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  • I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy.

  • W wargograw

    I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy.

    @wargograw said:

    I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy.

    Plus....drafting DL first....3 years straight.....probably wouldnt be a good plan......???

    Thinking well have plenty more pressing needs than DT.....

    W 1 Reply
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    No love for Hartline? He has the makings of McCown's 2015 security blanket...

    Bowe is a question and Moore is not prime WR material, but we can't play enough WRs at once to get to him... or Lenz...

    @tour2ma said:

    No love for Hartline? He has the makings of McCown's 2015 security blanket...

    Bowe is a question and Moore is not prime WR material, but we can't play enough WRs at once to get to him... or Lenz...

    My bad on Hartline- but I think some fans are over rating him. Was last year an aberration, or the start of a trend? Miami found him expendable. Looking at Bowe's career stats, well- I have a bad feeling about this one. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster/Dwayne-Bowe/f1dd6831-7798-4a66-a273-06849532c058

    @wargograw said:

    I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy.

    Bosa replicates his 2014 performance, and he's a lock top 5 pick.

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @wargograw said:

    I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy.

    Plus....drafting DL first....3 years straight.....probably wouldnt be a good plan......???

    Thinking well have plenty more pressing needs than DT.....

    @mudfly said:

    Plus....drafting DL first....3 years straight.....probably wouldnt be a good plan......???

    Thinking well have plenty more pressing needs than DT.....

    Lol nope it wouldn't be.

    FTR none of the guys mentioned are DTs.

    MudflyM 1 Reply

  • Yeah I know. That's why I'm saying the move isn't worth it.

    Re: Hartline, I agree.

  • W wargograw

    @mudfly said:

    Plus....drafting DL first....3 years straight.....probably wouldnt be a good plan......???

    Thinking well have plenty more pressing needs than DT.....

    Lol nope it wouldn't be.

    FTR none of the guys mentioned are DTs.

    @wargograw said:

    FTR none of the guys mentioned are DTs.

    I guess for me thats just semantics, as we run a 3-4......and that pretty much means we have all DT's on our line and the OLB's are really our DE's....if that makes sense.....

    So, 3 outta 4 of our DE's....Hughes, Starks & Winn are converted Tackles.....with tackle skills, size, bulk, etc.....

    And the only "true" DE's weve had recently were D. Bryant, Jabaal Sheard and Armonty....and 2 of em were/are converted to LB.....and the other one added 30 lbs to bulk up and fit the DT mold......

    So....in summary..... if we drafted these guys, they would asked to fit the mold(size and play) of your standard DT..(in a 3-4)....or asked to move to LB....because our system just isnt suited for your tradition DE......

  • Right. Hall and Myles are probably both LBs in our system. Yeah Bosa would be an end.

  • Garrett with his 4.46 40 times could easily convert to OLB a la Von Miller. He will terrorize the backfield wherever he ends up. I'd still consider Bosa if we are in position to do so at a reasonable cost.

  • He's 260 and still skinny. He ain't no LB.

  • Saw today that Todd McShay's first draft top 32 for 2016 has Cardale Jones @ #19. That would give the Browns a legit shot if it held up.

    The GipperT Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • T TexasAg1969

    Saw today that Todd McShay's first draft top 32 for 2016 has Cardale Jones @ #19. That would give the Browns a legit shot if it held up.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Saw today that Todd McShay's first draft top 32 for 2016 has Cardale Jones @ #19. That would give the Browns a legit shot if it held up.

    Link?

    Nevermind, found it:

    Todd McShay's top 32 for the 2016 NFL draft

    1. Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State

    2. Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida

    3. Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Ole Miss

    4. Jalen Ramsey, S, Florida State

    5. Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss

    6. DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon

    7. Maliek Collins, DT, Nebraska

    8. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame

    9. Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State

    10. Jared Goff, QB, California

    11. A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama

    12. Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame

    13. Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU

    14. Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State

    15. Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State

    16. Ezekel Elliott, RB, Ohio State

    17. Leonard Floyd, LB, Georgia

    18. Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

    19. Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State

    20. Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State

    21. Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama

    22. Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss

    23. Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State

    24. Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville

    25. Myles Jack, LB, UCLA

    26. Su'a Cravens, S, USC

    27. Adolphus Washington, DT, Ohio State

    28. Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor

    29. Antonio Morrison, LB, Florida

    30. Will Redmond, CB, Mississippi State

    31. Mike Williams, WR, Clemson

    32. Anthony Zettel, DL, Penn State

  • Would that like be a record for 6 players from one school to be taken in Round 1?

    I will try to check.

    I couldn't find it specifically what the record is....but I suspect that the 6 Miami Hurricanes drafted in 2004 is probably the record:

    Sean Taylor

    Kellen Winslow II

    Jonathan Vilma

    DJ Williams

    Vernon Carey

    Vince Wilfork

    The OSU group, if it happened would only tie that.

    (Didn't all those guys play on the team that OSU beat in 2002?)

    Edit: That Miami team that OSU beat also had 4 other First rounders on it:

    Andre Johnson

    Jerome McDougle

    William McGahee

    William Joseph.

    Quite a talented team.

  • Also....I only see 3 WRs on McShay's list here. Thomas OSU, Treadwell Ole Miss, Williams Clemson. Does that mean next year will be a weak WR class?

  • Ohio St. did have 5 players taken in round 1 of the 2006 draft:

    AJ Hawk

    Donte Whitner

    Bobby Carpenter

    Santonio Holmes

    Nick Mangold

    (only Whitner and Mangold made Pro Bowls....but Holmes did get a SB MVP...which is better)

  • Per PFRs Career Average stat, the following are the best players drafted from Ohio St (at least going back to the 50s/60s):

    1. Paul Warfield

    2. Orlando Pace

    3. Chris Carter

    4. Jim Tyrer

    5. Randy Gradishar

    6. Eddie George

    7. Joey Galloway

    8. Jim Lachey

    9. Pepper Johnson

    10. Chris Spielman

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Per PFRs Career Average stat, the following are the best players drafted from Ohio St (at least going back to the 50s/60s):

    1. Paul Warfield

    2. Orlando Pace

    3. Chris Carter

    4. Jim Tyrer

    5. Randy Gradishar

    6. Eddie George

    7. Joey Galloway

    8. Jim Lachey

    9. Pepper Johnson

    10. Chris Spielman

    @the-gipper said:

    Per PFRs Career Average stat, the following are the best players drafted from Ohio St (at least going back to the 50s/60s):

    1. Paul Warfield

    2. Orlando Pace

    3. Chris Carter

    4. Jim Tyrer

    5. Randy Gradishar

    6. Eddie George

    7. Joey Galloway

    8. Jim Lachey

    9. Pepper Johnson

    10. Chris Spielman

    Groza, Lavelli and Willis probably were undrafted and/or before this stat was applied, eh?

    Zombo

    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • I have no faith in McCown. Can't see him lasting long.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • Z Zombo

    @the-gipper said:

    Per PFRs Career Average stat, the following are the best players drafted from Ohio St (at least going back to the 50s/60s):

    1. Paul Warfield

    2. Orlando Pace

    3. Chris Carter

    4. Jim Tyrer

    5. Randy Gradishar

    6. Eddie George

    7. Joey Galloway

    8. Jim Lachey

    9. Pepper Johnson

    10. Chris Spielman

    Groza, Lavelli and Willis probably were undrafted and/or before this stat was applied, eh?

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Groza, Lavelli and Willis probably were undrafted and/or before this stat was applied, eh?

    Zombo

    Yea, I was looking at the CA averages....which do not go back to their days....that is why I said "going back to the 50s/60s)

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    I have no faith in McCown. Can't see him lasting long.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    I have no faith in McCown. Can't see him lasting long.

    What has that got to do with either draft strategy or what we have been saying here for the last two pages.

    That is so random, like saying "I have no confidence that Beano will stop me from farting".

  • Hack, Goff or C. Jones pick 1.Look at Treadwell from old miss, A Dez look alike or Williams from Clemson either pick 2. Early likes..

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