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  • JM>RG3 - but that's a very low bar.

    No, I don't make that trade - If JM doesn't turn himself around, RG3 is his tentative, immobile future.

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  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    Some guys just can't avoid the injury bug, and RG3 is one of those dudes. To date he now has two ACL tears, two concussions, and a dislocated ankle.

    He'll get let go by Washington sooner than later and it may be worth taking a flyer on him in FA, but not in a trade like this.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Some guys just can't avoid the injury bug, and RG3 is one of those dudes. To date he now has two ACL tears, two concussions, and a dislocated ankle.

    He'll get let go by Washington sooner than later and it may be worth taking a flyer on him in FA, but not in a trade like this.

    Good point perhaps. Bring him in after he is cut.....and give him a try. Worth a shot.

    Right Robby now he has a chance to be about as good as Johnny, Thaddy, or Patty....fair to say. And if it costs nothing, even better.

  • Riffer XR Riffer X

    He costs 16 million next year if you trade for him.

    @riffer-x said:

    He costs 16 million next year if you trade for him.

    OK, NOW you have slam dunked this debate and convinced me not to go for him....unless again it is at no cost.

    Question: if he is cut and you want to pick him up.....do you have to honor that contract ....or not?

  • Whatever source you had Gip was full of shit. Pettine: On an update on QB Johnny Manzielicon-article-link.gif and when he might resume throwing:

    “Yeah, he’s close. I just spoke with (head athletic trainer) Joe Sheehan about that, that he’s where we thought he would be in the progression and that we’re confident by the end of the week that he’ll be able to handle the football and throw it.”

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    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • If he gets cut, hell yes. In a trade, hell no. Believe he gets 16.1 guaranteed over the next 2 years barring injury.

    He's a 25 year old who was a Pro Bowler in 2012.

    Career numbers are a lot more solid than many realize. Once again the media can make people believe anything

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT 1 Reply

  • Well both Josh and Johnny contract ends 2017, so a 2 year deal on RG3 and the best man wins maybe a option? The money RG3 signs for we our not winning such as Hoyer.

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  • B BaconHound

    If he gets cut, hell yes. In a trade, hell no. Believe he gets 16.1 guaranteed over the next 2 years barring injury.

    He's a 25 year old who was a Pro Bowler in 2012.

    Career numbers are a lot more solid than many realize. Once again the media can make people believe anything

    @baconhound said:

    If he gets cut, hell yes. In a trade, hell no. Believe he gets 16.1 guaranteed over the next 2 years barring injury.

    He's a 25 year old who was a Pro Bowler in 2012.

    Career numbers are a lot more solid than many realize. Once again the media can make people believe anything

    The media isn't making us believe he was oft-injured.

    I'm in agreement with you though. I'd love to see him here if the price were right. A low risk trade or in FA. He still has potential.

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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @baconhound said:

    If he gets cut, hell yes. In a trade, hell no. Believe he gets 16.1 guaranteed over the next 2 years barring injury.

    He's a 25 year old who was a Pro Bowler in 2012.

    Career numbers are a lot more solid than many realize. Once again the media can make people believe anything

    The media isn't making us believe he was oft-injured.

    I'm in agreement with you though. I'd love to see him here if the price were right. A low risk trade or in FA. He still has potential.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    The media isn't making us believe he was oft-injured.

    I'm in agreement with you though. I'd love to see him here if the price were right. A low risk trade or in FA. He still has potential.

    Unfortunately the injuries aren't as big of a deal as is him being made out to be a cancer that can't learn Gruden's offense. But that being said if he gets cut he has proven he can do it at a high level. Every time I think the dog killer sucked I go back and look at his numbers, pretty friggin good.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    They are essentially fed up with RGIII in Wash.....having relegated him to backup....and some are calling for his outright release so that he will not be a "distraction" for the team.

    People here are ready to give up on JMZ....as they believe he will never work out to be a starting QB in this league.

    So....the solution is obvious......we trade JMZ for RGIII. Griffin gets out of the poisonous atmosphere there with the owner/GM/HC going round about him. He becomes the backup here and a possible reclamation project as a future starter.

    JMZ goes to DC to be their 3rd string and learn behind Cousins and Colt....and one day when he is healthy he gets a fair shot at the starting job.

    Works out for both.....or blows up for both (though if it does neither is any worse off then they are now).

    What say you all?

    @the-gipper said:

    What say you all?

    Nope.

    I'm not banking on Johnny to be great, but it appears he followed a lot of advice and tried to get his head screwed on straight. He'll most likely play this year, given McCown's injury history. The Browns will know way more about him when this happens- is he an NFL QB or not.

    RG3 obviously regressed. Plus the drama around him, seeking the "comeback story" would be as bad a distraction as Johnny's 1st season- the Browns don't need that again.

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  • T TexasAg1969

    @mld-woody said:

    Depends on the long term health of RG3s knee.

    Trading a sore arm for a fragile piece of rare china would be a bad mistake. Plus most things I have heard is that RG III's heart is no longer in the game.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Trading a sore arm for a fragile piece of rare china would be a bad mistake. Plus most things I have heard is that RG III's heart is no longer in the game.

    His teammates claim that it's all about RG3. The read offense got him hurt twice with torn ACLs Don't worry Chip Kelly now has another guy to add to his stable of bad QBs

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  • I keep Manziel. He is tougher.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I keep Manziel. He is tougher.

    @ballpeen said:

    I keep Manziel. He is tougher.

    Manziel played 2 games and hurt his hamstring?

  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I keep Manziel. He is tougher.

    @ballpeen said:

    I keep Manziel. He is tougher.

    I've never heard of a backup qb taking off three weeks in training camp because his elbow was sore from throwing a football.

    Which came after spending the offseason in rehab.

    Which came after straining his hammy running from a big guy in his second start, and then blowing off treatment to party.

    Can't wait to see this legendary toughness.

    Z

    --I guess whizzing a water bottle at a teenager at the pool was kinda tough.

  • Z Zombo

    @ballpeen said:

    I keep Manziel. He is tougher.

    I've never heard of a backup qb taking off three weeks in training camp because his elbow was sore from throwing a football.

    Which came after spending the offseason in rehab.

    Which came after straining his hammy running from a big guy in his second start, and then blowing off treatment to party.

    Can't wait to see this legendary toughness.

    Z

    --I guess whizzing a water bottle at a teenager at the pool was kinda tough.

    Zombo said:

    I've never heard of a backup qb taking off three weeks in training camp because his elbow was sore from throwing a football.

    Which came after spending the offseason in rehab.

    Which came after straining his hammy running from a big guy in his second start, and then blowing off treatment to party.

    Can't wait to see this legendary toughness.

    Z

    --I guess whizzing a water bottle at a teenager at the pool was kinda tough.

    All true, but I wonder if he is just sore from actually practicing for the first time in his life. I think he will be okay..

  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I keep Manziel. He is tougher.

    @ballpeen said:

    I keep Manziel. He is tougher.

    I'm in 'Peen's camp on this one. Pettine & staff err on the conservative side with players health & that's a good thing. Let's just wait & see what happens.

    Mike

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  • Riffer - 16 freakin million?

    Ah. Then the answer is, NO FREAKIN WAY, unless he

    renegotiates his contract.. or something.

    Nah.

  • Guess I'll be the only one.

    I'd do this in a heartbeat. Provided that it's not something stupid like $16M in each of the next two years... Rather than combined. Team has the space to absorb that.

    I don't think RGIII is done. I think he's in a bad situation. And hate him or not, he's done far more at the NFL level than Manziel has. Hell, we're all happy here when Johnny Football looks like he may be developing into a decent backup. Just the fact that he wasn't a hyena fire in the preseason has some singing praises (me included). But he has a long way to go to even be at RGIII's level. Swapping Manziel for Griffin IS buying low.

    I'd take the chance that he succeeds outside of Washington.

    Thing is - the 'Skins would never touch this deal.

  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @the-gipper said:

    But isn't he essentially recovered? It may have taken him two years....but isn't he over it.

    (now....the question of his style of play.....and whether or not he is at risk for another bad injury is certainly in play)

    Physically, he may be recovered. Mentally, it's harder to come back from a torn ACL than it is a little elbow soreness - especially when your value proposition to the team is your elusiveness.

    I wouldn't mind us taking a flier on RG3, but not at the cost of JMZ.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Physically, he may be recovered. Mentally, it's harder to come back from a torn ACL than it is a little elbow soreness - especially when your value proposition to the team is your elusiveness.

    I wouldn't mind us taking a flier on RG3, but not at the cost of JMZ.

    First the media jizz fest at the even the thought of JM and RG3 on the same team would be too huge...

    Second... not just the knee but there was also that gruesome, non-contact ankle dislocation...

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  • And even for free I pass on RG3... even if there were no "jizz fest"...

    What locker room reports I have heard on RG are not good...

    Here's the latest and it's only 5-days old:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/27/report-several-washington-offensive-linemen-dislike-rg3/

    Doesn't read very "Play like a Brown" to me...

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  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    Whatever source you had Gip was full of shit. Pettine: On an update on QB Johnny Manzielicon-article-link.gif and when he might resume throwing:

    “Yeah, he’s close. I just spoke with (head athletic trainer) Joe Sheehan about that, that he’s where we thought he would be in the progression and that we’re confident by the end of the week that he’ll be able to handle the football and throw it.”

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Whatever source you had Gip was full of shit. Pettine: On an update on QB Johnny Manzielicon-article-link.gif and when he might resume throwing:

    “Yeah, he’s close. I just spoke with (head athletic trainer) Joe Sheehan about that, that he’s where we thought he would be in the progression and that we’re confident by the end of the week that he’ll be able to handle the football and throw it.”

    I don't remember using any source.....other than to say it was sports talk radio speculation. I was not implying that these trade talks were actually taking place.

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