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  • SojuS Soju

    everyone including the coaches KNOW this is a throw away year.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #18

    @soju said:

    everyone including the coaches KNOW this is a throw away year.

    Someone's in mid-season form...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @soju said:

    everyone including the coaches KNOW this is a throw away year.

    Someone's in mid-season form...

    SojuS Soju wrote on
    #19

    @tour2ma said:

    Someone's in mid-season form...

    I'm not arguing with you about this. If we reach 8 wins this year consider it superbowl celebration worthy. If we win, the scores will be 13-6 type games.

    I hope our passing game resembles something of this century but something tells me that is wishful thinking. Our QB of the future will be sitting in next year's draft. These words are trustworthy and true.

  • SojuS Soju

    @tour2ma said:

    Someone's in mid-season form...

    I'm not arguing with you about this. If we reach 8 wins this year consider it superbowl celebration worthy. If we win, the scores will be 13-6 type games.

    I hope our passing game resembles something of this century but something tells me that is wishful thinking. Our QB of the future will be sitting in next year's draft. These words are trustworthy and true.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #20

    @soju said:

    I'm not arguing with you about this. If we reach 8 wins this year consider it superbowl celebration worthy. If we win, the scores will be 13-6 type games.

    I hope our passing game resembles something of this century but something tells me that is wishful thinking. Our QB of the future will be sitting in next year's draft. These words are trustworthy and true.

    i think i predicted 8-8 or 9-7....

    tougher schedule. if we get to 9-7 hopefully it's enough to eek out a playoff berth and that is SURELY nothing to dismiss as luck or lack of growth, just the opposite. you are prob right about our qb of the future. after building the lines and the defense i believe it will be time to go offensive playmakers while still adding depth to our lines.

  • D BoneD D Bone wrote on
    #21

    To say that "the coaches know it's a throw away year" tells me that Debbie hasn't played an organized sport past T-ball, much less coached a sport at any level. Our coaches are busting their asses with long days, and they're agonizing over every cut they have to make. They feed and shelter their families being a coach in a win now business, and they all know they'll all be gone if they don't win.......... and yet you think they're all just sitting around talking about 2-3 years from now?? Fucking ridiculous.

    I've read some pretty stupid things on this forum - quite a few from Debbie herself - but this one takes the cake. There isn't a member of the Browns organization that isn't giving their all to win, and to win now.

  • Flyin JF Flyin J wrote on
    #22

    It may be throw away season to you but a lot of guys careers and livelihood hang in the balance and there is nobody on this team that aint lining up to win every week.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #23

    You make the statement that we may be the worst at these various skill positions.......now back it up.

    Give your ranking of all 32 teams at the Skill positions....

    Who has the best QB corps?

    Who has the best WR corps?

    Who has the best TE corps?

    Who has the best RB corps?

    If not this, but if you think the Browns are so low on the end of these rankings.....who do you think they are in competition with for the title of "The worst" of all these.

    thenew23T 1 Reply
  • nickersN nickers wrote on
    #24

    Someone forgot to take they're Wellbutrin.

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • Flyin JF Flyin J wrote on
    #25

    QB - Packers Aaron Rodgers nuff said

    RB - Vikings Peterson is the best back and McKinnon is an intriguing guy, Asiata is servicable

    WR - Gotta go with the Giants if were looking at depth. ODB, Cruz, Randle and James Jones. If were just looking at top 2, Id take the Lions with Calvin and Golden.

    TE - Patriots. Gronk is the best TE to ever play, and they have decent depth with Chandler and Hoomanawanuwi

    tiamat63T miktoxicM 2 Replies
  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    QB - Packers Aaron Rodgers nuff said

    RB - Vikings Peterson is the best back and McKinnon is an intriguing guy, Asiata is servicable

    WR - Gotta go with the Giants if were looking at depth. ODB, Cruz, Randle and James Jones. If were just looking at top 2, Id take the Lions with Calvin and Golden.

    TE - Patriots. Gronk is the best TE to ever play, and they have decent depth with Chandler and Hoomanawanuwi

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #26

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    QB - Packers Aaron Rodgers nuff said

    RB - Vikings Peterson is the best back and McKinnon is an intriguing guy, Asiata is servicable

    WR - Gotta go with the Giants if were looking at depth. ODB, Cruz, Randle and James Jones. If were just looking at top 2, Id take the Lions with Calvin and Golden.

    TE - Patriots. Gronk is the best TE to ever play, and they have decent depth with Chandler and Hoomanawanuwi

    I might have a word with you about that.

  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    Can we change this guy's name to fish taco?

    T Taco918 wrote on
    #27

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Can we change this guy's name to fish taco?

    Preferably something without the word Taco in it for my sake.

    👍
  • C calfoxwc wrote on
    #28

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  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    QB - Packers Aaron Rodgers nuff said

    RB - Vikings Peterson is the best back and McKinnon is an intriguing guy, Asiata is servicable

    WR - Gotta go with the Giants if were looking at depth. ODB, Cruz, Randle and James Jones. If were just looking at top 2, Id take the Lions with Calvin and Golden.

    TE - Patriots. Gronk is the best TE to ever play, and they have decent depth with Chandler and Hoomanawanuwi

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #29

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    QB - Packers Aaron Rodgers nuff said

    RB - Vikings Peterson is the best back and McKinnon is an intriguing guy, Asiata is servicable

    WR - Gotta go with the Giants if were looking at depth. ODB, Cruz, Randle and James Jones. If were just looking at top 2, Id take the Lions with Calvin and Golden.

    TE - Patriots. Gronk is the best TE to ever play, and they have decent depth with Chandler and Hoomanawanuwi

    yeah, no.

  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid wrote on
    #30

    Grok the best TE of all time? ...I'm gonna need to be convinced of that

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
    Flyin JF 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    You make the statement that we may be the worst at these various skill positions.......now back it up.

    Give your ranking of all 32 teams at the Skill positions....

    Who has the best QB corps?

    Who has the best WR corps?

    Who has the best TE corps?

    Who has the best RB corps?

    If not this, but if you think the Browns are so low on the end of these rankings.....who do you think they are in competition with for the title of "The worst" of all these.

    thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #31

    @the-gipper said:

    You make the statement that we may be the worst at these various skill positions.......now back it up.

    Give your ranking of all 32 teams at the Skill positions....

    Who has the best QB corps?

    Who has the best WR corps?

    Who has the best TE corps?

    Who has the best RB corps?

    If not this, but if you think the Browns are so low on the end of these rankings.....who do you think they are in competition with for the title of "The worst" of all these.

    I can give you who's worse off than us...

    QB's - Jets (Fitzpatrick), Bills (Taylor), Texans (Hoyer), Rams (Foles), Buccaneers (Winston), Titans (Mariota), Redskins (Cousins)

    RB's - Jets (Powell/Ivory), Atlanta (Freeman/Coleman), Panthers (Stewart/Whittaker), Cowboys (McFadden/Randle)

    WR's - Panthers (Brown/Ginn), Jaguars (Hurns/Robinson), Chiefs (Maclin/Wilson)

    TE's - Cardinals (Fells/Momah), Saints (Watson/Hill)

    I'm sure there are more groups that we are at least "competetive" with, but these are the groups that I think we are obviously better than...

    I'd also add that our offensive line is top 5, which helps. Plus, it's hard to rank our skill players because this is a new system and there are so many new pieces...

    Not to mention, our D will be top 5 this year as well... with the #1 ranked secondary... so that will help...

    #Justsayin'
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #32

    I wouldn't include Foles in that group. I would take him for the Browns right now.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #33

    yes. there are many that do the woulda shoulda coulda here for draft reasoning but i'll do it for trades and acquisitions.

    foles would have been great but my big piss and moan is not looking at alex smith when he was available. just think he is a classic prototypical QB that could've been here for 10 years.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #34

    Smith and Maclin looked great this pre-season... so I would not put Maclin as worse than us.

    Also agree on Foles not belonging on worse than us QB list. And to my surprise, I'm not sure Mariotta belongs on that list either. His transition to under center has been remarkable.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Smith and Maclin looked great this pre-season... so I would not put Maclin as worse than us.

    Also agree on Foles not belonging on worse than us QB list. And to my surprise, I'm not sure Mariotta belongs on that list either. His transition to under center has been remarkable.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #35

    @tour2ma said:

    Smith and Maclin looked great this pre-season... so I would not put Maclin as worse than us.

    Also agree on Foles not belonging on worse than us QB list. And to my surprise, I'm not sure Mariotta belongs on that list either. His transition to under center has been remarkable.

    yessir. eye test right now has mariotta over winston as the better of the 2. a lot here IMO were right about him looking and being the part so far. hope the kid rips it up.

  • B BaconHound wrote on
    #36

    You won't get agreement in here but taken as a whole and subtracting the offensive line from the equation the Browns are in the discussion of the worst offenses in football hence the preseason predictions from basically everyone outside of Cleveland for a 6-10 type season. Defense should be solid.

  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    Grok the best TE of all time? ...I'm gonna need to be convinced of that

    Flyin JF Flyin J wrote on
    #37

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Grok the best TE of all time? ...I'm gonna need to be convinced of that

    Hes still only 26, and owns the record for TE TDs in a season, and is 5th for any position. Hes the only TE to ever have 4 consecutive double digit TD seasons. Hes a complete player because hes a helluva blocker also. I doubt he'll have the longevity of a Gonzalez or Shannon Sharpe though.
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