Can we all agree now that this defense needs tore the fuck up?

[Clevfan4life]

@opal312 said:

what about Nate Orchard? I thought that was a really smart draft pick. I would start him, HELL start all of them! Orchard, Cooper, Erving, Shelton, and get rid of some of these injury prone, collecting a large paycheck guys.

Also, why was Bowe inactive? Did Justin Gilbert play?

Bowe was inactive probably cause he's a bum and the staff has figured out he doesn't want to play football anymore, just collect a final guaranteed paycheck and retire.

[jcam222]

After a lot of thought on our defense I note three main things 1) they can't maintain focus 2) they lack intensity. 3) they are slow .................they all need adderal!! Lol especially Haden

[TexasAg1969]

@jcam222 said:

After a lot of thought on our defense I note three main things 1) they can't maintain focus 2) they lack intensity. 3) they are slow .................they all need adderal!! Lol especially Haden

Some appear to need Geritol spiked Dr. Pepper.

[Clevfan4life]

@jcam222 said:

After a lot of thought on our defense I note three main things 1) they can't maintain focus 2) they lack intensity. 3) they are slow .................they all need adderal!! Lol especially Haden

you forgot "lacks basic NFL skillsets and athleticism".

[slimdawg]

Like the usual Browns defenses, most of them lack real tackling skills....horrible

[cdl15]

Losing Rubin, Sheard, and Skrine hurt browns that bad huh??

[miktoxic]

@clevfan4life said:

just collect a final guaranteed paycheck and retire.

just like mike holmgren who you proclaimed to be the next coming of jesus christ who would save the city/state and anything browns?

hey how'd watkins do today?

mr. nostradamus.

[Tour2ma]

Sammy caught 1 for 39 yds...

Back at the thread...

Tore up? No... but a set of multifaceted LBs would be nice.

[hoorta]

@clevfan4life said:

what was it this game...135 yds out of a RB again? Is that ever gonna stop?

I thought one of the off season priorities was to shore up the run defense FAIL.

@clevfan4life said:

Bowe was inactive probably cause he's a bum and the staff has figured out he doesn't want to play football anymore, just collect a final guaranteed paycheck and retire.

bingo!!!

[wargograw]

Don't agree with the sentiment in the OP per se. But it is time for Meder to start.

[jrb12711]

I think one guy it's time to examine out there on the field is Whitner. Love the dude and was way solid for several years, but he's starting to lose it now. Misses tackle like crazy, gets beat in coverage a lot, and just doesn't look quick out there. I think he's the best option as of this second but he's also becoming a glaring weakness.

[TexasAg1969]

@jrb12711 said:

I think one guy it's time to examine out there on the field is Whitner. Love the dude and was way solid for several years, but he's starting to lose it now. Misses tackle like crazy, gets beat in coverage a lot, and just doesn't look quick out there. I think he's the best option as of this second but he's also becoming a glaring weakness.

And did you catch the play of our former safety T.J. Ward last night? All world.

[Clevfan4life]

@miktoxic said:

just like mike holmgren who you proclaimed to be the next coming of jesus christ who would save the city/state and anything browns?

hey how'd watkins do today?

mr. nostradamus.

Holmgren? I wasn't even here during the Holmgren era. I couldn't stand that fuck after he got rid of Vickers. You got me confused with someone else. As for Watkins, no I didn't see how he did today but apparently he was only thrown to like once. Could be cause he attracts so much of secondary's attentions that they can't throw to him reliably. Do we have anyone like that on the Browns? Someone defense's say "shit we gotta double dat nigga!!"

[Furious Styles]

I stopped reading at " helmet in the guys midsection like you're taught in HS".

Doing that a few times to a stud NFL. player could be a sure way to end up on a stiff board with a neck brace on.

[Clevfan4life]

@tour2ma said:

Sammy caught 1 for 39 yds...

Back at the thread...

Tore up? No... but a set of multifaceted LBs would be nice.

I just see us so deficient at so many positions that I would be reaching for the mulligan button. The entire LB'ing needs fired. So much of the secondary needs replaced it's almost a firesale. Most of the D line excluding the Bryants and Shelton need to go. It is almost a complete tear up. There is not ONE single player on our defense that you can say "oh he's a bonafide playmaker he absolutely has to stay". Not one guy. There's guys that are solid that i'd like to keep and see how they develop...but not one bonafide stud yet. Tired of it.

[bbedward]

Defense looks good in flashes, very inconsistent. More often bad than good, though.

McCown threw 50 times. Can't win a game like that, something has to change in the oline and run game fast.

[Clevfan4life]

@bbedward said:

Defense looks good in flashes, very inconsistent. More often bad than good, though.

McCown threw 50 times. Can't win a game like that, something has to change in the oline and run game fast.

yeah for sure, cause the O line is starting to look like it needs fire sale'd too.

[Mudfly]

The D is really disappointing....for sure....some of the same culprits from last season....and a few unexpected ones too....

First....the expected......Our OLBs are playing terrible(again).....Mingo, Orchard and Kruger aint getting it done....cant seal an edge for their lives or help out in the run game....and offering exactly "zero" in terms of pass rush....weak last year and weak this year.....THIS is problem #1......

Honestly think the D line has improved....a lot!....though Des Bryant still sucks(only 1 tackle and nothing else so far).....But I do see Shelton and Starks as GREAT adds and expect they will continue to improve.....but the line cant do it all and the OLB's are making it too easy just to bounce outside and run.......

And the real culprits are the guys we all thought were so good.....Gipson, Haden and Whitner.....all 3 are playing poorly and it's really costing us.....In fact, according to PFF, they are the lowest rated Browns defenders(supposedly our 3 best players, pro bowlers, etc etc)....the glimmer of hope is that they have a history of playing well, so gotta hope they find their game and get back on track.....though they are being asked to do WAY too much, because the OLB's cant stop shit......Whitner leads the team in tackles(and missed tackles), but he's trying to do Krugers job.....Same can be said for Gipson and Mingo.....Gonna give props to Traymon Williams though, cause he has played really well.....and, as a side note, Desir was our top rated DB this week.....

Last draft I had OLB as our #1 need.....and Im sticking to that.....its glaring......

[Clevfan4life]

stop looking at PFF's mud, lol. I dont' care what some stat page says, NONE of our guys are really passing the eye test wth flying colors save perhaps Armonty "for now". None of our guys are ever really in the proper position and you can see it. It might not show in the stats, but these guys are playing lost in the tall weeds.

[darubes]

One of the most telling statistics I saw about the defense

in this game was this: Not only were the Browns not credited

with a sack they were not even credited with a QB hit. NO

QB HITS. That is hard to imagine.