Which receivers make this team?
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great potential in lenz. sad to see that there is no room for the kid.
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Still a lot of time till cuts, well not really, but he'll probably make it through the first round. Him Wynn and Jennings were all really solid pick ups. Lenz needs to have a big Game 3. He has been good in practice and the scrimmage but not so much during the games.
great potential in lenz. sad to see that there is no room for the kid.
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Well look what the cat dragged in... Heya, Mikey...
Totally agree on Lenz, Wynn and Jennings... so at least we'll have that.
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Well look what the cat dragged in... Heya, Mikey...
Totally agree on Lenz, Wynn and Jennings... so at least we'll have that.
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This is a bit off topic, but did anyone notice how often Jon Gruden mentioned the amount of injuries Buffalo had, but none of ours. He did mention our secondary, but that's about it.
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This guy isn't very good at his job, but here's one perspective from Pettine's comments today:
#Browns Pettine sounded as if CB Johnson Bademosi and WR Marlon Moore are locks to make team for special teams play. Moore will also play WR
Not a fan of keeping Moore over Jennings or Lenz. Jennings and Lenz can play STs. Tabor can use Poyer or others to fill Moore's spot.
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Things are getting too cordial.
All of you are idiots.
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Things are getting too cordial.
All of you are idiots.
Things are getting too cordial.
All of you are idiots.
Kumbaya Timmy.
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I don't see how Jennings doesn't make the roster. I think Pryor ends up being
qb3/wr ....
But Jennings and Benjamin have been really getting serious notice on special teams.
Jennings is a legit wr, and st ace. Meanwhile, our special teams have been kicking ass
in the preseason so far...except for some dumb penalties.
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Pryor may only want to be concerned about WR roster spot at this point. Viewing threw the preseason games of some of the 3rd string QB's with experience may have Shaw and Lewis both in trouble, take a look, but some talks may begin at cut time if it happens at all.
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Pryor may only want to be concerned about WR roster spot at this point. Viewing threw the preseason games of some of the 3rd string QB's with experience may have Shaw and Lewis both in trouble, take a look, but some talks may begin at cut time if it happens at all.
Pryor may only want to be concerned about WR roster spot at this point. Viewing threw the preseason games of some of the 3rd string QB's with experience may have Shaw and Lewis both in trouble, take a look, but some talks may begin at cut time if it happens at all.
Pettine made it clear that the only way Pryor makes it on the team is to show what he can do in games. Specifically needs to be well enough to play against Tampa.
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Okay, I'm going to throw this back on 2 broken stilts:
1) Bowe - but I'm sort of worried about the drop off in his stats since 2011 showing me at least a lost step or 2 + bad hammy today.
2) Hartline - if my stance above looks crack pipe - I was wondering if we wasted cake on Hartline.
3) Gabriel
4) Hawkins - I read some compelling arguments/questions about why he's a lock; but he practices hard and he remains a Pettine fave.
5) Pryor - He offers us too much to cut. That said, Carolina might need to replace Benjamin enough to part with defensive help we could use.
6) Benjamin
If number 5 above shakes out it opens room for Wynn, Jennings, or Moore. If not, Wynn or Jennings can land on the practice squad.
I think I had a false positive on Lenz after the scrimmage. Everyone matching up with Bademosi seems to have days like that. I really think the coaching staff is trying this cornerback thing to justify a potential decision to choose Bademosi as our STs ace who looks to offer us 2 different positions in the secondary. I wouldn't be comfortable if we ever had to look to him at Safety or Corner right now. The sad thing is Marlon Moore does pretty much everything that's asked of him on offense. He's even willing to throw the final block Manziel scored on or catch the ball when he wasn't causing the STs fumble before we scored. Punt team gunner isn't a position a lot of veterans want to play in this league. It involves staring into a inside-outside double press; and our 2 guys were really good at that for us in 2014.
This is going to get interesting down the stretch. Some of the guys brought in can't shake off nagging injuries while some undrafted FA guys are raising eye brows in just about every small window of opportunity they get. Unfortunately, Vince Mayle didn't have a good night.
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Okay, I'm going to throw this back on 2 broken stilts:
1) Bowe - but I'm sort of worried about the drop off in his stats since 2011 showing me at least a lost step or 2 + bad hammy today.
2) Hartline - if my stance above looks crack pipe - I was wondering if we wasted cake on Hartline.
3) Gabriel
4) Hawkins - I read some compelling arguments/questions about why he's a lock; but he practices hard and he remains a Pettine fave.
5) Pryor - He offers us too much to cut. That said, Carolina might need to replace Benjamin enough to part with defensive help we could use.
6) Benjamin
If number 5 above shakes out it opens room for Wynn, Jennings, or Moore. If not, Wynn or Jennings can land on the practice squad.
I think I had a false positive on Lenz after the scrimmage. Everyone matching up with Bademosi seems to have days like that. I really think the coaching staff is trying this cornerback thing to justify a potential decision to choose Bademosi as our STs ace who looks to offer us 2 different positions in the secondary. I wouldn't be comfortable if we ever had to look to him at Safety or Corner right now. The sad thing is Marlon Moore does pretty much everything that's asked of him on offense. He's even willing to throw the final block Manziel scored on or catch the ball when he wasn't causing the STs fumble before we scored. Punt team gunner isn't a position a lot of veterans want to play in this league. It involves staring into a inside-outside double press; and our 2 guys were really good at that for us in 2014.
This is going to get interesting down the stretch. Some of the guys brought in can't shake off nagging injuries while some undrafted FA guys are raising eye brows in just about every small window of opportunity they get. Unfortunately, Vince Mayle didn't have a good night.
This is going to get interesting down the stretch. Some of the guys brought in can't shake off nagging injuries while some undrafted FA guys are raising eye brows in just about every small window of opportunity they get. Unfortunately, Vince Mayle didn't have a good night.
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
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Good thoughts guys. Bottom line is that Farmer & Pettine are REALLY going to be working overtime on many of these decisions, but it beats the easy cut decisions that had to be made in past years.
We'll see.
Mike
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This is going to get interesting down the stretch. Some of the guys brought in can't shake off nagging injuries while some undrafted FA guys are raising eye brows in just about every small window of opportunity they get. Unfortunately, Vince Mayle didn't have a good night.
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?:
1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo).
2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more?
Cincy decided to upgrade Hawk's lack of height and lack of TDs with taller targets; and nobody made them sorry for doing so. They like their skyline package that Dalton can throw kites to especially in the red zone. In addition, they also drafted a RB like Gio Bernard sort of like us drafting Duke Johnson to attack certain parts of the defense like the flats and grey areas between the flats and hook zones. However, these are areas the QB's passes can clear the pass rushers much easier for shorter/compact targets. Hawk is still a good player to put out there and even consider moving around in certain situations. However, he's not always the best target for our QBs especially if Flip wants to throw a lot of short slant passes this year.
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Hawk brings certain things to the offense with his quicks and professionalism, but throwing the ball up to him is not an option as we saw McCown throw a pick the other night that a vet receiver with size could have went up and got. That part of the game is not in Hawk's repertoire, however, he does bring other things to the table.
Cincy didn't want to get rid of Hawk, they simply couldn't afford to match our offer. I expect Hawk to get isolated quite a bit this year and have a 70 catch season as long as he stays healthy.
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Here are some receiver stats and numbers.....so far......
First......there are 2 receivers who haven't played......Pryor and Bowe......so they both score a zero so far....
Gabe(2), Hartline(5) and Bibbs(5) all have a perfect 100% catch rate.....12 targets for 12 catches.....
Benjiman and Wynn have the only TD catches(2).....
Hawkins has the fewest reps(24)....fewest targets(2) and fewest catches(1)...dont know what that means, but there it is...
Mayle is the only player credited with even having a dropped pass.....except he has 3....
He is also the only receiver credited with any penalties.....and he has 2....
Mayle, Jennings and Lenz have the most reps(snaps)....by far.....telling me these 3 are competing for a spot?
Maybe Hawk has the fewest because he's already in?......
Highest PFF rating goes to Jennings(+1.2) and lowest goes to Mayle(-5.8)....
Highest YPC goes to Jennings at 17.....lowest goes to Hawk at -1.....haha...in fairness, he has only one catch....next lowest are Benji and Lenz tied at 5.5 ypc....
Highest YAC goes to Gabe at +7.5 and the lowest YAC goes to Benji at -1.3.....
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heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?:
1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo).
2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more?
Cincy decided to upgrade Hawk's lack of height and lack of TDs with taller targets; and nobody made them sorry for doing so. They like their skyline package that Dalton can throw kites to especially in the red zone. In addition, they also drafted a RB like Gio Bernard sort of like us drafting Duke Johnson to attack certain parts of the defense like the flats and grey areas between the flats and hook zones. However, these are areas the QB's passes can clear the pass rushers much easier for shorter/compact targets. Hawk is still a good player to put out there and even consider moving around in certain situations. However, he's not always the best target for our QBs especially if Flip wants to throw a lot of short slant passes this year.
A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?:
1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo).
2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more?
Never was a fan of the Bowe signing, but that's water under or over something or other...
On Hawk... just a feeling. His lack of production so far may be due to the staff not having to see him, but 1 catch for -1 yards (plus I think a lateral for a small gain.... but it's not in the stats) is not exactly comforting.
Good point on JM... the shorter in stature the QB, the higher you'd expect quick slant throws to have to be. We saw an example in the Bills' game on the slant to the statuesque, 5'10 Benji.
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
Certainly the stated approach for the team as a whole is to keep the best talent, but there are positon minimums. I'm not aware of any minimums within a given position.
Height in some of your WRs is nice, but if some on your roster do not use their height to good effect...
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