Skip to content
The Browns Board
Theme
  • System
  • Light
  • Dark
  • Login
  • Register
  • Forums
  • Recent
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Donate
  1. Home
  2. The Browns Board
  3. Proposal: No Divisions

Proposal: No Divisions

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved The Browns Board
44 Posts 14 Posters 1.3k Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • Bob806 Bob806B Conversation Starter Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
    • 5k Posts
    • 2k Reputation
    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
    #10

    I'm in a rut too, I don't like changing out of a division format. The NFL is obviously unique, as the 16 game schedule makes every game mean something. 3/8 of the schedule is in the division and heightens the importance. To me, games against Tennessee, Jacksonville, Miami for example just don't have any appeal, probably never will.

    NBA, NHL, MLB have so many games that it does make some sense to eliminate divisions.

    Karlis Missed
    The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
    Quote Reply
    • hx214 hx214H One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
      • 1k Posts
      • 474 Reputation
      hx214H hx214 wrote on last edited by hx214
      #11

      Divisions suck when you get stuck in one that has the best teams in the league...

      If the Browns were in one of the south divisions.... we would all love them...

      Oh well.

      1 Reply Last reply
      Quote Reply
      • jrb12711 jrb12711J Conversation Starter Reacting Well Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
        • 5k Posts
        • 1k Reputation
        jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
        #12

        Also, don't overestimate the fact that a team with the record like the Panthers winning the division happens very infrequently. Since '02 it's only happened twice and both times that team actually won (seahawks, panthers). I'm with the idea that keep divisions the way they are and division winners get playoffs, but home field is determined by record.

        I also really like the way the NFL is set up now because it affords a ton of parity in playoff teams. Gipper could fill this in better, but it's something like 2-4 teams from the previous year of playoffs aren't in and new teams are. That has a lot to do with the way scheduling is made up currently.

        The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
        Quote Reply
        • Bob806B Bob806

          I'm in a rut too, I don't like changing out of a division format. The NFL is obviously unique, as the 16 game schedule makes every game mean something. 3/8 of the schedule is in the division and heightens the importance. To me, games against Tennessee, Jacksonville, Miami for example just don't have any appeal, probably never will.

          NBA, NHL, MLB have so many games that it does make some sense to eliminate divisions.

          The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
          • 57k Posts
          • 4k Reputation
          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
          #13

          @bob806 said:

          I'm in a rut too, I don't like changing out of a division format. The NFL is obviously unique, as the 16 game schedule makes every game mean something. 3/8 of the schedule is in the division and heightens the importance. To me, games against Tennessee, Jacksonville, Miami for example just don't have any appeal, probably never will.

          NBA, NHL, MLB have so many games that it does make some sense to eliminate divisions.

          OK, this thread does not ask you if you want to stay with the current setup or switch. It asks what you think of the proposed set up...how you think it would work. How it could be tweeked. You are to make an assumption that a non-divisional setup would be in existed.......and how it could be implemented.

          It is obviously for shits and giggles as it would never be adopted. (though....like I said....some....including probably team owners, are not happy with the losing teams making the postseason....so something could happen in that regard)

          1 Reply Last reply
          Quote Reply
          • The GipperT The Gipper

            @tour2ma said:

            I like the division set up as is.

            Division winners should go into the playoffs, regardless of record.

            Whether they should get home-field over a WC with a better record is the question...

            Spoilsport. Old Fogey. Guy in a rut..

            TexasAg1969 T Conversation Starter Dedicated Reacting Well Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
            • 23k Posts
            • 6k Reputation
            T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
            #14

            @the-gipper said:

            Spoilsport. Old Fogey. Guy in a rut..

            Yes, we are. 😛

            You are to make an assumption that a non-divisional setup would be in existence...............

            Heresy. 😆

            1 Reply Last reply
            Quote Reply
            • jrb12711J jrb12711

              Also, don't overestimate the fact that a team with the record like the Panthers winning the division happens very infrequently. Since '02 it's only happened twice and both times that team actually won (seahawks, panthers). I'm with the idea that keep divisions the way they are and division winners get playoffs, but home field is determined by record.

              I also really like the way the NFL is set up now because it affords a ton of parity in playoff teams. Gipper could fill this in better, but it's something like 2-4 teams from the previous year of playoffs aren't in and new teams are. That has a lot to do with the way scheduling is made up currently.

              The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
              • 57k Posts
              • 4k Reputation
              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
              #15

              @jrb12711 said:

              Also, don't overestimate the fact that a team with the record like the Panthers winning the division happens very infrequently. Since '02 it's only happened twice and both times that team actually won (seahawks, panthers). I'm with the idea that keep divisions the way they are and division winners get playoffs, but home field is determined by record.

              Don't underestimate the fact that owners hate that those losing team making the playoffs even those few times.

              I also really like the way the NFL is set up now because it affords a ton of parity in playoff teams. Gipper could fill this in better, but it's something like 2-4 teams from the previous year of playoffs aren't in and new teams are. That has a lot to do with the way scheduling is made up currently.

              My proposal could actually create even more parity.

              You would have the 4 winningest teams in one conference playing the 4 winningest teams in another conference....plus they would automatically play the 3 winningest teams from their own conference. In other words, the 8 winningest teams in the league one year would be playing a round robin the next year......and the same for the 8 losingest teams. Some teams are definitely going to slide down and some are definitely going to slide up.

              Does that seem fair? No.....but then it is not supposed to be, is it.

              1 Reply Last reply
              Quote Reply
              • DieHardBrownsFan DieHardBrownsFanD Conversation Starter Dedicated Reacting Well Very Popular Collaborator Posting Machine First Post One Month Later Week One Done One Year In
                • 28k Posts
                • 6k Reputation
                DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
                #16

                I like it the way it is now. Football has far fewer games than basketball obviously, so having the same type of playoff structure wouldn't be good.

                "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
                The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
                Quote Reply
                • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

                  I like it the way it is now. Football has far fewer games than basketball obviously, so having the same type of playoff structure wouldn't be good.

                  The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                  • 57k Posts
                  • 4k Reputation
                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
                  #17

                  @diehardbrownsfan said:

                  I like it the way it is now. Football has far fewer games than basketball obviously, so having the same type of playoff structure wouldn't be good.

                  Any one that wants to say "I like it the way it is now" Just shut the fuck up. You are just being lazy and not responding to what this thread is about.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  Quote Reply
                  • Taco918 T
                    • 1k Posts
                    • 94 Reputation
                    T Taco918 wrote on last edited by
                    #18

                    If you went with the pod setup, you might run into problems with teams tanking towards the end of the season to get into an easier pod for the next year. You'd also run into the argument from consistently good teams that they are being punished with tougher schedules for being successful.

                    I think the best option would be to keep the divisions but remove the seeding, if that hasn't been done already, and/or requiring at least a .500 record to make it into the playoffs. However, as jrb noted, it is infrequent and hasn't reached a point where any changes are really necessary.

                    The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
                    Quote Reply
                    • DieHardBrownsFan DieHardBrownsFanD Conversation Starter Dedicated Reacting Well Very Popular Collaborator Posting Machine First Post One Month Later Week One Done One Year In
                      • 28k Posts
                      • 6k Reputation
                      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
                      #19

                      Like it the way it is now.

                      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
                      The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
                      Quote Reply
                      • Tour2ma Tour2maT In Memoriam Dedicated Conversation Starter Reacting Well Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done Very Popular
                        • 30k Posts
                        • 6k Reputation
                        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
                        #20

                        Me, too DH... what do you like best about it?

                        "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
                        The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
                        Quote Reply
                        • DieHardBrownsFan DieHardBrownsFanD Conversation Starter Dedicated Reacting Well Very Popular Collaborator Posting Machine First Post One Month Later Week One Done One Year In
                          • 28k Posts
                          • 6k Reputation
                          DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
                          #21

                          Tradition.

                          "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
                          The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
                          Quote Reply
                          • T Taco918

                            If you went with the pod setup, you might run into problems with teams tanking towards the end of the season to get into an easier pod for the next year. You'd also run into the argument from consistently good teams that they are being punished with tougher schedules for being successful.

                            I think the best option would be to keep the divisions but remove the seeding, if that hasn't been done already, and/or requiring at least a .500 record to make it into the playoffs. However, as jrb noted, it is infrequent and hasn't reached a point where any changes are really necessary.

                            The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                            • 57k Posts
                            • 4k Reputation
                            The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
                            #22

                            @taco918 said:

                            If you went with the pod setup, you might run into problems with teams tanking towards the end of the season to get into an easier pod for the next year. You'd also run into the argument from consistently good teams that they are being punished with tougher schedules for being successful.

                            I think the best option would be to keep the divisions but remove the seeding, if that hasn't been done already, and/or requiring at least a .500 record to make it into the playoffs. However, as jrb noted, it is infrequent and hasn't reached a point where any changes are really necessary.

                            Like I said...the owners of NFL teams that go 10-6 while a 7-9 record makes it may not agree with you that it hasn't reached a point where a change in necessary.

                            And while you are right about the pod situation....teams tank now for draft positions.

                            And, again, while you say "lose the seeding" what do you mean? That the divisional setup should be kept for scheduling only, but that for determining who makes the playoffs only the 6 best teams make it? If that were the case last year only 1 change would have happened: Carolina out, Eagles in.

                            But then....if you win a division yet don't get a playoff berth....what is the point of having a division? Again, just scheduling?

                            AFC would have been fine, looking like this:

                            New England Patriots (1) 12 4 0 East Champion head-to-head record

                            Denver Broncos (2) 12 4 0 West Champion

                            Pittsburgh Steelers (3) 11 5 0 North Champion head-to-head record

                            Indianapolis Colts (4) 11 5 0 South Champion

                            Cincinnati Bengals (5) 10 5 1 Wild Card #1

                            Baltimore Ravens (6) 10 6 0 Wild Card #2

                            Houston Texans 9 7 0 conference win percentage

                            Kansas City Chiefs 9 7 0 head-to-head record

                            San Diego Chargers 9 7 0 head-to-head record

                            Buffalo Bills 9 7 0

                            Miami Dolphins 8 8 0

                            Cleveland Browns 7 9 0

                            New York Jets 4 12 0

                            Jacksonville Jaguars 3 13 0 win percentage in common games

                            Oakland Raiders 3 13 0

                            Tennessee Titans 2 14 0

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            Quote Reply
                            • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                              • 57k Posts
                              • 4k Reputation
                              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
                              #23

                              NFC came out like this:

                              Tm W L T Position Reason

                              Seattle Seahawks (1) 12 4 0 West Champion conference win percentage

                              Green Bay Packers (2) 12 4 0 North Champion conference win percentage

                              Dallas Cowboys (3) 12 4 0 East Champion

                              Carolina Panthers (4) 7 8 1 South Champion

                              Arizona Cardinals (5) 11 5 0 Wild Card #1 head-to-head record

                              Detroit Lions (6) 11 5 0 Wild Card #2

                              Philadelphia Eagles 10 6 0

                              San Francisco 49ers 8 8 0

                              New Orleans Saints 7 9 0 head-to-head record

                              Minnesota Vikings 7 9 0

                              Atlanta Falcons 6 10 0 conference win percentage

                              New York Giants 6 10 0 head-to-head record

                              St. Louis Rams 6 10 0

                              Chicago Bears 5 11 0

                              Washington Redskins 4 12 0

                              Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2 14 0

                              Carolina would have finished behind the 49ers.

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              Quote Reply
                              • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

                                Like it the way it is now.

                                The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                                • 57k Posts
                                • 4k Reputation
                                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
                                #24

                                @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                Like it the way it is now.

                                You mean with my dick in your mouth? 😮

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                Quote Reply
                                • Tour2maT Tour2ma

                                  Me, too DH... what do you like best about it?

                                  The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                                  • 57k Posts
                                  • 4k Reputation
                                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
                                  #25

                                  @tour2ma said:

                                  Me, too DH... what do you like best about it?

                                  His dick in your mouth! 😆

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  Quote Reply
                                  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

                                    Tradition.

                                    The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                                    • 57k Posts
                                    • 4k Reputation
                                    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
                                    #26

                                    @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                    Tradition.

                                    What traditions the two of you have in the privacy of your own bedroom is between you.

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    Quote Reply
                                    • wargograw W One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
                                      • 5k Posts
                                      • 363 Reputation
                                      W wargograw wrote on last edited by
                                      #27

                                      When have they even been a huge problem outside of last year?

                                      The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
                                      Quote Reply
                                      • W wargograw

                                        When have they even been a huge problem outside of last year?

                                        The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                                        • 57k Posts
                                        • 4k Reputation
                                        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
                                        #28

                                        @wargograw said:

                                        When have they even been a huge problem outside of last year?

                                        I would have to study it, but I think that just about every year or maybe every other year one team with a better record than another is left out of the playoffs.

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        Quote Reply
                                        • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                                          • 57k Posts
                                          • 4k Reputation
                                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
                                          #29

                                          Well, here is the study. I only went back to 2000 to determine if one team got into the playoffs over another with a better record. What I found was that it is starting to happen more frequently. Going to 4 divisions is the likely cause of this phenomena:

                                          2014 Panther 7-8-1 got in over Eagles 10-6

                                          2013 Packers 8-7-1 got in over Cardinals 10-6

                                          2011 Broncos 8-8 got in over Titans 9-7

                                          2010 Seahawks 7-9 got in over Bucs and Giants both 10-6

                                          2008 Chargers 8-8 got in over Pats 11-5 and Jets 9-7

                                          ........Cardinals 9-7 got in over Falcons 11-5 and Buccaneers also 9-7 but who would have gotten in with better conf. record

                                          2003 Ravens 10-6 got in over Dolphins 10-6 (but better conf. record.)

                                          So, the switch to 4 divisions IS creating the phenomena of teams with better records staying home while teams with lesser records make the playoffs.

                                          And, by the way this is NOT "Tradition"......per se. This started in 2002 when the league went to those 4 division setup.

                                          The question is: is this what the NFL Owners want......or are these unintended consequences.

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          Quote Reply

                                          Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.

                                          Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.

                                          With your input, this post could be even better 💗

                                          Register Login
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          Theme
                                          • System
                                          • Light
                                          • Dark
                                          The Browns Board Terms Privacy

                                          The Browns Board is an independent fan community. It is not affiliated with, endorsed by, or sponsored by the Cleveland Browns, Cleveland Cavaliers, Cleveland Guardians, the NFL, NBA, MLB, or any of their affiliates. Team names, logos, and other marks are the property of their respective owners.

                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Forums
                                          • Recent
                                          • Popular
                                          • Users
                                          • Donate