Preseason game one
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It's only the first preseason game so no need to overreact. There were a lot
of good things but I will focus on the problems I observed.
1.As noted we can't stop the run or run the ball.
2. Justin Gilbert still looks like a bust.
3.We better not have any injuries on our O-line. Outside of Erving
it looks bad. Michael Bowie may have had one of the worst games I
have seen an offensive lineman have in a long time. Seymour
wasn't much better.
4.Expanding on can't stop the run, it was mostly on our outside backers
not maintaing the edge. If you are playing a 3-4 (I know we play a hybrid)
you are not supposed to be able to run wide but the Redskins killed us
all night running outside.
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It's only the first preseason game so no need to overreact. There were a lot
of good things but I will focus on the problems I observed.
1.As noted we can't stop the run or run the ball.
2. Justin Gilbert still looks like a bust.
3.We better not have any injuries on our O-line. Outside of Erving
it looks bad. Michael Bowie may have had one of the worst games I
have seen an offensive lineman have in a long time. Seymour
wasn't much better.
4.Expanding on can't stop the run, it was mostly on our outside backers
not maintaing the edge. If you are playing a 3-4 (I know we play a hybrid)
you are not supposed to be able to run wide but the Redskins killed us
all night running outside.
It's only the first preseason game so no need to overreact. There were a lot
of good things but I will focus on the problems I observed.
1.As noted we can't stop the run or run the ball.
2. Justin Gilbert still looks like a bust.
3.We better not have any injuries on our O-line. Outside of Erving
it looks bad. Michael Bowie may have had one of the worst games I
have seen an offensive lineman have in a long time. Seymour
wasn't much better.
4.Expanding on can't stop the run, it was mostly on our outside backers
not maintaing the edge. If you are playing a 3-4 (I know we play a hybrid)
you are not supposed to be able to run wide but the Redskins killed us
all night running outside.
you say don't overreact but that's exactly what you did in your post.
gilbert is not a bust. the kid needs time, just like manziel, and i thought he was the bust.
shows you how much a fan knows.....
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That play to me looks like Gilbert was having some footing issues - saw a few slides by other players last night and am wondering if the field was a bit slick in spots.
He should of at least knocked the receiver out of bounds if he couldn't make the tackle. Gilbert is athletically gifted, it's what he has between his ears that's concerning.
He should of at least knocked the receiver out of bounds if he couldn't make the tackle. Gilbert is athletically gifted, it's what he has between his ears that's concerning.
That's what scares me. Not grasping the playbook, getting the nuances of the position - sure, I can get that. But, the receiver catches the ball by the side line and the first instinct isn't to just knock him out of bounds? That worries me. I mean, he overplayed and gave up the inside leverage, so the receiver could spin him, but he still needs to make that tackle.
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re-watching the telecast now (as of 1 am last night i was pretty snockered).
am i the only that thinks our special teams coach tabor is insane? dude looks like he just did an eight ball and left the hustler club before joining the team on the sidelines....
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I think you forgot about this flawless play. . .
Whatever....I dont judge a whole game based upon one or 2 plays......
I could find a missed tackle or bad play on every guy out there......
Honestly....want to see bad play that stood out?....watch Orchard and Kruger against the run.....or our O line trying to block for Shaw and JFF....
Gilberts play was nowhere near as bad as some of these guys......seriously.....
Whatever....I dont judge a whole game based upon one or 2 plays......
I could find a missed tackle or bad play on every guy out there......
Honestly....want to see bad play that stood out?....watch Orchard and Kruger against the run.....or our O line trying to block for Shaw and JFF....
Gilberts play was nowhere near as bad as some of these guys......seriously.....
We passed on some serious talent for Justin Gilbert.
If you want to say you can't judge a guy on 1 or 2 plays you're missing the point.
He's soft, he can't tackle, and he shows ZERO effort at times. It's very concerning
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It's only the first preseason game so no need to overreact. There were a lot
of good things but I will focus on the problems I observed.
1.As noted we can't stop the run or run the ball.
2. Justin Gilbert still looks like a bust.
3.We better not have any injuries on our O-line. Outside of Erving
it looks bad. Michael Bowie may have had one of the worst games I
have seen an offensive lineman have in a long time. Seymour
wasn't much better.
4.Expanding on can't stop the run, it was mostly on our outside backers
not maintaing the edge. If you are playing a 3-4 (I know we play a hybrid)
you are not supposed to be able to run wide but the Redskins killed us
all night running outside.
you say don't overreact but that's exactly what you did in your post.
gilbert is not a bust. the kid needs time, just like manziel, and i thought he was the bust.
shows you how much a fan knows.....
you say don't overreact but that's exactly what you did in your post.
gilbert is not a bust. the kid needs time, just like manziel, and i thought he was the bust.
shows you how much a fan knows.....
I didn't overreact I only made some observations. Things can change. It's ONLY an observation based
on a scrimmage. IMO Gilbert being a top ten pick should be better NOW not later. He is running behind
Desir a late round pick and behind Williams a UFA. He has time but he needs to pick it up . He LOOKS like
a bust but not necessarily IS a bust yet.
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I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
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Pro's -
McCown
Manziel
Shelton
Kirksey
Cooper
Bibbs
Hartline
Cons -
Gilbert
Housler
Erving struggled quite a bit but I'd expect that from a rookie on the outside
Thad Lewis
The RB's
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I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
Good summary.
Some plays that come to mind were Shelton & Cooper. Those two will give offensive coordinators fits this year. Shelton's play reminds me of Suh, a big push up the middle. Cooper's first step is very quick, I can see him making some hits in the backfield.
I can say I've always liked the play from Brian Hartline, he reminds me of a Brian Brennan or Joe Jureviscious. He's no bolt of lightning, but he catches anything thrown his way and he will help move the sticks.
McCown was a pleasant surprise, he looked better than I expected. JM looked more comfortable in the pocket, but what scares me is he was also our leading rusher.
There were some highlights & lowlights last night, but I'm not going panic. It was the first preseason game of the year, nothing more nothing less.
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Stopping the interior run was clearly a priority last night and I suspect had a lot to do with our trouble on the edge.
Fact is, if you can stop the straight line power you won't stop the off tackle runs either. So being stronger up the middle is very encouraging to me.
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I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
Agreed on the Uniforms. They look cheap. Like the old style better.
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PFF grades are out. Pretty dang good first team offense. Every starter except Mack, Hawkins, and Erving with a positive number.
Don't use Bibbs as a run blocker....
Grades confirm that McCown was as good as anyone in the league. Johnny and Shaw both in the black as well!
2nd team OL on the other hand....turrble.
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yeah man, even tho it seems we have more depth, some of that depth belongs there.......buried deep under the blue sea.
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Shelton threw up an elite grade for 14 snaps! Whoooo!!
I'm interested to hear what you saw (assuming you saw the game) and not what you read on pff..........
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I saw him look like a complete BA, like everyone else. But it's nice to see confirmation.
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You know who had a heck of a game, especially against the run? Jamie Meder. Highest grade on the team.
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The one guy I noted that had a very strong game was Ibraheim Campbell. Not getting much talk or accolades, but he was always around the ball....run or pass.....and made some real nice hits and tackles......
He's looking like a possible unheralded sleeper who could rise fast......
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You know who had a heck of a game, especially against the run? Jamie Meder. Highest grade on the team.
Jamie Meder. Highest grade on the team.
I think he got extra points for mangling that poor guys leg with the full body take down....
I hate seeing those things.....because youch!....but it was a grrrrrreat play!
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