ability and little actual quarterbacking apart from keeping his eyes down field.

gumby73

Truly neither QB played with the 1's. Mack never saw 11on 11's. Mack played up to 7 on 7's. Fine with me. Both QB's played well and that's along time coming out of me. OL and backs out of sync, No screens, No Mack at C may have helped or a better D front maybe to blame, either way good for us. Orchard got credit for sack but Shelton forced it, big time. Good for both doing their jobs they were brought in here to do. Don't ask M. Moore if Danny plays sideline to sidelines. (my 40 time my azz)

wargograw

@tiamat63 said:
Did you see the play? I'm sure you have. I know you saw a great play. I saw tons of athletic ability and little actual quarterbacking apart from keeping his eyes down field.

Ok. But you cited it under "poor decision making." You mislabeled.

I could just as easily respond "yes I saw a great play because the kid made something out of nothing." If we could get a list of what counts as "actual quarterbacking," that'd be great, because apparently scrambling against the best front 7 in the country and throwing a TD against the best defense in the country doesn't.

wargograw

@gumby73 said:
Truly neither QB played with the 1's. Mack never saw 11on 11's. Mack played up to 7 on 7's. Fine with me. Both QB's played well and that's along time coming out of me. OL and backs out of sync, No screens, No Mack at C may have helped or a better D front maybe to blame, either way good for us. Orchard got credit for sack but Shelton forced it, big time. Good for both doing their jobs they were brought in here to do. Don't ask M. Moore if Danny plays sideline to sidelines. (my 40 time my azz)

So Mack was the only starter out? I don't know why it's so hard to get to the bottom of this. Did Johnny play with JT, Bito, Hawk, Gabriel, etc. or not?

wargograw

From MKC:

#browns manziel didn't work with the 1st team offense like pettine said he probably would but still had a nice night: 9/11 93 yards 2 TDs

gumby73

War, your the best at answering your own questions cause you sure don't like what we tell you anyhow. if you would just read only what's there. In MKC YOU trust. Not here, her story will change again tomorrow..

tiamat63

@wargograw said:

Ok. But you cited it under "poor decision making." You mislabeled.

I could just as easily respond "yes I saw a great play because the kid made something out of nothing." If we could get a list of what counts as "actual quarterbacking," that'd be great, because apparently scrambling against the best front 7 in the country and throwing a TD against the best defense in the country doesn't.

It was poor decision making. Not tucking the ball, running into his own lineman which forced the ball out of his hands. He was a lucky break away from that being mark Sanchez 2.0

wargograw

Yeah must have been luck even though he was able to replicate it about 5x. Come on man.

Gumby, don't take it so personally. I'm not even sure what your answer meant. "Neither guy went with the 1s because Mack sat out"? Umm, ok. MKC is a hack but this ought to be pretty straight forward.