Who is the best in the AFCN
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.well....I would say that the Steelers have started plenty of rookies.....including Tuitt the last 5 games of 2014.....and Tuitt also had as many snaps as all your other linemen, except for Heyward.....so, whther they started him right away doesnt matter, they played him a lot....
And it doesnt really matter if you start or not....just grades how you play, when you play.....and he graded out as bad....
So...our first round picks suck when they dont start...but yours dont because it's by design?......
Justin Gilbert rookie score -2.5.......Tuitt -10.2......so who has a score thats 5 times lower than who?....(and the same # of snaps)
Tuitt wasn't a first round pick, and he certainly wasn't in the top ten.
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Tuitt wasn't a first round pick, and he certainly wasn't in the top ten.
I don't think he was trying to measure draft penis sized.
It seem like he was simply measuring player's actual performance....draft status be damned.
Looking at Mud's figures.....several of the best rookies were actually undrafted FAs.
WE seem to be mixing up our threads here. Here is the data Mud gave on AFCN rookies from the other (rookie) thread:
And here is the PFF breakdown for the top 10 in the AFCN.....(at least those that played a min 25% of snaps)
1) J. Bitonio......22.4
2) C. Mosely....11.3
3) K. Williams....8.7
4) T. Gabriel......6.9
5) R. Hewitt.......4.1
6) M. Bryant......2.6
7) J. Urschell....1.6
C. Gilmore....1.49) J. Hill.............1.4
10)J. Gilbert......-2.8
K. Williams and Gabriel....who, per this, rated out as the 3rd and 4th best rookies, were both UDFAs..
Mosley and Gilbert were round 1. Where were the others drafted?
Not that that matters once they hit the field. (and that I think is Mud's point....who cares where they were drafted at this point. What matters is what they do. T. Gipson was undrafted....both of them.
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Its crystal clear that the Steelers are the best team in the div...the browns second.
Yea, I don't think it is quite so clear. I have the Steelers having the top dog in only like 3-4 spots:
QB with BR
RB with Bell
Timmons at LB
Brown as one of top 2 WRs. I would still put AJ Green as the top WR in the division.....but since we get to put 2 WRs int he starting lineup, Brown gets a spot.
But Gilbert: no way. (I think he is at best 3rd)
Heath Miller: 5 years ago, sure. Not now
Shazier is completely unproven. Maybe in a year or two he can be elevated....but not yet.
Tuitt....no. Competent....but not any better than the other NTs.
Yea, I don't think it is quite so clear. I have the Steelers having the top dog in only like 3-4 spots:
QB with BR
RB with Bell
Timmons at LB
Brown as one of top 2 WRs. I would still put AJ Green as the top WR in the division.....but since we get to put 2 WRs int he starting lineup, Brown gets a spot.
But Gilbert: no way. (I think he is at best 3rd)
Heath Miller: 5 years ago, sure. Not now
Shazier is completely unproven. Maybe in a year or two he can be elevated....but not yet.
Tuitt....no. Competent....but not any better than the other NTs.
Are you watching the Bengals Bucs game? After listening to an entire segment during the game after an interception going through Green's hands about how Dalton has 27 int's throwing to Green and the point being made that many of them are Green's fault, I think it's more than clear who the better receiver is. They just showed 3 or 4 examples of Green not finishing routes or just plain letting the ball go through his hands for interceptions. Hosestly I'd never heard that stat before but Gruden just talked for several minutes about it. AB is better and it's clear.
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Brown is the best receiver in the league. Period.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
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If anyone can name the movie I owe them a beer
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But really, AB is not the best. I would take him over Green though I think. Seems to be more complete
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But really, AB is not the best. I would take him over Green though I think. Seems to be more complete
But really, AB is not the best. I would take him over Green though I think. Seems to be more complete
Who is better? No other receiver has had more production the last two seasons. Zombo you wish I had a lisp.
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But really, AB is not the best. I would take him over Green though I think. Seems to be more complete
But really, AB is not the best. I would take him over Green though I think. Seems to be more complete
But you didn't say who you'd take over AB.
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But really, AB is not the best. I would take him over Green though I think. Seems to be more complete
Who is better? No other receiver has had more production the last two seasons. Zombo you wish I had a lisp.
Who is better? No other receiver has had more production the last two seasons. Zombo you wish I had a lisp.
Josh Gordon was better untill he took himself off the field with his immaturity..
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No he wasn't. Josh Gordon was good, Josh Gordon was top ten but Josh Gordon doesn't run his routes as well, nor is he anywhere close to as versatile. Beyond that not being able to stay on the field because you're a fucking moron counts in the evaluation. He's a good receiver but he had a SHIT load of garbage time yardage. Brown is almost unstoppable.Josh Gordon was better untill he took himself off the field with his immaturity..
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I think Brown is the best in the league but these threads blow.
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I think Brown is the best in the league but these threads blow.
Agreed on both fronts.
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No he wasn't. Josh Gordon was good, Josh Gordon was top ten but Josh Gordon doesn't run his routes as well, nor is he anywhere close to as versatile. Beyond that not being able to stay on the field because you're a fucking moron counts in the evaluation. He's a good receiver but he had a SHIT load of garbage time yardage. Brown is almost unstoppable.Josh Gordon was better untill he took himself off the field with his immaturity..
No he wasn't. Josh Gordon was good, Josh Gordon was top ten but Josh Gordon doesn't run his routes as well, nor is he anywhere close to as versatile. Beyond that not being able to stay on the field because you're a fucking moron counts in the evaluation. He's a good receiver but he had a SHIT load of garbage time yardage. Brown is almost unstoppable.
Brown is not unstoppable ya moron...Hes not very big...only 5'10... I wouldnt call that unstoppable size.. Josh is a better route runner than you give him credit for.. Hes not football stupid, He's just "Life' stupid. He's not the greatest route runner, but he's not the worst. And what garbage time dufus.. He was on a shit team and still lead the league and didnt play a full season.,,, go back to making yogurt cuz you sure hell dont know jack about football.. Re-Tard!.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
League-wide redraft; Rodgers goes #1 overall, followed Watt and a bunch of others. Where does Brown go? First receiver off the board? Before all of Johnson, Bryant, Beckham and the rest? Not impossible, but I wouldn't put him at number one. If you put Johnson on the same team instead of Brown, with a legit elite QB like Big Ben, he's going off big time.
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fuck brown. fuck ben. fuck the steelers and anyone that likes them.
period.
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But really, AB is not the best. I would take him over Green though I think. Seems to be more complete
But you didn't say who you'd take over AB.
If I could put one receiver on the Browns it would be Megatron. In a couple years that would probably change to Mike Evans. We have enough 5-9 guys, we need a big fast receiver.But you didn't say who you'd take over AB.
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No he wasn't. Josh Gordon was good, Josh Gordon was top ten but Josh Gordon doesn't run his routes as well, nor is he anywhere close to as versatile. Beyond that not being able to stay on the field because you're a fucking moron counts in the evaluation. He's a good receiver but he had a SHIT load of garbage time yardage. Brown is almost unstoppable.
Brown is not unstoppable ya moron...Hes not very big...only 5'10... I wouldnt call that unstoppable size.. Josh is a better route runner than you give him credit for.. Hes not football stupid, He's just "Life' stupid. He's not the greatest route runner, but he's not the worst. And what garbage time dufus.. He was on a shit team and still lead the league and didnt play a full season.,,, go back to making yogurt cuz you sure hell dont know jack about football.. Re-Tard!.
Brown is not unstoppable ya moron...Hes not very big...only 5'10... I wouldnt call that unstoppable size
The irony in that statement is that you called him a moron.
To begin with, Vag said "almost" unstoppable.
"Unstoppable" is a label oft used to describe a player performing at a consistently high level...the word is not to be taken literally.
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If I could put one receiver on the Browns it would be Megatron. In a couple years that would probably change to Mike Evans. We have enough 5-9 guys, we need a big fast receiver.But you didn't say who you'd take over AB.
If I could put one receiver on the Browns it would be Megatron. In a couple years that would probably change to Mike Evans. We have enough 5-9 guys, we need a big fast receiver.
So you'd take Meg over AB. OK, that's fair.
A fan poll chose AB as the best receiver in football..musta been only Steeler fans that voted.
http://stillcurtain.com/2015/06/24/steelers-antonio-brown-gets-tip-of-the-cap-from-megatron/
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