Preseason game one
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It's only the first preseason game so no need to overreact. There were a lot
of good things but I will focus on the problems I observed.
1.As noted we can't stop the run or run the ball.
2. Justin Gilbert still looks like a bust.
3.We better not have any injuries on our O-line. Outside of Erving
it looks bad. Michael Bowie may have had one of the worst games I
have seen an offensive lineman have in a long time. Seymour
wasn't much better.
4.Expanding on can't stop the run, it was mostly on our outside backers
not maintaing the edge. If you are playing a 3-4 (I know we play a hybrid)
you are not supposed to be able to run wide but the Redskins killed us
all night running outside.
you say don't overreact but that's exactly what you did in your post.
gilbert is not a bust. the kid needs time, just like manziel, and i thought he was the bust.
shows you how much a fan knows.....
you say don't overreact but that's exactly what you did in your post.
gilbert is not a bust. the kid needs time, just like manziel, and i thought he was the bust.
shows you how much a fan knows.....
I didn't overreact I only made some observations. Things can change. It's ONLY an observation based
on a scrimmage. IMO Gilbert being a top ten pick should be better NOW not later. He is running behind
Desir a late round pick and behind Williams a UFA. He has time but he needs to pick it up . He LOOKS like
a bust but not necessarily IS a bust yet.
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I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
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Pro's -
McCown
Manziel
Shelton
Kirksey
Cooper
Bibbs
Hartline
Cons -
Gilbert
Housler
Erving struggled quite a bit but I'd expect that from a rookie on the outside
Thad Lewis
The RB's
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I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
Good summary.
Some plays that come to mind were Shelton & Cooper. Those two will give offensive coordinators fits this year. Shelton's play reminds me of Suh, a big push up the middle. Cooper's first step is very quick, I can see him making some hits in the backfield.
I can say I've always liked the play from Brian Hartline, he reminds me of a Brian Brennan or Joe Jureviscious. He's no bolt of lightning, but he catches anything thrown his way and he will help move the sticks.
McCown was a pleasant surprise, he looked better than I expected. JM looked more comfortable in the pocket, but what scares me is he was also our leading rusher.
There were some highlights & lowlights last night, but I'm not going panic. It was the first preseason game of the year, nothing more nothing less.
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Stopping the interior run was clearly a priority last night and I suspect had a lot to do with our trouble on the edge.
Fact is, if you can stop the straight line power you won't stop the off tackle runs either. So being stronger up the middle is very encouraging to me.
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I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
I pretty much agree with everyone on what they saw, but I'll add.......
Pros:
This year's rookies look impressive
McCown looked better than I hoped
WR core impressed
Team looked very organized
Few penalties
ST's looked good
DL played well
Cons:
Run D
LBs ....... All of them
Players still not simply doing their job - LBs especially
Gilbert vs true NFL WRs (not the future insurance salesmen he covered later in the night)
LBs
Unis.... Y U C K - "Straight outta Walmart"
LBs
Agreed on the Uniforms. They look cheap. Like the old style better.
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PFF grades are out. Pretty dang good first team offense. Every starter except Mack, Hawkins, and Erving with a positive number.
Don't use Bibbs as a run blocker....
Grades confirm that McCown was as good as anyone in the league. Johnny and Shaw both in the black as well!
2nd team OL on the other hand....turrble.
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yeah man, even tho it seems we have more depth, some of that depth belongs there.......buried deep under the blue sea.
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Shelton threw up an elite grade for 14 snaps! Whoooo!!
I'm interested to hear what you saw (assuming you saw the game) and not what you read on pff..........
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I saw him look like a complete BA, like everyone else. But it's nice to see confirmation.
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You know who had a heck of a game, especially against the run? Jamie Meder. Highest grade on the team.
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The one guy I noted that had a very strong game was Ibraheim Campbell. Not getting much talk or accolades, but he was always around the ball....run or pass.....and made some real nice hits and tackles......
He's looking like a possible unheralded sleeper who could rise fast......
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You know who had a heck of a game, especially against the run? Jamie Meder. Highest grade on the team.
Jamie Meder. Highest grade on the team.
I think he got extra points for mangling that poor guys leg with the full body take down....
I hate seeing those things.....because youch!....but it was a grrrrrreat play!
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Just watched my midnight recording for the first time. Here are my impressions...
Announcers: Patrick is a bit long in the tooth, but I always liked his ESPN broadcasts in the early SNF days. Wilcotts on the other hand... the dude just gives analysis a bad name. I likely won't have to suffer the pair again this preseason... my sympathies to those who do.
New Uniforms: Teams colors should inspire more than nausea. All the daylight video of practice did not prepare me for how bad the new orange would look under the lights. And I missed the glossy helmets. But my reaction may be my old, color-blind eyes which could barely discern the helmet logo painted at mid-field.
Preparation: Until very late in the game the team looked remarkably prepared with neither substitution issues nor players lining up improperly nor pre-snap penalties.
QBs: McCown looked the game manager part complete with pocket presence. Arm looked good. Ability to extend plays is a bonus... we got a bonus.
JM looked better, but playing safe is not the same as managing the position. I'd love a 22 read on his reads. Aside from one hot route, not sure he made any. Seemed to overreact to pressure, but TD run was very decisive and included nice job of setting up a block by Moore. Questions remain, but you crawl before you walk, walk before...
Shaw's arm looked stronger than I remember it. He has to feel pressure a bit earlier.
Thad looked like an early cut candidate.
RBs: Overall I feel like I saw why Ray Rice is being vetted...
Crow looked jacked up... maybe by Montgomery's recent words. He lacked patience and seemed to be racing his line to the edge. Instead he needs to glide behind them until a crack appears as he did last year. Nice run after his swing pass reception.
West looked lethargic.
Only other RB of note was Flanders who flashed a couple times including a blitz pick up or two. Might have a PS shot...Johnson looked like a FB.
WRs: Hartline looked ready to go.By this time Benji should be able to set up his DB and get deep...
Jennings may be the surprise of the nite. In addition to his 2 catches he had a very nice KO return in which he hesitated to set up a block (by Johnson IIRC). Our RBs should watch that return...
Mayle's hands looked plenty sticky.
TEs: Familiar pair started.
Bibbs made a strong H-back case. Hard to see him not making the 53.
I swear I saw Housler on the back of a jersey... on Special Teams.
O-line: Did some coach clicker stuff early. Debating on doing a full grading.
Mack played one series and looked good. Seymore filled in and did not.
Bito and Greco looked very good. Greco was the 2nd starter to sit; Bito the 3rd IIRC.
Erving played LT until Thad came in. Looked like a good rookie. Was surprised he did not get a series or two at Center.
Schwartz played deeper into the game than all the starters save Erving... good idea as Mitch has a history of starting slow.
Of our unknowns Painter looked decent subbing for Greco at RG early. I think Bowie started at RT and moved to left when Erving finally sat.
D:
Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
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Just watched my midnight recording for the first time. Here are my impressions...
Announcers: Patrick is a bit long in the tooth, but I always liked his ESPN broadcasts in the early SNF days. Wilcotts on the other hand... the dude just gives analysis a bad name. I likely won't have to suffer the pair again this preseason... my sympathies to those who do.
New Uniforms: Teams colors should inspire more than nausea. All the daylight video of practice did not prepare me for how bad the new orange would look under the lights. And I missed the glossy helmets. But my reaction may be my old, color-blind eyes which could barely discern the helmet logo painted at mid-field.
Preparation: Until very late in the game the team looked remarkably prepared with neither substitution issues nor players lining up improperly nor pre-snap penalties.
QBs: McCown looked the game manager part complete with pocket presence. Arm looked good. Ability to extend plays is a bonus... we got a bonus.
JM looked better, but playing safe is not the same as managing the position. I'd love a 22 read on his reads. Aside from one hot route, not sure he made any. Seemed to overreact to pressure, but TD run was very decisive and included nice job of setting up a block by Moore. Questions remain, but you crawl before you walk, walk before...
Shaw's arm looked stronger than I remember it. He has to feel pressure a bit earlier.
Thad looked like an early cut candidate.
RBs: Overall I feel like I saw why Ray Rice is being vetted...
Crow looked jacked up... maybe by Montgomery's recent words. He lacked patience and seemed to be racing his line to the edge. Instead he needs to glide behind them until a crack appears as he did last year. Nice run after his swing pass reception.
West looked lethargic.
Only other RB of note was Flanders who flashed a couple times including a blitz pick up or two. Might have a PS shot...Johnson looked like a FB.
WRs: Hartline looked ready to go.By this time Benji should be able to set up his DB and get deep...
Jennings may be the surprise of the nite. In addition to his 2 catches he had a very nice KO return in which he hesitated to set up a block (by Johnson IIRC). Our RBs should watch that return...
Mayle's hands looked plenty sticky.
TEs: Familiar pair started.
Bibbs made a strong H-back case. Hard to see him not making the 53.
I swear I saw Housler on the back of a jersey... on Special Teams.
O-line: Did some coach clicker stuff early. Debating on doing a full grading.
Mack played one series and looked good. Seymore filled in and did not.
Bito and Greco looked very good. Greco was the 2nd starter to sit; Bito the 3rd IIRC.
Erving played LT until Thad came in. Looked like a good rookie. Was surprised he did not get a series or two at Center.
Schwartz played deeper into the game than all the starters save Erving... good idea as Mitch has a history of starting slow.
Of our unknowns Painter looked decent subbing for Greco at RG early. I think Bowie started at RT and moved to left when Erving finally sat.
D:
Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
Looks like we watched the same game.....
On the LB's, I gotta say the inside guys looked good.....Dansby and Kirksey both played well(I think Dansby had 4-5 tackles in only a couple series(16 snaps?).....saw Kirksey make some nice stops....even Carder & Pullard had some notable plays too....
For me, the worry is more the outside guys.....seems easy to expose their weaknesses.....
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Just watched my midnight recording for the first time. Here are my impressions...
Announcers: Patrick is a bit long in the tooth, but I always liked his ESPN broadcasts in the early SNF days. Wilcotts on the other hand... the dude just gives analysis a bad name. I likely won't have to suffer the pair again this preseason... my sympathies to those who do.
New Uniforms: Teams colors should inspire more than nausea. All the daylight video of practice did not prepare me for how bad the new orange would look under the lights. And I missed the glossy helmets. But my reaction may be my old, color-blind eyes which could barely discern the helmet logo painted at mid-field.
Preparation: Until very late in the game the team looked remarkably prepared with neither substitution issues nor players lining up improperly nor pre-snap penalties.
QBs: McCown looked the game manager part complete with pocket presence. Arm looked good. Ability to extend plays is a bonus... we got a bonus.
JM looked better, but playing safe is not the same as managing the position. I'd love a 22 read on his reads. Aside from one hot route, not sure he made any. Seemed to overreact to pressure, but TD run was very decisive and included nice job of setting up a block by Moore. Questions remain, but you crawl before you walk, walk before...
Shaw's arm looked stronger than I remember it. He has to feel pressure a bit earlier.
Thad looked like an early cut candidate.
RBs: Overall I feel like I saw why Ray Rice is being vetted...
Crow looked jacked up... maybe by Montgomery's recent words. He lacked patience and seemed to be racing his line to the edge. Instead he needs to glide behind them until a crack appears as he did last year. Nice run after his swing pass reception.
West looked lethargic.
Only other RB of note was Flanders who flashed a couple times including a blitz pick up or two. Might have a PS shot...Johnson looked like a FB.
WRs: Hartline looked ready to go.By this time Benji should be able to set up his DB and get deep...
Jennings may be the surprise of the nite. In addition to his 2 catches he had a very nice KO return in which he hesitated to set up a block (by Johnson IIRC). Our RBs should watch that return...
Mayle's hands looked plenty sticky.
TEs: Familiar pair started.
Bibbs made a strong H-back case. Hard to see him not making the 53.
I swear I saw Housler on the back of a jersey... on Special Teams.
O-line: Did some coach clicker stuff early. Debating on doing a full grading.
Mack played one series and looked good. Seymore filled in and did not.
Bito and Greco looked very good. Greco was the 2nd starter to sit; Bito the 3rd IIRC.
Erving played LT until Thad came in. Looked like a good rookie. Was surprised he did not get a series or two at Center.
Schwartz played deeper into the game than all the starters save Erving... good idea as Mitch has a history of starting slow.
Of our unknowns Painter looked decent subbing for Greco at RG early. I think Bowie started at RT and moved to left when Erving finally sat.
D:
Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
QBs: McCown looked the game manager part complete with pocket presence. Arm looked good. Ability to extend plays is a bonus... we got a bonus.
JM looked better, but playing safe is not the same as managing the position. I'd love a 22 read on his reads. Aside from one hot route, not sure he made any. Seemed to overreact to pressure, but TD run was very decisive and included nice job of setting up a block by Moore. Questions remain, but you crawl before you walk, walk before...
Shaw's arm looked stronger than I remember it. He has to feel pressure a bit earlier.
Thad looked like an early cut candidate.
Manziel I thought looked a lot better than I've ever seen him on pressure, which by my count they sent on 75% or so of his dropbacks. At least two times off the top of my head there were totally unblocked guys he managed to get away from, and the hot route was nice too.
He's not there yet by any means but I was happy to see it was better work coming from him.
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Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
Looks like we watched the same game.....
On the LB's, I gotta say the inside guys looked good.....Dansby and Kirksey both played well(I think Dansby had 4-5 tackles in only a couple series(16 snaps?).....saw Kirksey make some nice stops....even Carder & Pullard had some notable plays too....
For me, the worry is more the outside guys.....seems easy to expose their weaknesses.....
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Don't judge the run D till game 1. You have to "dig" hard to stop the run, no sense in getting anyone on the front 7 dinged up in preseason...especially game 1. If they let the run go again on opening day, than this defense is like I called it last year but none of you wanted to hear it.
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