Justin Gilbert
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Ergo, why I am all for giving him some time. However, while he is being given time....it can be bench time behind other veterans who are doing much better.
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I would say there's no problem pointing out mistakes or when a player screws up...its what we do....
But the real issue(for me) is the mob mentality to attack a guy "only" because he was a high pick....and how people just pile on when the guy makes a mistake or has a bad game......
Contrary to what people are saying here, the guy has had a decent camp and has worked harder than he did last year(ala Johnny).....and has a ton of interceptions(in camp) and some of the most spectacular plays yet(so, YES, he has looked good and even VERY good some days)....also had one of the best defensive plays in the scrimmage too(but well talk about his one screw up instead).....but when he "almost" gives up a big play in a practice game then has a bad day at practice, everyone piles on and it becomes of whole week of attacking the kid......sheesh....(for almost giving up a pass and having a bad practice)
Mayle spent 3 weeks dropping everything in sight, yet we support him.....Pryor sucked against the Bills and then went down again.....Cam Erving graded lower than Gilbert in the Wash game(along with about 5-6 others)........ yet you'd think it was only Gilbert who's had some bad days....
Bottom line....coach is sticking with him, because unlike some other busts, this guy HAS shown his capabilities and HAS flashed and made amazing plays. And for every screw up he's made, I can show you 3 quality plays.....and, yes, Ive watched every single play(several times)......and hes worth the effort if we can tap that talent and get him turned into a pro.....some are more work than others.....but standing in the peanut gallery slinging arrows isnt gonna do anything positive for Him, the team or anybody else....and anyone who's trying to learn a job and gets slammed nation wide for making mistakes in a practice is probably gonna feel that, whether you think they should or not......
I would say there's no problem pointing out mistakes or when a player screws up...its what we do....
But the real issue(for me) is the mob mentality to attack a guy "only" because he was a high pick....and how people just pile on when the guy makes a mistake or has a bad game......
Contrary to what people are saying here, the guy has had a decent camp and has worked harder than he did last year(ala Johnny).....and has a ton of interceptions(in camp) and some of the most spectacular plays yet(so, YES, he has looked good and even VERY good some days)....also had one of the best defensive plays in the scrimmage too(but well talk about his one screw up instead).....but when he "almost" gives up a big play in a practice game then has a bad day at practice, everyone piles on and it becomes of whole week of attacking the kid......sheesh....(for almost giving up a pass and having a bad practice)
Mayle spent 3 weeks dropping everything in sight, yet we support him.....Pryor sucked against the Bills and then went down again.....Cam Erving graded lower than Gilbert in the Wash game(along with about 5-6 others)........ yet you'd think it was only Gilbert who's had some bad days....
Bottom line....coach is sticking with him, because unlike some other busts, this guy HAS shown his capabilities and HAS flashed and made amazing plays. And for every screw up he's made, I can show you 3 quality plays.....and, yes, Ive watched every single play(several times)......and hes worth the effort if we can tap that talent and get him turned into a pro.....some are more work than others.....but standing in the peanut gallery slinging arrows isnt gonna do anything positive for Him, the team or anybody else....and anyone who's trying to learn a job and gets slammed nation wide for making mistakes in a practice is probably gonna feel that, whether you think they should or not......
That's all well and good, except Mayle and Erving are rookies and Pryor is playing a brand new position with very little offseason training.
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I would say there's no problem pointing out mistakes or when a player screws up...its what we do....
But the real issue(for me) is the mob mentality to attack a guy "only" because he was a high pick....and how people just pile on when the guy makes a mistake or has a bad game......
Contrary to what people are saying here, the guy has had a decent camp and has worked harder than he did last year(ala Johnny).....and has a ton of interceptions(in camp) and some of the most spectacular plays yet(so, YES, he has looked good and even VERY good some days)....also had one of the best defensive plays in the scrimmage too(but well talk about his one screw up instead).....but when he "almost" gives up a big play in a practice game then has a bad day at practice, everyone piles on and it becomes of whole week of attacking the kid......sheesh....(for almost giving up a pass and having a bad practice)
Mayle spent 3 weeks dropping everything in sight, yet we support him.....Pryor sucked against the Bills and then went down again.....Cam Erving graded lower than Gilbert in the Wash game(along with about 5-6 others)........ yet you'd think it was only Gilbert who's had some bad days....
Bottom line....coach is sticking with him, because unlike some other busts, this guy HAS shown his capabilities and HAS flashed and made amazing plays. And for every screw up he's made, I can show you 3 quality plays.....and, yes, Ive watched every single play(several times)......and hes worth the effort if we can tap that talent and get him turned into a pro.....some are more work than others.....but standing in the peanut gallery slinging arrows isnt gonna do anything positive for Him, the team or anybody else....and anyone who's trying to learn a job and gets slammed nation wide for making mistakes in a practice is probably gonna feel that, whether you think they should or not......
That's all well and good, except Mayle and Erving are rookies and Pryor is playing a brand new position with very little offseason training.
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That's all well and good, except Mayle and Erving are rookies and Pryor is playing a brand new position with very little offseason training.
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so when they're still struggling next year we should just kick them to the curb too?
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That's all well and good, except Mayle and Erving are rookies and Pryor is playing a brand new position with very little offseason training.
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so when they're still struggling next year we should just kick them to the curb too?
so when they're still struggling next year we should just kick them to the curb too?
To be fair, we haven't heard anyone questioning the work ethic or heart of those three guys like we have Gilbert.
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To be fair, we haven't heard anyone questioning the work ethic or heart of those three guys like we have Gilbert.
i understand that. but the chance given to gilbert and manziel should be the chance given to every rookie if they were hand picked in the draft.
it goes to my point a year ago when talking about manziel, when is the cut-off time when talking about a drafted rookie in the top 1-3 rounds? mingo still hasn't proved himself but they conitnue to hope because pettine and o'neill coveted him in buffalo. so when does the dream end for these guys?
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Just for the sake of perspective, I went back 5 years and researched the first few CB's taken in the top 10-15 picks......
2014:
Gilbert - (#8)......rookie PFF score of -2.6
Fuller - (#14).....rookie PFF score of -18.4...(worst of all rookie CB's)
2013 -
Milliner - (#9)... ..rookie PFF score of -2.4..(3rd camp and still not starting)
Hayden - (#12)...rookie PFF score of -6.5..(3rd camp and still not starting)
2012:
Claiborne - (#6)..rookie PFF score of -4.1..(4th camp and might start)(maybe)
Gilmore - (#10)...rookie PFF score of -4.0..(started last year and scored his first plus in 3 years)
2011:
Peterson - (#5)...rookie PFF score of -9.5(worst rookie score in his class)(improved over next 2 years to become one of the best)
2010:
Haden - (#7).....rookie PFF score of +14.6....WOW!....he is the last CB drafted(top 10) to play well in year one.....all the rest....everyone of them......score the same or worse than Gilbert....
So....based upon recent history....Mr. Terrible graded as well or better than all the other CB's with similar expectations....
And the other popular CB rookies from last year, that so many were saying we should have picked, faired even worse....
Fuller was rated dead last....had 2 good games early, then turned to shit....and Dennard was so great that he didnt even play for a team that needs CB's.....
So....lets be fair in our comparisons, as CB(like QB) is an extra difficult position and our style of man play is the most difficult.....Let's give him a chance...he'll get it.....
Just for the sake of perspective, I went back 5 years and researched the first few CB's taken in the top 10-15 picks......
2014:
Gilbert - (#8)......rookie PFF score of -2.6
Fuller - (#14).....rookie PFF score of -18.4...(worst of all rookie CB's)
2013 -
Milliner - (#9)... ..rookie PFF score of -2.4..(3rd camp and still not starting)
Hayden - (#12)...rookie PFF score of -6.5..(3rd camp and still not starting)
2012:
Claiborne - (#6)..rookie PFF score of -4.1..(4th camp and might start)(maybe)
Gilmore - (#10)...rookie PFF score of -4.0..(started last year and scored his first plus in 3 years)
2011:
Peterson - (#5)...rookie PFF score of -9.5(worst rookie score in his class)(improved over next 2 years to become one of the best)
2010:
Haden - (#7).....rookie PFF score of +14.6....WOW!....he is the last CB drafted(top 10) to play well in year one.....all the rest....everyone of them......score the same or worse than Gilbert....
So....based upon recent history....Mr. Terrible graded as well or better than all the other CB's with similar expectations....
And the other popular CB rookies from last year, that so many were saying we should have picked, faired even worse....
Fuller was rated dead last....had 2 good games early, then turned to shit....and Dennard was so great that he didnt even play for a team that needs CB's.....
So....lets be fair in our comparisons, as CB(like QB) is an extra difficult position and our style of man play is the most difficult.....Let's give him a chance...he'll get it.....
I think anyone EXPECTING a CB to dominate right out of the gate is setting themselves up for disappointment. It just doesn't happen often enough. Some positions, sure. But corners have a difficult job that is ever getting more difficult with the rulebook cracking down on them.
I think there's cause for concern though with Gilbert. Not as an athlete... But I do have to question a guy who thinks at any point that he's "flawless." Unless he's dominating out there and earns that, I think it's a bad sign. If he doesn't see the need to improve himself, he won't. And when I see that video of him simply giving up on his coverage, there's evidence he has that mindset.
I have a lot of hopes for him. Your numbers help that. And I sure as shit hate how reactionary we can be at times.
But at this point, I have to admit I'm more concerned than I am excited about Gilbert.
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That's all well and good, except Mayle and Erving are rookies and Pryor is playing a brand new position with very little offseason training.
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so when they're still struggling next year we should just kick them to the curb too?
so when they're still struggling next year we should just kick them to the curb too?
If they squander this entire year, get beat out by undrafted players behind them, then have some struggles in next year's offseason....yes, I think it's warranted to question them.
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If they squander this entire year, get beat out by undrafted players behind them, then have some struggles in next year's offseason....yes, I think it's warranted to question them.
Agree... at some point you just have to as even the 53rd spot is too precious.
If the pick you spent was high enough, then some other team will have a need and think they can fix what you could not. So you get what you can in a trade and move on.
Kinda like we did with TR...
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Screw the hip flexor... maybe it's a badly bruised ego..
Will be miraculously healed just as soon as Haden, Desir, etc come back and he can go run and hide on the bench...
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Have any of you been in a job where you felt you could do nothing right, no matter how well you did? That's JG right now.
The people talking shit about his poor play are not his coworkers or bosses. If they were hard on him, I could see why his confidence would be shot. However, what a bunch of fans and sports writers say about him should be of little concern to him. Play well and even the outside doubters will shut up. This all falls on Gilbert.
The people talking shit about his poor play are not his coworkers or bosses. If they were hard on him, I could see why his confidence would be shot. However, what a bunch of fans and sports writers say about him should be of little concern to him. Play well and even the outside doubters will shut up. This all falls on Gilbert.
Fans are his bosses in a huge way.
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Zombo said:
Hip Flexor.
We sure are going to be short-handed Thursday night.
Justin Gilbert injured early in final Browns-Bills practice
Posted by Zac Jackson on August 18, 2015, 7:12 PM EDT
Getty Images[/size]Second-year Browns cornerback Justin Gilbert had quite a day Monday when the Browns and Bills held a joint practice in Rochester.
Tuesday, he had a much shorter day. Gilbert left early in the teams final joint practice session after going down and needing an assist from team trainers to get up and head to the sideline.
Trainers placed ice and a protective wrap on Gilberts right quad, and he watched the rest of practice from the sideline. After practice Browns coach Mike Pettine told reporters Gilbert suffered a hip flexor.
I am not sure that's Atomic Baum I smell...
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No, because the dude needs to prove himself and show what he's got. The injury does not help him do that.
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Gip. I am a huge fan of yours. Yours are among the posts that I always make a point of reading... But like the classic Great White track, I'm afraid this is a case of Once Bitten, Twice Shy... I'm not a hater... just a observer of human behavior... dude got beat 11 times in scrimmage, and smoked in the Redskins game... I think by this point, he just wants to go away and hide, and hope nobody notices him. Wish I was wrong.
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The people talking shit about his poor play are not his coworkers or bosses. If they were hard on him, I could see why his confidence would be shot. However, what a bunch of fans and sports writers say about him should be of little concern to him. Play well and even the outside doubters will shut up. This all falls on Gilbert.
Fans are his bosses in a huge way.
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The people talking shit about his poor play are not his coworkers or bosses. If they were hard on him, I could see why his confidence would be shot. However, what a bunch of fans and sports writers say about him should be of little concern to him. Play well and even the outside doubters will shut up. This all falls on Gilbert.
Fans are his bosses in a huge way.
Fans are his bosses in a huge way.
Apparently we have found the root cause of Gilbert's poor play.......... Instead of studying his playbook, hitting the weight room and generally working on being a Pro, he is online reading fan forums and getting his feelings hurt.
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No. am just a browns fan that cheers 53 to make the Browns a winning Team. Players audition their talents to decide if their in that 53. Coaches decide which 53 gives us the best chance to win on Sunday. Which of these are you? Faker is not a option at this time or level. How bout you?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Just for the sake of perspective, I went back 5 years and researched the first few CB's taken in the top 10-15 picks......
2014:
Gilbert - (#8)......rookie PFF score of -2.6
Fuller - (#14).....rookie PFF score of -18.4...(worst of all rookie CB's)
2013 -
Milliner - (#9)... ..rookie PFF score of -2.4..(3rd camp and still not starting)
Hayden - (#12)...rookie PFF score of -6.5..(3rd camp and still not starting)
2012:
Claiborne - (#6)..rookie PFF score of -4.1..(4th camp and might start)(maybe)
Gilmore - (#10)...rookie PFF score of -4.0..(started last year and scored his first plus in 3 years)
2011:
Peterson - (#5)...rookie PFF score of -9.5(worst rookie score in his class)(improved over next 2 years to become one of the best)
2010:
Haden - (#7).....rookie PFF score of +14.6....WOW!....he is the last CB drafted(top 10) to play well in year one.....all the rest....everyone of them......score the same or worse than Gilbert....
So....based upon recent history....Mr. Terrible graded as well or better than all the other CB's with similar expectations....
And the other popular CB rookies from last year, that so many were saying we should have picked, faired even worse....
Fuller was rated dead last....had 2 good games early, then turned to shit....and Dennard was so great that he didnt even play for a team that needs CB's.....
So....lets be fair in our comparisons, as CB(like QB) is an extra difficult position and our style of man play is the most difficult.....Let's give him a chance...he'll get it.....
Just for the sake of perspective, I went back 5 years and researched the first few CB's taken in the top 10-15 picks......
2014:
Gilbert - (#8)......rookie PFF score of -2.6
Fuller - (#14).....rookie PFF score of -18.4...(worst of all rookie CB's)
2013 -
Milliner - (#9)... ..rookie PFF score of -2.4..(3rd camp and still not starting)
Hayden - (#12)...rookie PFF score of -6.5..(3rd camp and still not starting)
2012:
Claiborne - (#6)..rookie PFF score of -4.1..(4th camp and might start)(maybe)
Gilmore - (#10)...rookie PFF score of -4.0..(started last year and scored his first plus in 3 years)
2011:
Peterson - (#5)...rookie PFF score of -9.5(worst rookie score in his class)(improved over next 2 years to become one of the best)
2010:
Haden - (#7).....rookie PFF score of +14.6....WOW!....he is the last CB drafted(top 10) to play well in year one.....all the rest....everyone of them......score the same or worse than Gilbert....
So....based upon recent history....Mr. Terrible graded as well or better than all the other CB's with similar expectations....
And the other popular CB rookies from last year, that so many were saying we should have picked, faired even worse....
Fuller was rated dead last....had 2 good games early, then turned to shit....and Dennard was so great that he didnt even play for a team that needs CB's.....
So....lets be fair in our comparisons, as CB(like QB) is an extra difficult position and our style of man play is the most difficult.....Let's give him a chance...he'll get it.....
Good work Mud. Not many Lebron's can walk out of HS and bam your a PRO!!
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Fans are his bosses in a huge way.
Apparently we have found the root cause of Gilbert's poor play.......... Instead of studying his playbook, hitting the weight room and generally working on being a Pro, he is online reading fan forums and getting his feelings hurt.
Apparently we have found the root cause of Gilbert's poor play.......... Instead of studying his playbook, hitting the weight room and generally working on being a Pro, he is online reading fan forums and getting his feelings hurt.
His coaches might remind him. Press clippings might be posted in the locker room. People will send him stuff. Twitter. Etc.
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No. am just a browns fan that cheers 53 to make the Browns a winning Team. Players audition their talents to decide if their in that 53. Coaches decide which 53 gives us the best chance to win on Sunday. Which of these are you? Faker is not a option at this time or level. How bout you?
No. am just a browns fan that cheers 53 to make the Browns a winning Team. Players audition their talents to decide if their in that 53. Coaches decide which 53 gives us the best chance to win on Sunday. Which of these are you? Faker is not a option at this time or level. How bout you?
Have lived and died with the Browns since 1963... You put on our colors, I want you to make it. Junkin. Craig Powell. Phipps. TRich. I rooted for all of em. Cheered like a madman for Gilbert on his pick six v. Indy... but I just don't think he wants it badly enough...
Sometimes, people are afraid to succeed!!!!
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The people talking shit about his poor play are not his coworkers or bosses. If they were hard on him, I could see why his confidence would be shot. However, what a bunch of fans and sports writers say about him should be of little concern to him. Play well and even the outside doubters will shut up. This all falls on Gilbert.
Fans are his bosses in a huge way.
Fans are his bosses in a huge way.
Yes, fans definitely make roster decisions for NFL teams. It is like American Idol. It doesn't matter how talented the player is or how they perform on the field. Just how much they are liked.
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