Is it time to admit these guys arent as talented as we've been led to beleive?
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I'm sick of making excuses for the OL. We're trying to have one of the best in the league. Like no worse than top 3. That's the goal, right? Well who does everyone think is #1? The Cowboys. All their OL did last year was go into Seattle and have a 100 yard rusher. Go into St. Louis and have a 100 yard rusher. Go to Arizona and have their RB over 4 ypc and 70 yards. 100 yard rusher against the Lions. No problem.
These were all top 10 DLs and probably all but St. Louis were top 5 most likely. But when we struggle I have to read some crap about how good NYJ's DL is bla bla bla. Pisses me off. Go produce and quit making excuses. You're all vets. We shouldn't have to baby you anymore. Some of that run blocking was so terrible I couldn't fathom how we have 3 All-Pros on this line.
Aside from the penalties (not that they aren't critical), I thought the pass blocking was solid. Even Erving did a solid job when he went in there.
I'm sick of making excuses for the OL. We're trying to have one of the best in the league. Like no worse than top 3. That's the goal, right? Well who does everyone think is #1? The Cowboys. All their OL did last year was go into Seattle and have a 100 yard rusher. Go into St. Louis and have a 100 yard rusher. Go to Arizona and have their RB over 4 ypc and 70 yards. 100 yard rusher against the Lions. No problem.
Host the top-32, 2015 NYG Defense and post a total of 60 yards rushing... No Problem...
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Haden has been average, bad, or terrible, and it's completely ignored because of a couple good games. I think it's worth addressing. When you pay a guy as much as team has, you're not supposed to see that type of performance. Patrick Peterson was another guy like Haden who got a big pay day and has been abused a lot. It's strange that sometimes hype creates reality. I do think Joe is a good player who had a bad game, but his bad games are too frequent in my opinion.
Justin Gilbert could get better, but it's really weird how he's not getting better. That pick-6 vs. Luck was really encouraging last season. Maybe he can't get out of his own head, it sounds like he has some psychological stuff going on.
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Joe is of course a very great player, but he's extremely inconsistent. He can shut down AJ Green and then get owned by Brandon Marshall. You never know with him. He definitely has the talent. I think we need a better game plan next time around altogether too.
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Isnt that what we did last season??.......just over 1 year ago Farmer started and we now have replaced 80% of the team(over 1 season).....maybe they should have replaced 100%...?.....Sheesh...talk about the need for instant gratification...
Our fans expect worst to first......or else....screw em....
Considering the D line had so many injuries last season, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.....but OLB's.....they were my mantra for the draft last season(and for 2016 too).......
no instant grat dude, but c'mon...last year we were competitive, at least at the beginning of the season. THat is "offensively" of course. And we were told that just wait the defense will come along. Well they won't, nothing has been fixed from last year. I see what Pettine's stamp has left in Buffalo and frankly i'd be willing to get rid of any guys who Pettine doesn't feel can properly run his Defense. Which obviously they can't. I'm more willing to firesale a lot of guys than I am to get a new coach in here and say "well now let's see what you can do with these guys". That's been done for years now. Bring in a coach and let him draft specifically for his fit for years.
Farmer may not be who we thought he was either. I hate saying that but that dude has made some very questionable decisions lately. And frankly his drafting isn't panning out either. He refuses to acknowledge that guys that catch balls, especially poorly thrown ones, are incredibly valuable in this league.
no instant grat dude, but c'mon...last year we were competitive, at least at the beginning of the season. THat is "offensively" of course. And we were told that just wait the defense will come along. Well they won't, nothing has been fixed from last year. I see what Pettine's stamp has left in Buffalo and frankly i'd be willing to get rid of any guys who Pettine doesn't feel can properly run his Defense. Which obviously they can't. I'm more willing to firesale a lot of guys than I am to get a new coach in here and say "well now let's see what you can do with these guys". That's been done for years now. Bring in a coach and let him draft specifically for his fit for years.
Farmer may not be who we thought he was either. I hate saying that but that dude has made some very questionable decisions lately. And frankly his drafting isn't panning out either. He refuses to acknowledge that guys that catch balls, especially poorly thrown ones, are incredibly valuable in this league.
Cleve I said it last year and I'll say it this year, for the most part we beat bums last year. Our strength of schedule is harder this year and talent on offense is less.
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Haden has been average, bad, or terrible, and it's completely ignored because of a couple good games. I think it's worth addressing. When you pay a guy as much as team has, you're not supposed to see that type of performance. Patrick Peterson was another guy like Haden who got a big pay day and has been abused a lot. It's strange that sometimes hype creates reality. I do think Joe is a good player who had a bad game, but his bad games are too frequent in my opinion.
Justin Gilbert could get better, but it's really weird how he's not getting better. That pick-6 vs. Luck was really encouraging last season. Maybe he can't get out of his own head, it sounds like he has some psychological stuff going on.
Haden has been average, bad, or terrible, and it's completely ignored because of a couple good games. I think it's worth addressing. When you pay a guy as much as team has, you're not supposed to see that type of performance. Patrick Peterson was another guy like Haden who got a big pay day and has been abused a lot. It's strange that sometimes hype creates reality. I do think Joe is a good player who had a bad game, but his bad games are too frequent in my opinion.
Justin Gilbert could get better, but it's really weird how he's not getting better. That pick-6 vs. Luck was really encouraging last season. Maybe he can't get out of his own head, it sounds like he has some psychological stuff going on.
I'm one of the biggest Haden critics but he was very good last year after the slow start. He is a physical corner that doesn't always get in the best positions but in the current NFL structure to be matched up against the #1 week in and week out isn't easy. I would not have given him that salary though.
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Haden has been average, bad, or terrible, and it's completely ignored because of a couple good games. I think it's worth addressing. When you pay a guy as much as team has, you're not supposed to see that type of performance. Patrick Peterson was another guy like Haden who got a big pay day and has been abused a lot. It's strange that sometimes hype creates reality. I do think Joe is a good player who had a bad game, but his bad games are too frequent in my opinion.
Justin Gilbert could get better, but it's really weird how he's not getting better. That pick-6 vs. Luck was really encouraging last season. Maybe he can't get out of his own head, it sounds like he has some psychological stuff going on.
I'm one of the biggest Haden critics but he was very good last year after the slow start. He is a physical corner that doesn't always get in the best positions but in the current NFL structure to be matched up against the #1 week in and week out isn't easy. I would not have given him that salary though.
I'm one of the biggest Haden critics but he was very good last year after the slow start. He is a physical corner that doesn't always get in the best positions but in the current NFL structure to be matched up against the #1 week in and week out isn't easy. I would not have given him that salary though.
I think your right, Joe typically starts slow but as the season progresses so does his game.
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I'm sick of making excuses for the OL. We're trying to have one of the best in the league. Like no worse than top 3. That's the goal, right? Well who does everyone think is #1? The Cowboys. All their OL did last year was go into Seattle and have a 100 yard rusher. Go into St. Louis and have a 100 yard rusher. Go to Arizona and have their RB over 4 ypc and 70 yards. 100 yard rusher against the Lions. No problem.
Host the top-32, 2015 NYG Defense and post a total of 60 yards rushing... No Problem...
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@douche-nozzle said:
But at what point do you have to accept that a system, continuity, and stability might just be better than throwing the baby out with the bath water every year. It's plain and simple fact that starting over repeatedly will NOT work......period.
Oh at the coaching staff you're 100% right, and I am in no way suggesting we need to look elsewhere again in that respect. We see in Buffalo the last few years what Pettine is capable of given time. Obviously there were other people in Buffalo that helped draft/sign said players, but that's the kind of defense I want in Cleveland and I don't think we have the guys to do it.
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dc vs. marvel is even worse.
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no instant grat dude, but c'mon...last year we were competitive, at least at the beginning of the season. THat is "offensively" of course. And we were told that just wait the defense will come along. Well they won't, nothing has been fixed from last year. I see what Pettine's stamp has left in Buffalo and frankly i'd be willing to get rid of any guys who Pettine doesn't feel can properly run his Defense. Which obviously they can't. I'm more willing to firesale a lot of guys than I am to get a new coach in here and say "well now let's see what you can do with these guys". That's been done for years now. Bring in a coach and let him draft specifically for his fit for years.
Farmer may not be who we thought he was either. I hate saying that but that dude has made some very questionable decisions lately. And frankly his drafting isn't panning out either. He refuses to acknowledge that guys that catch balls, especially poorly thrown ones, are incredibly valuable in this league.
Cleve I said it last year and I'll say it this year, for the most part we beat bums last year. Our strength of schedule is harder this year and talent on offense is less.
Our strength of schedule is harder this year and talent on offense is less.
it's way too soon for either of these statements.
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I'm one of the biggest Haden critics but he was very good last year after the slow start. He is a physical corner that doesn't always get in the best positions but in the current NFL structure to be matched up against the #1 week in and week out isn't easy. I would not have given him that salary though.
I think your right, Joe typically starts slow but as the season progresses so does his game.
I think your right, Joe typically starts slow but as the season progresses so does his game.
Joe sitting most of camp w hammy did not help but you can't stop the same thing Jimmy Graham showed everyone. A taller receiver with a ball thrown high but catchable to taller WR Joe has no chance unless he is step for step. Those balls thrown to Marshall were well placed. Just hope for the day the FO here can move a 5th rounder to a player like Marshall. Its not because of QB play in NY but it is living in NY is why Marshall is there imo..
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