laurinaitis coming in
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Aloysius said:
nfldraftscout only had Combine 40 times for 14 of them.14 from the SEC? How many from the Big Ten?
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You guys are killing me.... arguing about such insignificant facts like the .03 sec difference in SEC and Big Ten running times....
Thats like.... what, six tenths of a percent? By all scientific standards, any difference that small is absolutely rubbish.Over-analyzation here is running rampant. Also, I thought we were talking about James Laurinaitis.
Speaking of which, JL is a fantastic player with a great head on his shoulders, but with our draft slots, it will be hard to take him: 5th place is too early for us and we have other issues to tend to, and honestly I think he will be gone by the time our next pick comes around.
You guys are killing me.... arguing about such insignificant facts like the .03 sec difference in SEC and Big Ten running times....
Thats like.... what, six tenths of a percent? By all scientific standards, any difference that small is absolutely rubbish.
Over-analyzation here is running rampant. Also, I thought we were talking about James Laurinaitis.
This has been my point. That the speed difference is insignificant at least and ridiculous at most.
But Aloy said that five hundreds of a second lends credence to there being a difference.
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You wanted guys taken in the top four rounds in the last seven years, which restricted the sample size. Anyway, here is what I compiled. Feel free to draw your own conclusions from it.
Corners taken
SEC: 18
Big Ten: 18 --> 4.4442
'08
Justin King: 4.31
Tracy Porter: 4.37
Charles Godfrey: 4.43
Jack Ikegwuono
'07
Leon Hall: 4.39
'06
Ashton Youboty
Alan Zemaitis
'05
Marlin Jackson: 4.52
Kelvin Hayden: 4.45
Scott Starks: 4.37
Dustin Fox: 4.43
'04
Chris Gamble
Jeremy LeSueur: 4.53
Rich Gardner: 4.46
'03
Eugene Wilson: 4.48
Bryan Scott
'02
Derek Ross: 4.59
Mike Echols
SEC: 4.4078 (out of 14)
'08
Patrick Lee: 4.41
Chevis Jackson: 4.52
Jonathan Wilhite: 4.38
'07
Chris Houston: 4.32
Jonathan Wade: 4.36
Fred Bennett: 4.46
'06
Jonathan Joseph: 4.31
Tim Jennings: 4.32
'05
Carlos Rogers: 4.44
Corey Webster
Travis Daniels: 4.54
'04
Dunta Robinson: 4.34
Ahmad Carroll: 4.34
Keiwan Ratliff
Bruce Thornton: 4.50
'03
'02
Lito Sheppard
Sheldon Brown: 4.47
Andre Goodman
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You wanted guys taken in the top four rounds in the last seven years, which restricted the sample size. Anyway, here is what I compiled. Feel free to draw your own conclusions from it.
Corners taken
SEC: 18
Big Ten: 18 --> 4.4442
'08
Justin King: 4.31
Tracy Porter: 4.37
Charles Godfrey: 4.43
Jack Ikegwuono
'07
Leon Hall: 4.39
'06
Ashton Youboty
Alan Zemaitis
'05
Marlin Jackson: 4.52
Kelvin Hayden: 4.45
Scott Starks: 4.37
Dustin Fox: 4.43
'04
Chris Gamble
Jeremy LeSueur: 4.53
Rich Gardner: 4.46
'03
Eugene Wilson: 4.48
Bryan Scott
'02
Derek Ross: 4.59
Mike Echols
SEC: 4.4078 (out of 14)
'08
Patrick Lee: 4.41
Chevis Jackson: 4.52
Jonathan Wilhite: 4.38
'07
Chris Houston: 4.32
Jonathan Wade: 4.36
Fred Bennett: 4.46
'06
Jonathan Joseph: 4.31
Tim Jennings: 4.32
'05
Carlos Rogers: 4.44
Corey Webster
Travis Daniels: 4.54
'04
Dunta Robinson: 4.34
Ahmad Carroll: 4.34
Keiwan Ratliff
Bruce Thornton: 4.50
'03
'02
Lito Sheppard
Sheldon Brown: 4.47
Andre Goodman
Aloysius said:
You wanted guys taken in the top four rounds in the last seven years, which restricted the sample size. Anyway, here is what I compiled. Feel free to draw your own conclusions from it.After exhaustively researching and analyzing the material, my conclusions are.....
None of it matters.
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You guys are killing me.... arguing about such insignificant facts like the .03 sec difference in SEC and Big Ten running times....
Thats like.... what, six tenths of a percent? By all scientific standards, any difference that small is absolutely rubbish.
Over-analyzation here is running rampant. Also, I thought we were talking about James Laurinaitis.
This has been my point. That the speed difference is insignificant at least and ridiculous at most.
But Aloy said that five hundreds of a second lends credence to there being a difference.
oldcow1945 said:
But Aloy said that five hundreds of a second lends credence to there being a difference.Honestly, I don't care all that much because I'm not a partisan to either side of this debate. But I though the numbers at least left the question open, especially because your 4th round cutoff made little sense. Who knows what direction that difference would head if you included all cornerbacks drafted?
I could go ahead and re-crunch the numbers using all drafted cornerbacks, but I won't because
- like ballpeen, I suspect this doesn't mean very much. It was more of a curious intellectual exercise for me.
- I'm not convinced you actually give a shit about what the results would be. You're already set in your opinions, so any contrary results would just get a rolling eyes emoticon - which is fine, but then there's no use discussing it with you.
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I have quickly glanced at all this "draft & speed" stuff. Here is my question:
WHERE (NFL production wise) are these players 3-4 YEARS after they were drafted? Are they starting? Still in the league? Productive as starters or backups? At that point, they should all have had opportunities to establish themselves in the NFL.
Just something else to muddy the waters. I certainly (with a job & 7 Grandkids & an upcoming wedding) don't have time to research it!
Mike
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It just kills my how everyone gets so off track on these threads.. I could give a flying crap about what school he's from.. I am only interested in where he stands with the Browns and will he be a good player for us if we draft him and speculating on what spot we might try to get him.. Focus guys focus..
Threads go where they may, that's the nature of the board.
Why do you always seem to be lecturing people anyway?
QUOTE (Sez.EJ @ Mar 14 2009, 03:51 PM)
It just kills my how everyone gets so off track on these threads.. I could give a flying crap about what school he's from.. I am only interested in where he stands with the Browns and will he be a good player for us if we draft him and speculating on what spot we might try to get him.. Focus guys focus..
Threads go where they may, that's the nature of the board.
Why do you always seem to be lecturing people anyway?
Riffer: feeling guilty? Feeling picked on? not sure why you are even the one who commented as your last post was 7 threads above my comment about getting off track. I am not sure where the "lecture" came in.. Do you still live with your parents?
Besides my post did seem to kick everyone back on track for a while. where laureinitis stands in the draft... So sue me if I like the thread to stay on topic .
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QUOTE (Sez.EJ @ Mar 14 2009, 03:51 PM)
It just kills my how everyone gets so off track on these threads.. I could give a flying crap about what school he's from.. I am only interested in where he stands with the Browns and will he be a good player for us if we draft him and speculating on what spot we might try to get him.. Focus guys focus..
Threads go where they may, that's the nature of the board.
Why do you always seem to be lecturing people anyway?
Riffer: feeling guilty? Feeling picked on? not sure why you are even the one who commented as your last post was 7 threads above my comment about getting off track. I am not sure where the "lecture" came in.. Do you still live with your parents?
Besides my post did seem to kick everyone back on track for a while. where laureinitis stands in the draft... So sue me if I like the thread to stay on topic .
Riffer: feeling guilty? Feeling picked on? not sure why you are even the one who commented as your last post was 7 threads above my comment about getting off track. ....
Besides my post did seem to kick everyone back on track for a while. where laureinitis stands in the draft... So sue me if I like the thread to stay on topic .
Are you saying you are the most misunderstood member here , or just the most picked on . I have lost track of which .
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oldcow1945 said:
But Aloy said that five hundreds of a second lends credence to there being a difference.Honestly, I don't care all that much because I'm not a partisan to either side of this debate. But I though the numbers at least left the question open, especially because your 4th round cutoff made little sense. Who knows what direction that difference would head if you included all cornerbacks drafted?
I could go ahead and re-crunch the numbers using all drafted cornerbacks, but I won't because
- like ballpeen, I suspect this doesn't mean very much. It was more of a curious intellectual exercise for me.
- I'm not convinced you actually give a shit about what the results would be. You're already set in your opinions, so any contrary results would just get a rolling eyes emoticon - which is fine, but then there's no use discussing it with you.
Aloysius said:
Honestly, I don't care all that much because I'm not a partisan to either side of this debate. But I though the numbers at least left the question open, especially because your 4th round cutoff made little sense./list]
C'mon Aloy, I don't think you are being genuine here. When you say that five one hundreds of second lends credence to the fact that the SEC is faster, then you are clearly taking a side. Anyone that hadn't taken a side would've looked at those numbers and said "It's a virtual wash". To a college or NFL scout, a WR running a 4.33 as compared to one running a 4.38,
it would make no difference at all. None. At that point it's his football ability. The post that started this whole thing said the Big Ten was "notoriously slow" and that the SEC was known for speed and the Big Ten was not. I went on to contend this and to prove that this is not the case. I think I clearly did that. A five one hundreds of second slower does not make anyone "Notoriously slow".
If the original poster who mentioned speed wanted to say SEC players are more athletic or better football players then that is his opinion and there is not one thing anyone can do to dispute that. But if you want to claim they are faster then I know that can be proven to be false. You said I'm set in my opinion. It's not an opinion. The numbers are right there. Five one hundreds of one second.
I explained the 4th round thing and you may not have seen it or still don't think it makes sense. I went with the first four rounds because it's those players that are generally accepted to be the ones that will contribute as a starter. I just didn't look at times beyond the 4th because those players simply are not very highly thought of. Their chances of making the team are not good. I wanted to look at those players that are expected to be productive NFL players. I think if you ask GM's they would tell you that starting around round 5 they aren't excpecting much from a player. He's a long shot. Do they make it? Sure they do. But the odds are against after about round 4.
So in the end, I wanted to measure those guys of true NFL talent.
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I waqnt football players, with football speed, not shorts and tee shirt speed. I want guys with heart, dedication and a love for the game. Which conference is that?
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oldcow1945 said:
This name calling makes you come across as a real jerk. I suspect the perception is true.It's meant as a joke when I call people an OSU fag. It's meant as a take-off on on the whole BQ fag thing. My bad for realizing that requied too much thing.
My God, did this whole board get an injection of estrogen or something?
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Aloysius said:
I looked them up, and I got 21 SEC receivers and 18 Big Ten guys. Of those, nfldraftscout had 12 Combine times for SEC guys and 9 for Big Ten guys. And if you calculate the average 40 times, you get the following:- Average time:
- SEC: 4.425
- Ten: 4.474
That is five one hundreds faster! Five one hundreds of one second!!! Talk about insignificant! That is literally a photo finish!!! It proves just the opposite Aloy. If you think five one hundreds lends credence to there not being any similarity then this discussion is not worth it's while.
I'm ROTFL here!
oldcow1945 said:
That is five one hundreds faster! Five one hundreds of one second!!! Talk about insignificant! That is literally a photo finish!!! It proves just the opposite Aloy. If you think five one hundreds lends credence to there not being any similarity then this discussion is not worth it's while.I'm ROTFL here!
I'd venture to say that it is not possible to accurately measure hundredths of a second. Even at the NFL combine.
Also the average could be skewed by one real fast guy or one real slow guy. If the Big Ten has 15 players that are faster than those in SEC, but the SEC has 5 really fast players, what conference is really faster?
- Average time:
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