Its time to Fire Pettine
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Defense is terrible because we don't have talented enough linebackers to run it . . . That and Pettine seems too timid to put pressure on the QB at key times of the game, and especially right before halftime lol. We supposedly have a top tier secondary, but he seems to have little to zero faith in them.
I'm still annoyed that we had all that talent on the d-line but instead of running a defense that would take advantage of that depth we let a lot of guys go and run a scheme that you need good linebackers to run . . . Which we don't have of course.
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Earlier analysts were saying Drew Bree's contract will have to be renegotiated or Bree's will need to be cut or traded. I say if it's the latter, go after him and let him mold JM. Same build, same skill set. But we won't do it, even if the opportunity were to be gift wrapped. Hell I might look to see what feasibility there is in getting Bree's now.
Drew Brees is a true pocket passer, very different than Manziel, and again would cost a pretty penny to lose
Drew Brees is a true pocket passer, very different than Manziel, and again would cost a pretty penny to lose
Might be worth the investment. But we have to get our OL blocking. Don't matter who you have back there when the OL plays like like shit.
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Well, this is the easiest way to round up all the pussies.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Well, this is the easiest way to round up all the pussies.
Well, this is the easiest way to round up all the pussies.
That's right me tough, me Jaguar fan.
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Defense is terrible because we don't have talented enough linebackers to run it . . . That and Pettine seems too timid to put pressure on the QB at key times of the game, and especially right before halftime lol. We supposedly have a top tier secondary, but he seems to have little to zero faith in them.
I'm still annoyed that we had all that talent on the d-line but instead of running a defense that would take advantage of that depth we let a lot of guys go and run a scheme that you need good linebackers to run . . . Which we don't have of course.
Defense is terrible because we don't have talented enough linebackers to run it . . . That and Pettine seems too timid to put pressure on the QB at key times of the game, and especially right before halftime lol. We supposedly have a top tier secondary, but he seems to have little to zero faith in them.
I'm still annoyed that we had all that talent on the d-line but instead of running a defense that would take advantage of that depth we let a lot of guys go and run a scheme that you need good linebackers to run . . . Which we don't have of course.
I somewhat disagree. I feel that Pettine overestimates our secondary by playing man coverage all the time. Our linebackers don't get enough pressure on the QB which forces our secondary to be perfect or give up a big play..
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Defense is terrible because we don't have talented enough linebackers to run it . . . That and Pettine seems too timid to put pressure on the QB at key times of the game, and especially right before halftime lol. We supposedly have a top tier secondary, but he seems to have little to zero faith in them.
I'm still annoyed that we had all that talent on the d-line but instead of running a defense that would take advantage of that depth we let a lot of guys go and run a scheme that you need good linebackers to run . . . Which we don't have of course.
I somewhat disagree. I feel that Pettine overestimates our secondary by playing man coverage all the time. Our linebackers don't get enough pressure on the QB which forces our secondary to be perfect or give up a big play..
I somewhat disagree. I feel that Pettine overestimates our secondary by playing man coverage all the time. Our linebackers don't get enough pressure on the QB which forces our secondary to be perfect or give up a big play..
Our LBer's have been one dimensional for years. Kahlil Mack would've been a nice addition.
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Defense is terrible because we don't have talented enough linebackers to run it . . . That and Pettine seems too timid to put pressure on the QB at key times of the game, and especially right before halftime lol. We supposedly have a top tier secondary, but he seems to have little to zero faith in them.
I'm still annoyed that we had all that talent on the d-line but instead of running a defense that would take advantage of that depth we let a lot of guys go and run a scheme that you need good linebackers to run . . . Which we don't have of course.
I somewhat disagree. I feel that Pettine overestimates our secondary by playing man coverage all the time. Our linebackers don't get enough pressure on the QB which forces our secondary to be perfect or give up a big play..
I somewhat disagree. I feel that Pettine overestimates our secondary by playing man coverage all the time. Our linebackers don't get enough pressure on the QB which forces our secondary to be perfect or give up a big play..
I see your point . . . Still feel Pettine goes soft at key points in the game. At least we both agree that our linebackers are sub-par for this system they're trying to run.
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Well, this is the easiest way to round up all the pussies.
Well, this is the easiest way to round up all the pussies.
correct- round up the Browns that don't play like a Brown and ship them to the CFL. I'm bringing in the Montreal Alouettes to play the Chargers next week.
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So glad that stubborn asshole Pettine put Johnny back on the bench so we could watch this abortion by grandpa McCown. Fucking moron will be out of a job next year.
Defense my fucking cunt. What a passive agressive pussy
How articulate obviously you are a public speaker. I mean come on I can drop an F bomb with the best of them but who really says "defense my f'ing c*nt"??So glad that stubborn asshole Pettine put Johnny back on the bench so we could watch this abortion by grandpa McCown. Fucking moron will be out of a job next year.
Defense my fucking cunt. What a passive agressive pussy
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For better or worse we're stuck with Pettine for years. Firing him even next year retains are status as one of the league's biggest joke stations that no reputable coach would come to. It would take Cowher years to turn this franchise around, know why I'm sure of that? Cause the moment he got here Cowher would likely cut 90% of this roster and start the fuck over. This teams talent level is a joke and frankly I'm blaming the FO more than the coaching staff. Anyone catch who #52 was that was shitting all over our O line, stopping the run and pass rushing like the D-O-double G? Some 2nd year hooha out of Buffalo named Khalil Mack. What a loser. Why would you want a player like that on your team I don't understand. Talent is so overrated. Talented players just bring your whole organization down.
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I somewhat disagree. I feel that Pettine overestimates our secondary by playing man coverage all the time. Our linebackers don't get enough pressure on the QB which forces our secondary to be perfect or give up a big play..
I see your point . . . Still feel Pettine goes soft at key points in the game. At least we both agree that our linebackers are sub-par for this system they're trying to run.
I see your point . . . Still feel Pettine goes soft at key points in the game. At least we both agree that our linebackers are sub-par for this system they're trying to run.
Our LB'ers are just garbage. Can we all finally just agree on that? They don't stick their heads in there and tackle...they grope at the thigh pads in hopes of slowing the ball carrier down enough for someone else to drop the wood. I'm tired of this shit. These guys are junk. Dansby and Kirksey can get cut for all I care at this point. Mingo too. Robertson was the only guy who's shown half a heart on our LB'ing corp and he's hurt now. It's just a joke. I knew they didn't pass the eye test last year, i fucking knew it. Too many people here were like no dude you're crazy our LB'ers are awesome you should see their PFF's!!!
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I see your point . . . Still feel Pettine goes soft at key points in the game. At least we both agree that our linebackers are sub-par for this system they're trying to run.
Our LB'ers are just garbage. Can we all finally just agree on that? They don't stick their heads in there and tackle...they grope at the thigh pads in hopes of slowing the ball carrier down enough for someone else to drop the wood. I'm tired of this shit. These guys are junk. Dansby and Kirksey can get cut for all I care at this point. Mingo too. Robertson was the only guy who's shown half a heart on our LB'ing corp and he's hurt now. It's just a joke. I knew they didn't pass the eye test last year, i fucking knew it. Too many people here were like no dude you're crazy our LB'ers are awesome you should see their PFF's!!!
Our LB'ers are just garbage. Can we all finally just agree on that? They don't stick their heads in there and tackle...they grope at the thigh pads in hopes of slowing the ball carrier down enough for someone else to drop the wood. I'm tired of this shit. These guys are junk. Dansby and Kirksey can get cut for all I care at this point. Mingo too. Robertson was the only guy who's shown half a heart on our LB'ing corp and he's hurt now. It's just a joke. I knew they didn't pass the eye test last year, i fucking knew it. Too many people here were like no dude you're crazy our LB'ers are awesome you should see their PFF's!!!
from what I can see they just go for the opposing players' dicks on every play. We need men not faggots out there on the field.
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I see your point . . . Still feel Pettine goes soft at key points in the game. At least we both agree that our linebackers are sub-par for this system they're trying to run.
Our LB'ers are just garbage. Can we all finally just agree on that? They don't stick their heads in there and tackle...they grope at the thigh pads in hopes of slowing the ball carrier down enough for someone else to drop the wood. I'm tired of this shit. These guys are junk. Dansby and Kirksey can get cut for all I care at this point. Mingo too. Robertson was the only guy who's shown half a heart on our LB'ing corp and he's hurt now. It's just a joke. I knew they didn't pass the eye test last year, i fucking knew it. Too many people here were like no dude you're crazy our LB'ers are awesome you should see their PFF's!!!
Our LB'ers are just garbage. Can we all finally just agree on that? They don't stick their heads in there and tackle...they grope at the thigh pads in hopes of slowing the ball carrier down enough for someone else to drop the wood. I'm tired of this shit. These guys are junk. Dansby and Kirksey can get cut for all I care at this point. Mingo too. Robertson was the only guy who's shown half a heart on our LB'ing corp and he's hurt now. It's just a joke. I knew they didn't pass the eye test last year, i fucking knew it. Too many people here were like no dude you're crazy our LB'ers are awesome you should see their PFF's!!!
I doubt Jimmah is very happy about the big stinking turd the Browns laid on the hometown crowd today. From the demeanor of Pet's post game presser- he knows it too. Three down, 13 to go.
I truly have to wonder how long Haslam will put up with yet more "build for the future" games.
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Well he can't fire Pettine. Firing Chud after 1 year basically hamstrung him with any coach he signed after that. You guys can trash Chud all you want but the owner made the call and he HAS to give the guy enough time to see his system through. No one is coming here to Cleveland just to coach the Browns. You all can drop that fantasy that there's someone just dying to coach up here in NE OH. They'll come for the proper organizational setup, where they aren't getting shot in the dick everyday.
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Pettine is not going anywhere. This is a .500 team talent wise right now. This was McCown's first full game. Johnny probably makes the throw that Josh underthrew to Benjamin on the sideline the first time on the final drive. Still the offense can move the ball with McCown. At the same time, if he is going to fumble the ball away you cant make the argument to keep playing him. I'd prefer he made it half the season so Johnny has time enough to take in the playbook and hopefully keep the job. McCown hasn't done so poorly that he should be benched yet.
How the hell is Aldon Smith playing and Josh Gordon out for the season? We need his size, this micro wr line up is hard on a QB. The window is so small to make a play. Hawkins and Gabriel have hardly been a factor this season. Barnidge will become the go to guy for this reason.
The oline is not playing great football, but it's not terrible. McCown held on too long a few times today. It's clear teams do not respect our wrs, for obvious reasons. The rbs are suffering to the point they are almost useless. IMO they need to come out pass 9 out of 10 plays to back up the defense. Beyond that, I think the playing calling has been descent the last 2 games.
Is Paul Krueger going to show up this year? Armonty is the only guy out there trying to make plays. The tackling is fucking awful. Joe is great.....as a No. 2. He's getting abused by guys that play big. Whitner is close to the end guys, he is being targeted in coverage every other play. He's lost a step. The second Bademosi came on the field, the Raiders went right after him. I still don't know why he's here. I'm happy to see Desir is getting better though. I think he will give us what we wanted from Gilbert.
It comes down to the LBs, are they going to show up every game or not? Krueger, Mingo, Orchard I'm talking to you. You can't just be a specialist, you have to stop the run, it's part of your job.
But with all that said this is an 8-8 team. This is what I expected to see from a developing team. This was winnable and we'll pull out some of these games this year.
Oh and who decided to give Chris Simms a microphone for fuck sake? Can he doing anything better than his father?
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Well he can't fire Pettine. Firing Chud after 1 year basically hamstrung him with any coach he signed after that. You guys can trash Chud all you want but the owner made the call and he HAS to give the guy enough time to see his system through. No one is coming here to Cleveland just to coach the Browns. You all can drop that fantasy that there's someone just dying to coach up here in NE OH. They'll come for the proper organizational setup, where they aren't getting shot in the dick everyday.
Well he can't fire Pettine... the owner made the call and he HAS to give the guy enough time to see his system through.
Have to go back to comment I made last week...
Part of Pet's system promise was that has was, and his coaches would be, flexible enough to adapt to the talent on the roster. What micro level evidence have we seen of that? Give me a name... any name.
Now add the macro level where it seems we're hell bent on building a game-manager, play-action Offense upon a great O-line that cannot open a crease for a runner and a great Defense that can't keep the game within reach.
Where's the flexibility? On any level?
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god, i'm glad i don't drive 9 hours to cleveland to meet people i literally want to smack in the face realizing what a bunch of whiny bitches they are.
1 and 2? like we haven't seen that before? same record as half the flippin teams that got picked to make it to the playoffs. you know why other fans laugh at us? cuz 2 losses and we're asking for the coach to be fired.
what a disgrace half you fags are.
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Well he can't fire Pettine... the owner made the call and he HAS to give the guy enough time to see his system through.
Have to go back to comment I made last week...
Part of Pet's system promise was that has was, and his coaches would be, flexible enough to adapt to the talent on the roster. What micro level evidence have we seen of that? Give me a name... any name.
Now add the macro level where it seems we're hell bent on building a game-manager, play-action Offense upon a great O-line that cannot open a crease for a runner and a great Defense that can't keep the game within reach.
Where's the flexibility? On any level?
Interesting comments. I'm pretty much always opposed to firing coaches in their first 3-4 years. Pettine is not doing the things he was supposed to be good at though. The defense is genuinely embarrassing.Have to go back to comment I made last week...
Part of Pet's system promise was that has was, and his coaches would be, flexible enough to adapt to the talent on the roster. What micro level evidence have we seen of that? Give me a name... any name.
Now add the macro level where it seems we're hell bent on building a game-manager, play-action Offense upon a great O-line that cannot open a crease for a runner and a great Defense that can't keep the game within reach.
Where's the flexibility? On any level?
To his credit, whatever it's worth (and maybe that's a decent amount), the team played 60 minutes for him today.
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