Quinn not NFL caliber
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Is that a headline from the ManWagoner's Gazette?? Maybe the ManWagoner's Pro Football report. Both fine football publications.
Yay, let's everybody discredit the source. Yeah the guy is only a former front office member of the Browns......
Maybe one of the OBR subscriber folks will swoop in with a scoop from one of the BQ lovers on their staff (Johnny Cakes or Lainey) to provide us with real integrity in football knowledge.
the guy is only a FORMER front office member of the Browns......
That says it all.
Why would he have any more credibilty than some reporter that doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground?
He could simply have an axe to grind. He's less credible than someone on the outside looking in.
Plus, It seems it doesn't matter what business you are in, It amazing how some of these people end up in any kind of management position. We laugh about it at my job everyday.
Go back and watch his ND games. The kid is ok. Good velocity. Accurate.
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That's sounding less likely by the day.
Who knew that the best way to make Quinn a starter in Cleveland would have been to keep RAC as HC?
Randy "Al Davis" Lerner is probably kicking himself right now hearing report after report about Mangini's low opinion of the Golden Boy.
Lum, Browns fans just don't want to admit that Mangini is not that impressed with Quinn and wants his own QB, just like all new coaches want to bring in there own type players.
If Mangini really thought Quinn was his guy he would have annouced him as the starter end of story, that he has not annouced Quinn as his QB is more telling that he is not that impressed with Brady and he may get rid of both Quinn and Anderson and its not a smoke screen as most Browns fans want to believe.
I still think its 80/20 that the Browns start Derek Anderson at QB and trade Brady Quinn or we will have a new QB and it won't be dink and dunker Brady Quinn as the starter in 09, I think we saw enough in a dink and dunker with Charlie Frye
If Mangini really thought Quinn was his guy he would have annouced him as the starter end of story, that he has not annouced Quinn as his QB is more telling that he is not that impressed with Brady and he may get rid of both Quinn and Anderson and its not a smoke screen as most Browns fans want to believe.
Really?!?!? Come on Sony. If Mangini did that, with either guy, no matter who he likes, it would hurt their trade value. The new front office hasn't shown any commitment to either guy to protect the trade value of whom ever they plan to trade. Or they may really plan on keeping both and letting them fight it out in camp.
The real fact is that the new front office hasn't said a single real word about either of the QBs. It is all speculation on who they like, don't like, or if they don't like either. There has been nothing telling in any form.
Saying Mangini hasn't named Quinn the start is telling, is like saying Mangini hasn't named Cribbs the starting returner is telling that he'll be gone. But if I were to play the "more telling game", i'd say the following have been more telling that Quinn will have to lose the job to DA, if DA remains on the roster, and that DA is the odd man out:
1. After the firing of RAC and Savage, Lerner trotted out Joe Thomas and Brady Quin as the spokes people for the team. You know that Quinn being put out as the face of the franchise was a topic when Lerner interviewed coach candidates.
2. Mangini come from the BB coaching tree. He was an assistant coach when Weiss was there. So Mangini will have the skinny on Quinn, and Mangini has tried to run the Patriots type O in NY (obviously not so much with Favre).
3. DA is Favre-esc, in that he has a huge arm but makes bad mistakes (DA is not the athlete Favre was and can't get away with them like Favre could). That didn't just work out so well for him.
4. Brian Daboll was a WR coach in NE with Weiss as the O-coordinator. He is gonna end up running an O similar to what NE ran under Weiss. Obviously with his own new twists from other systems. But if the base is Weiss-esc, Quinn is the guy that already knows it, gets it, and had high success in it at the college level.
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TheJokersWILD said:
If that's true then why does it seem like they are setting the offense up for Quinn's skill set?It seems that way to you because you are one of Brady's Ladys.
Whether you'll admit it is not relevant.
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@jadbf said:
Some of what you say I don't disagree wtih. but Cutler comes with his own negatives. I'm not sure he's proven he's THAT much better than DA or Quinn. DA made a Pro-Bowl...so did Cutler. Cutler is notorious for making bad decisions at bad times. You can blame it on Denver's defense all you want. But Cutler hasn't won anything for Denver yet has he? Even with Shanahan and he had a much beter running game than DA did in his good year. Add to that Cutler has a rep for being a whiner who his teamates tend to tire of...and yes.I stand by my opinion that I'm not giving up an extra draft pick to trade him for Quinn.
Its not even close, put Cutler and Anderson on the open market as Free Agents and see who gets more offers and more money
Cutler is a FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK one of the top young guns in the NFL
Cutler did not win a playoff game in Denver but he took a terrible team this year playing with a fullback playing running back and then a guy off the street Tatum Bell with a defense that was terrible and he still just missed taking that team to the playoffs, I don't know of many QB's who could have done better than Cutler with that defense.
Many of his bad decisions were forcing things knowing in order to win they had to outscore every team they played and if he did'nt put 30 points on the board Denver was most likely going to lose.
Who said his teamates are tired of, people I know of in Denver say his teamates love him
Put Cutler on the Jets and they are in the playoffs and contending for the Super Bowl, now can you say that about Derek Anderson, Cutler would turn many teams into winners overnight.
All I'm saying if the Browns were to acquire Cutler you don't have to worry about the QB position for the next 10-12 years and you can concentrate on building the other areas of this team, and its always easier when you can build around a franchise QB.
Trading the #5 pick in the draft which is a unproven player and Brady Quinn another unproven player for Cutler and a 3rd or 4th round draft choice IMO would be a STEAL for the Browns.
Tell me is there any player in this draft the Browns could select at #5 better than Cutler? if so I sure would like to know who
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I sick of the fact that I must keep referencing my thread:
1.First off I would like to request that before responding to this post you watch this video...
2. Secondly I would like you to take a visit to this url, it is Brady Quinns Scout.com profile from college:
http://car.scout.com/a.z?s=123&p=8&...amp;nid=2477577
3. Thirdly read this quote from a quinn interview:
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Ken(Seattle): Brady since the season has ended there have been many questions regarding arm strength and if you can throw the long ball. What would you say to your critics?Brady Quinn: That's the first time I've ever heard anything regarding my arm strength. I've never had any problems throwing the ball down the field."
4. Read this article, it may not say the best things about Quinn, but it does say he has a solid arm
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/VIPIMP/Brady_Quinn/4086
5. John Murphy Yahoo Sports "Quinn overcame questions about his accuracy, pure arm strength and pocket presence a year ago to post one of the best seasons of any quarterback in Notre Dame history. He jumps right back into the fire this Saturday in the Irish's home opener against Penn State, a team that features three of the best linebackers in college football. "
6. In this video you can see Quinn toss two 50 yarders with ease
http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/uncategorize...ady-quinn-38251
I hope this finally shuts the haters up. The Browns kept Quinns throws short because they're testing him out, and then let him work his way up to the bombs. I was at the houston game when he threw the pretty 40 yarder to Braylon, and you can see littered throughout his highlight video at the top that he can make ALL the throws, and accurately. Alot of people are treating him like he cant throw a ball past the 35 yard mark when it is well known that he tops out in the mid 70's. Its B.S. that he is getting the shaft when it comes to talks about his arm because he is consistently compared to the likes of J Russel and Derek Anderson, those guys dont have good arms, they have rocket launchers. Quinns arm is just as good as Tom Brady's and Peyton Mannings. I hope this threat has changed the mind of those who question the distance that quinn can go.
Oh... are you ppl still hungry? Heres some more!
Found it!
Holy shit that was a throw!!
Quinn is an NFL QB, he has a GREAT arm, he is NOT a dink and dunker, and he WILL start for the Browns. He is most likely chillin with Daboll right this second.
I sick of the fact that I must keep referencing my thread:
Oh... are you ppl still hungry? Heres some more!
Quinn is an NFL QB, he has a GREAT arm, he is NOT a dink and dunker, and he WILL start for the Browns. He is most likely chillin with Daboll right this second.
That throw into the back of the truck is basically what the NFL deep ball throw is. You are trying to hit an area the siz of that truck bed that your WR can adjust and make the catch. The fact that Quinn hit that dude standing the truck bed is just impressive.
Of course there was no one coming at him when he threw it
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TheJokersWILD said:
If that's true then why does it seem like they are setting the offense up for Quinn's skill set?It seems that way to you because you are one of Brady's Ladys.
Whether you'll admit it is not relevant.
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If Mangini really thought Quinn was his guy he would have annouced him as the starter end of story, that he has not annouced Quinn as his QB is more telling that he is not that impressed with Brady and he may get rid of both Quinn and Anderson and its not a smoke screen as most Browns fans want to believe.
Really?!?!? Come on Sony. If Mangini did that, with either guy, no matter who he likes, it would hurt their trade value. The new front office hasn't shown any commitment to either guy to protect the trade value of whom ever they plan to trade. Or they may really plan on keeping both and letting them fight it out in camp.
The real fact is that the new front office hasn't said a single real word about either of the QBs. It is all speculation on who they like, don't like, or if they don't like either. There has been nothing telling in any form.
Saying Mangini hasn't named Quinn the start is telling, is like saying Mangini hasn't named Cribbs the starting returner is telling that he'll be gone. But if I were to play the "more telling game", i'd say the following have been more telling that Quinn will have to lose the job to DA, if DA remains on the roster, and that DA is the odd man out:
1. After the firing of RAC and Savage, Lerner trotted out Joe Thomas and Brady Quin as the spokes people for the team. You know that Quinn being put out as the face of the franchise was a topic when Lerner interviewed coach candidates.
2. Mangini come from the BB coaching tree. He was an assistant coach when Weiss was there. So Mangini will have the skinny on Quinn, and Mangini has tried to run the Patriots type O in NY (obviously not so much with Favre).
3. DA is Favre-esc, in that he has a huge arm but makes bad mistakes (DA is not the athlete Favre was and can't get away with them like Favre could). That didn't just work out so well for him.
4. Brian Daboll was a WR coach in NE with Weiss as the O-coordinator. He is gonna end up running an O similar to what NE ran under Weiss. Obviously with his own new twists from other systems. But if the base is Weiss-esc, Quinn is the guy that already knows it, gets it, and had high success in it at the college level.
Masters said:
1. After the firing of RAC and Savage, Lerner trotted out Joe Thomas and Brady Quin as the spokes people for the team. You know that Quinn being put out as the face of the franchise was a topic when Lerner interviewed coach candidates.2. Mangini come from the BB coaching tree. He was an assistant coach when Weiss was there. So Mangini will have the skinny on Quinn, and Mangini has tried to run the Patriots type O in NY (obviously not so much with Favre).
3. DA is Favre-esc, in that he has a huge arm but makes bad mistakes (DA is not the athlete Favre was and can't get away with them like Favre could). That didn't just work out so well for him.
4. Brian Daboll was a WR coach in NE with Weiss as the O-coordinator. He is gonna end up running an O similar to what NE ran under Weiss. Obviously with his own new twists from other systems. But if the base is Weiss-esc, Quinn is the guy that already knows it, gets it, and had high success in it at the college level.
Wow the connection is so simple it only takes a dozen or so sentences to explain it. And at the moment this mystical offense only lives in the minds of BQ nation. But maybe you're onto something here masterbater......
....or then again, BQ Nation has had a tendency to pull this kind of stuff out of its ass and etch it in stone, only to have it found to be wrong.
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I sick of the fact that I must keep referencing my thread:
Oh... are you ppl still hungry? Heres some more!
Quinn is an NFL QB, he has a GREAT arm, he is NOT a dink and dunker, and he WILL start for the Browns. He is most likely chillin with Daboll right this second.
That throw into the back of the truck is basically what the NFL deep ball throw is. You are trying to hit an area the siz of that truck bed that your WR can adjust and make the catch. The fact that Quinn hit that dude standing the truck bed is just impressive.
Of course there was no one coming at him when he threw it
Masters said:
That throw into the back of the truck is basically what the NFL deep ball throw is. You are trying to hit an area the siz of that truck bed that your WR can adjust and make the catch. The fact that Quinn hit that dude standing the truck bed is just impressive.So Quinn's best throw ever was in a parking lot into the back of a truck? Was this at a tailgate party? Was it a NERF ball?
Back to FOOTBALL for a moment....ole weinee arm's only attempt at a deep ball flailed in the air like a punt. 10 mins later his ass was back on the bench.
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did you even watch the video or read the articles xxxxtard?
oh wait, of course you diddnt... I forgot who I was speaking to.
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Masters said:
1. After the firing of RAC and Savage, Lerner trotted out Joe Thomas and Brady Quin as the spokes people for the team. You know that Quinn being put out as the face of the franchise was a topic when Lerner interviewed coach candidates.2. Mangini come from the BB coaching tree. He was an assistant coach when Weiss was there. So Mangini will have the skinny on Quinn, and Mangini has tried to run the Patriots type O in NY (obviously not so much with Favre).
3. DA is Favre-esc, in that he has a huge arm but makes bad mistakes (DA is not the athlete Favre was and can't get away with them like Favre could). That didn't just work out so well for him.
4. Brian Daboll was a WR coach in NE with Weiss as the O-coordinator. He is gonna end up running an O similar to what NE ran under Weiss. Obviously with his own new twists from other systems. But if the base is Weiss-esc, Quinn is the guy that already knows it, gets it, and had high success in it at the college level.
Wow the connection is so simple it only takes a dozen or so sentences to explain it. And at the moment this mystical offense only lives in the minds of BQ nation. But maybe you're onto something here masterbater......
....or then again, BQ Nation has had a tendency to pull this kind of stuff out of its ass and etch it in stone, only to have it found to be wrong.
Wow the connection is so simple it only takes a dozen or so sentences to explain it. And at the moment this mystical offense only lives in the minds of BQ nation. But maybe you're onto something here masterbater......
....or then again, BQ Nation has had a tendency to pull this kind of stuff out of its ass and etch it in stone, only to have it found to be wrong.
As far as playing the "more telling game", yeah, it only takes a few sentances to explain it. It's called logical thinking. Nothing mythical about an offense that already exists (Weiss/NE's style where these coaches come from) and coaching tendancies.
I have etched nothing in stone. Simply pointed out that the logic train points toward Quinn, based on staff and tendancies. Has nothing to do with your make believe BQ Nation you throw people into, when most you chuck in there are Browns fans. They'd be just as happy w/ DA QB'ing if it was good QB'ing and CLE was winning.
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Masters said:
That throw into the back of the truck is basically what the NFL deep ball throw is. You are trying to hit an area the siz of that truck bed that your WR can adjust and make the catch. The fact that Quinn hit that dude standing the truck bed is just impressive.So Quinn's best throw ever was in a parking lot into the back of a truck? Was this at a tailgate party? Was it a NERF ball?
Back to FOOTBALL for a moment....ole weinee arm's only attempt at a deep ball flailed in the air like a punt. 10 mins later his ass was back on the bench.
So Quinn's best throw ever was in a parking lot into the back of a truck? Was this at a tailgate party? Was it a NERF ball?
Back to FOOTBALL for a moment....ole weinee arm's only attempt at a deep ball flailed in the air like a punt. 10 mins later his ass was back on the bench.
Dude, watch the videos if you are gonna comment. I mean Quinn's highlight reel is filled with those good deep ball throws.
Oh, and the video I am talking about is on a NY street with a NFL football, in a dress shirt, pants, and dress shoes.
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did you even watch the video or read the articles xxxxtard?
oh wait, of course you diddnt... I forgot who I was speaking to.
did you even watch the video or read the articles xxxxtard?
oh wait, of course you diddnt... I forgot who I was speaking to.
Wow BQ's college highlight reel for the 10,000th time. Like nobody else has ever had a highlight reel.
Step out of BQ Fantasyland for a moment.....Anderson had 80 career college TDs of his own, and many of them were a hell of a lot better than a effing jump ball to Samardzija.
Hey I got an idea maybe we can put everybody's highlight reel up next to Ken Dorsey's and choose who should be the starter that way? Whaddaya say?
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did you even watch the video or read the articles xxxxtard?
oh wait, of course you diddnt... I forgot who I was speaking to.
Wow BQ's college highlight reel for the 10,000th time. Like nobody else has ever had a highlight reel.
Step out of BQ Fantasyland for a moment.....Anderson had 80 career college TDs of his own, and many of them were a hell of a lot better than a effing jump ball to Samardzija.
Hey I got an idea maybe we can put everybody's highlight reel up next to Ken Dorsey's and choose who should be the starter that way? Whaddaya say?
Wow BQ's college highlight reel for the 10,000th time. Like nobody else has ever had a highlight reel.
Step out of BQ Fantasyland for a moment.....Anderson had 80 career college TDs of his own, and many of them were a hell of a lot better than a effing jump ball to Samardzija.
Hey I got an idea maybe we can put everybody's highlight reel up next to Ken Dorsey's and choose who should be the starter that way? Whaddaya say?
DA had 79 TDs and 57 INTs, completing 50% of his passes in 3+ years at OSU.
Quinn had 95 TDs and 39 INTs, completing 58% of his passes in 4 years at ND.
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mikeyP72 said:
Im new and this is the first timeYes coming out to the world as a Brady Quinn Fag is a very big step for you. Congrats on coming out of the closet.
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Masters already owned the dumbass, but one caveat on the college stuff: DA led all D1 passers in total INT's thrown for the two year period spanning his junior/senior years.
Yes, his decision making problems are systemic.
DA isn't the answer.
Is Quinn? Not sure. Haven't seen enough.
Would I trade Cutler for Quinn? I'd support the staff if they did it.
All I really know is that DA isn't the answer and we need a QB. Pretty simple, but well beyond Lum's ability to comprehend.
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"I know all of Cleveland has great hopes for Quinn, but the general feeling in the NFL is that heβs too inaccurate and too inconsistent to be a full time starter. Quinn slipped in the draft two years ago for a reason, and that reason was his inability to be accurate on all three levels. As Cleveland makes changes to its roster, donβt count out making a move at quarterback."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/0...he-cutler-saga/
This is so true. Quinn did not impress me whatsoever when he started. I understand that he hurt his "pinky" finger, but really, this is the NFL is it not? There is a reason Quinn was passed over in the draft by so many teams, and left to squirm on National Television. He isn't very good.
This is so true. Quinn did not impress me whatsoever when he started. I understand that he hurt his "pinky" finger, but really, this is the NFL is it not? There is a reason Quinn was passed over in the draft by so many teams, and left to squirm on National Television. He isn't very good.
There is a reason Adrian Peterson was passed up by 7 other teams. It's called 'stupidity'.
There's a reason Anderson was passed up by a lot of teams until the 6th round - it's called 'he sucks'.
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Masters already owned the dumbass, but one caveat on the college stuff: DA led all D1 passers in total INT's thrown for the two year period spanning his junior/senior years.
Yes, his decision making problems are systemic.
DA isn't the answer.
Is Quinn? Not sure. Haven't seen enough.
Would I trade Cutler for Quinn? I'd support the staff if they did it.
All I really know is that DA isn't the answer and we need a QB. Pretty simple, but well beyond Lum's ability to comprehend.
Masters already owned the dumbass, but one caveat on the college stuff: DA led all D1 passers in total INT's thrown for the two year period spanning his junior/senior years.
Yes, his decision making problems are systemic.
DA isn't the answer.
Is Quinn? Not sure. Haven't seen enough.
Would I trade Cutler for Quinn? I'd support the staff if they did it.
All I really know is that DA isn't the answer and we need a QB. Pretty simple, but well beyond Lum's ability to comprehend.
The last two lines are what Lum doesn't get. People aren't about Quinn as much as they are about DA ain't he answer.
I'd take Cutler in a NY minute. I wanted CLE to draft him originally. Dude can flat out play. Unlike DA, Cutler has shown progress throughout his career.
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This is so true. Quinn did not impress me whatsoever when he started. I understand that he hurt his "pinky" finger, but really, this is the NFL is it not? There is a reason Quinn was passed over in the draft by so many teams, and left to squirm on National Television. He isn't very good.
There is a reason Adrian Peterson was passed up by 7 other teams. It's called 'stupidity'.
There's a reason Anderson was passed up by a lot of teams until the 6th round - it's called 'he sucks'.
There is a reason Adrian Peterson was passed up by 7 other teams. It's called 'stupidity'.
There's a reason Anderson was passed up by a lot of teams until the 6th round - it's called 'he sucks'.
Aaron Rogers had to wait while Alex Smith was taken number 1. How has that worked out as well.
Not to mention CLE wasn't the only team trying to move up to grab Quinn when he dropped.
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Masters already owned the dumbass, but one caveat on the college stuff: DA led all D1 passers in total INT's thrown for the two year period spanning his junior/senior years.
Yes, his decision making problems are systemic.
DA isn't the answer.
Is Quinn? Not sure. Haven't seen enough.
Would I trade Cutler for Quinn? I'd support the staff if they did it.
All I really know is that DA isn't the answer and we need a QB. Pretty simple, but well beyond Lum's ability to comprehend.
Masters already owned the dumbass, but one caveat on the college stuff: DA led all D1 passers in total INT's thrown for the two year period spanning his junior/senior years.
Yes, his decision making problems are systemic.
DA isn't the answer.
Is Quinn? Not sure. Haven't seen enough.
Would I trade Cutler for Quinn? I'd support the staff if they did it.
All I really know is that DA isn't the answer and we need a QB. Pretty simple, but well beyond Lum's ability to comprehend.
I agree in most part but I wouldn't trade for Cutler. Nobody knows if Quinn is the answer. There are alot of people who don't agree about Quinn being a good NFL QB but there are alot of people that do agree that he hasn't had enough time to prove himself and if the franchise dismisses him before they find out then they are just throwing a 1st round pick right out the window which is not wise at all.
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