Preseason game one
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Shelton threw up an elite grade for 14 snaps! Whoooo!!
I'm interested to hear what you saw (assuming you saw the game) and not what you read on pff..........
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I saw him look like a complete BA, like everyone else. But it's nice to see confirmation.
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You know who had a heck of a game, especially against the run? Jamie Meder. Highest grade on the team.
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The one guy I noted that had a very strong game was Ibraheim Campbell. Not getting much talk or accolades, but he was always around the ball....run or pass.....and made some real nice hits and tackles......
He's looking like a possible unheralded sleeper who could rise fast......
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You know who had a heck of a game, especially against the run? Jamie Meder. Highest grade on the team.
Jamie Meder. Highest grade on the team.
I think he got extra points for mangling that poor guys leg with the full body take down....
I hate seeing those things.....because youch!....but it was a grrrrrreat play!
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Just watched my midnight recording for the first time. Here are my impressions...
Announcers: Patrick is a bit long in the tooth, but I always liked his ESPN broadcasts in the early SNF days. Wilcotts on the other hand... the dude just gives analysis a bad name. I likely won't have to suffer the pair again this preseason... my sympathies to those who do.
New Uniforms: Teams colors should inspire more than nausea. All the daylight video of practice did not prepare me for how bad the new orange would look under the lights. And I missed the glossy helmets. But my reaction may be my old, color-blind eyes which could barely discern the helmet logo painted at mid-field.
Preparation: Until very late in the game the team looked remarkably prepared with neither substitution issues nor players lining up improperly nor pre-snap penalties.
QBs: McCown looked the game manager part complete with pocket presence. Arm looked good. Ability to extend plays is a bonus... we got a bonus.
JM looked better, but playing safe is not the same as managing the position. I'd love a 22 read on his reads. Aside from one hot route, not sure he made any. Seemed to overreact to pressure, but TD run was very decisive and included nice job of setting up a block by Moore. Questions remain, but you crawl before you walk, walk before...
Shaw's arm looked stronger than I remember it. He has to feel pressure a bit earlier.
Thad looked like an early cut candidate.
RBs: Overall I feel like I saw why Ray Rice is being vetted...
Crow looked jacked up... maybe by Montgomery's recent words. He lacked patience and seemed to be racing his line to the edge. Instead he needs to glide behind them until a crack appears as he did last year. Nice run after his swing pass reception.
West looked lethargic.
Only other RB of note was Flanders who flashed a couple times including a blitz pick up or two. Might have a PS shot...Johnson looked like a FB.
WRs: Hartline looked ready to go.By this time Benji should be able to set up his DB and get deep...
Jennings may be the surprise of the nite. In addition to his 2 catches he had a very nice KO return in which he hesitated to set up a block (by Johnson IIRC). Our RBs should watch that return...
Mayle's hands looked plenty sticky.
TEs: Familiar pair started.
Bibbs made a strong H-back case. Hard to see him not making the 53.
I swear I saw Housler on the back of a jersey... on Special Teams.
O-line: Did some coach clicker stuff early. Debating on doing a full grading.
Mack played one series and looked good. Seymore filled in and did not.
Bito and Greco looked very good. Greco was the 2nd starter to sit; Bito the 3rd IIRC.
Erving played LT until Thad came in. Looked like a good rookie. Was surprised he did not get a series or two at Center.
Schwartz played deeper into the game than all the starters save Erving... good idea as Mitch has a history of starting slow.
Of our unknowns Painter looked decent subbing for Greco at RG early. I think Bowie started at RT and moved to left when Erving finally sat.
D:
Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
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Just watched my midnight recording for the first time. Here are my impressions...
Announcers: Patrick is a bit long in the tooth, but I always liked his ESPN broadcasts in the early SNF days. Wilcotts on the other hand... the dude just gives analysis a bad name. I likely won't have to suffer the pair again this preseason... my sympathies to those who do.
New Uniforms: Teams colors should inspire more than nausea. All the daylight video of practice did not prepare me for how bad the new orange would look under the lights. And I missed the glossy helmets. But my reaction may be my old, color-blind eyes which could barely discern the helmet logo painted at mid-field.
Preparation: Until very late in the game the team looked remarkably prepared with neither substitution issues nor players lining up improperly nor pre-snap penalties.
QBs: McCown looked the game manager part complete with pocket presence. Arm looked good. Ability to extend plays is a bonus... we got a bonus.
JM looked better, but playing safe is not the same as managing the position. I'd love a 22 read on his reads. Aside from one hot route, not sure he made any. Seemed to overreact to pressure, but TD run was very decisive and included nice job of setting up a block by Moore. Questions remain, but you crawl before you walk, walk before...
Shaw's arm looked stronger than I remember it. He has to feel pressure a bit earlier.
Thad looked like an early cut candidate.
RBs: Overall I feel like I saw why Ray Rice is being vetted...
Crow looked jacked up... maybe by Montgomery's recent words. He lacked patience and seemed to be racing his line to the edge. Instead he needs to glide behind them until a crack appears as he did last year. Nice run after his swing pass reception.
West looked lethargic.
Only other RB of note was Flanders who flashed a couple times including a blitz pick up or two. Might have a PS shot...Johnson looked like a FB.
WRs: Hartline looked ready to go.By this time Benji should be able to set up his DB and get deep...
Jennings may be the surprise of the nite. In addition to his 2 catches he had a very nice KO return in which he hesitated to set up a block (by Johnson IIRC). Our RBs should watch that return...
Mayle's hands looked plenty sticky.
TEs: Familiar pair started.
Bibbs made a strong H-back case. Hard to see him not making the 53.
I swear I saw Housler on the back of a jersey... on Special Teams.
O-line: Did some coach clicker stuff early. Debating on doing a full grading.
Mack played one series and looked good. Seymore filled in and did not.
Bito and Greco looked very good. Greco was the 2nd starter to sit; Bito the 3rd IIRC.
Erving played LT until Thad came in. Looked like a good rookie. Was surprised he did not get a series or two at Center.
Schwartz played deeper into the game than all the starters save Erving... good idea as Mitch has a history of starting slow.
Of our unknowns Painter looked decent subbing for Greco at RG early. I think Bowie started at RT and moved to left when Erving finally sat.
D:
Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
Looks like we watched the same game.....
On the LB's, I gotta say the inside guys looked good.....Dansby and Kirksey both played well(I think Dansby had 4-5 tackles in only a couple series(16 snaps?).....saw Kirksey make some nice stops....even Carder & Pullard had some notable plays too....
For me, the worry is more the outside guys.....seems easy to expose their weaknesses.....
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Just watched my midnight recording for the first time. Here are my impressions...
Announcers: Patrick is a bit long in the tooth, but I always liked his ESPN broadcasts in the early SNF days. Wilcotts on the other hand... the dude just gives analysis a bad name. I likely won't have to suffer the pair again this preseason... my sympathies to those who do.
New Uniforms: Teams colors should inspire more than nausea. All the daylight video of practice did not prepare me for how bad the new orange would look under the lights. And I missed the glossy helmets. But my reaction may be my old, color-blind eyes which could barely discern the helmet logo painted at mid-field.
Preparation: Until very late in the game the team looked remarkably prepared with neither substitution issues nor players lining up improperly nor pre-snap penalties.
QBs: McCown looked the game manager part complete with pocket presence. Arm looked good. Ability to extend plays is a bonus... we got a bonus.
JM looked better, but playing safe is not the same as managing the position. I'd love a 22 read on his reads. Aside from one hot route, not sure he made any. Seemed to overreact to pressure, but TD run was very decisive and included nice job of setting up a block by Moore. Questions remain, but you crawl before you walk, walk before...
Shaw's arm looked stronger than I remember it. He has to feel pressure a bit earlier.
Thad looked like an early cut candidate.
RBs: Overall I feel like I saw why Ray Rice is being vetted...
Crow looked jacked up... maybe by Montgomery's recent words. He lacked patience and seemed to be racing his line to the edge. Instead he needs to glide behind them until a crack appears as he did last year. Nice run after his swing pass reception.
West looked lethargic.
Only other RB of note was Flanders who flashed a couple times including a blitz pick up or two. Might have a PS shot...Johnson looked like a FB.
WRs: Hartline looked ready to go.By this time Benji should be able to set up his DB and get deep...
Jennings may be the surprise of the nite. In addition to his 2 catches he had a very nice KO return in which he hesitated to set up a block (by Johnson IIRC). Our RBs should watch that return...
Mayle's hands looked plenty sticky.
TEs: Familiar pair started.
Bibbs made a strong H-back case. Hard to see him not making the 53.
I swear I saw Housler on the back of a jersey... on Special Teams.
O-line: Did some coach clicker stuff early. Debating on doing a full grading.
Mack played one series and looked good. Seymore filled in and did not.
Bito and Greco looked very good. Greco was the 2nd starter to sit; Bito the 3rd IIRC.
Erving played LT until Thad came in. Looked like a good rookie. Was surprised he did not get a series or two at Center.
Schwartz played deeper into the game than all the starters save Erving... good idea as Mitch has a history of starting slow.
Of our unknowns Painter looked decent subbing for Greco at RG early. I think Bowie started at RT and moved to left when Erving finally sat.
D:
Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
QBs: McCown looked the game manager part complete with pocket presence. Arm looked good. Ability to extend plays is a bonus... we got a bonus.
JM looked better, but playing safe is not the same as managing the position. I'd love a 22 read on his reads. Aside from one hot route, not sure he made any. Seemed to overreact to pressure, but TD run was very decisive and included nice job of setting up a block by Moore. Questions remain, but you crawl before you walk, walk before...
Shaw's arm looked stronger than I remember it. He has to feel pressure a bit earlier.
Thad looked like an early cut candidate.
Manziel I thought looked a lot better than I've ever seen him on pressure, which by my count they sent on 75% or so of his dropbacks. At least two times off the top of my head there were totally unblocked guys he managed to get away from, and the hot route was nice too.
He's not there yet by any means but I was happy to see it was better work coming from him.
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Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
Looks like we watched the same game.....
On the LB's, I gotta say the inside guys looked good.....Dansby and Kirksey both played well(I think Dansby had 4-5 tackles in only a couple series(16 snaps?).....saw Kirksey make some nice stops....even Carder & Pullard had some notable plays too....
For me, the worry is more the outside guys.....seems easy to expose their weaknesses.....
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Don't judge the run D till game 1. You have to "dig" hard to stop the run, no sense in getting anyone on the front 7 dinged up in preseason...especially game 1. If they let the run go again on opening day, than this defense is like I called it last year but none of you wanted to hear it.
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Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
Looks like we watched the same game.....
On the LB's, I gotta say the inside guys looked good.....Dansby and Kirksey both played well(I think Dansby had 4-5 tackles in only a couple series(16 snaps?).....saw Kirksey make some nice stops....even Carder & Pullard had some notable plays too....
For me, the worry is more the outside guys.....seems easy to expose their weaknesses.....
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PFF grades are out. Pretty dang good first team offense. Every starter except Mack, Hawkins, and Erving with a positive number.
Don't use Bibbs as a run blocker....
Grades confirm that McCown was as good as anyone in the league. Johnny and Shaw both in the black as well!
2nd team OL on the other hand....turrble.
PFF grades are out. Pretty dang good first team offense. Every starter except Mack, Hawkins, and Erving with a positive number.
Don't use Bibbs as a run blocker....
Grades confirm that McCown was as good as anyone in the league. Johnny and Shaw both in the black as well!
2nd team OL on the other hand....turrble.
The day all five backup oline guys step in we're in big trouble
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Yes... the run D was disappointing, but I can hear Pet now... "It's a process." I agree. We will not go from #32 to top of the league overnite.
There were times when the line did it's job leaving an LB free to make an impact tackle. Kirksey early... and impressively Pullard late. The rookie may not have the measureables, but he seems to have the proverbial nose for the ball. Consistency in keeping the LBs clean is what we need and what will come with time.
Then the question will be are our LBs consistently up to the task. TBH I am not sure. I know it's my same old drum, but I just think our LBs are too easy to play call against.
At least I found a new way of saying that they are lacking in 3-down talent...
Looks like we watched the same game.....
On the LB's, I gotta say the inside guys looked good.....Dansby and Kirksey both played well(I think Dansby had 4-5 tackles in only a couple series(16 snaps?).....saw Kirksey make some nice stops....even Carder & Pullard had some notable plays too....
For me, the worry is more the outside guys.....seems easy to expose their weaknesses.....
Looks like we watched the same game.....
On the LB's, I gotta say the inside guys looked good.....Dansby and Kirksey both played well(I think Dansby had 4-5 tackles in only a couple series(16 snaps?).....saw Kirksey make some nice stops....even Carder & Pullard had some notable plays too....
For me, the worry is more the outside guys.....seems easy to expose their weaknesses.....
I forgot to mention that Kirksey looks "pumped up" vs last year. And we both failed to mention Robertson who was flying around some... Our inside trio looks good.
Manziel I thought looked a lot better than I've ever seen him on pressure, which by my count they sent on 75% or so of his dropbacks. At least two times off the top of my head there were totally unblocked guys he managed to get away from, and the hot route was nice too.
He's not there yet by any means but I was happy to see it was better work coming from him.
Agree... JM certainly did not "rattle" and his mechanics continue to impress, but...
What may have been his throw of the nite hit Winn in his right shoulder. I think Winn may owe him one.
All 3 of us did.......... 1 of you 2 owe me a beer.
Works for me...
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I'll admit I was very critical (rightfully so) of Pullards tape from USC and his propensity to take bad angles attacking downhill. Watching some of the game and he looks solid. Doesn't explode off of tape but he finds the ball carrier and has a nose for tracking and screens.
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Some of the Gilbert musings on the twitterverse.
@KeithBritton86: Dieken on @BullandFox (Justin Gilbert's comments about one flaw):"If you think you only made one, I think we were watching a different game"
@sdoerschukREP: Pettine on Gilbert's "flawless" comment: "He made that statement without having seen the film." Then, silence.
@sdoerschukREP: Update from Pettine: Glbert "made some good plays, mad some bad. Covered well on RG3's last two red-zone plays."
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no one on the D thurs night could set the edge to save their life.
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2 view thoughts: When your 18 players down b4 kickoff, ugly was coming 3rd & 4th Qrts. Glad we lost, cause at practice and Pet after viewing tape will bust some ass with some work to do. We went up 14-3 was a win for the 1's imo. Offense fails= OL depths and RB's. Defense pisses me off to no end, Just a start. DL upfront middle no ?'s, better but lets not over pursuit the ball carrier. D outside with LB's sickening. 1st contact is a serious issue and no d penetration to start setting a edge. The worst possible pursuit angle's in tackling than not tackling, we can't wrap with those angles. Pullard was the best textbook tackler all night. Cover a WR= At a point we stop covering and we play just to make the tackle only and Gilbert is not the only one to do this. Gilbert's biggest problem is on a long field his eye control on ball and WR is awful which leads to blaming S for his mis-coverage. When Carcon blows by him he always miss reads speed of WR and thinks his speed will catch up and his hips and feet are not even turned yet. Than that leads to he has no Urgency to finish a play as you may see when he does nothing to make a tackle on WR on sideline that he has to put out of bounds. Yes O' Neil our D has a lot to do 2 Improve Tick Tock..
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