Can we all agree now that this defense needs tore the fuck up?
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what about Nate Orchard? I thought that was a really smart draft pick. I would start him, HELL start all of them! Orchard, Cooper, Erving, Shelton, and get rid of some of these injury prone, collecting a large paycheck guys.
Also, why was Bowe inactive? Did Justin Gilbert play?
Bowe was inactive probably cause he's a bum and the staff has figured out he doesn't want to play football anymore, just collect a final guaranteed paycheck and retire.
just collect a final guaranteed paycheck and retire.
just like mike holmgren who you proclaimed to be the next coming of jesus christ who would save the city/state and anything browns?
hey how'd watkins do today?
mr. nostradamus.
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what was it this game...135 yds out of a RB again? Is that ever gonna stop?
what was it this game...135 yds out of a RB again? Is that ever gonna stop?
I thought one of the off season priorities was to shore up the run defense FAIL.
Bowe was inactive probably cause he's a bum and the staff has figured out he doesn't want to play football anymore, just collect a final guaranteed paycheck and retire.
bingo!!!
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Don't agree with the sentiment in the OP per se. But it is time for Meder to start.
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I think one guy it's time to examine out there on the field is Whitner. Love the dude and was way solid for several years, but he's starting to lose it now. Misses tackle like crazy, gets beat in coverage a lot, and just doesn't look quick out there. I think he's the best option as of this second but he's also becoming a glaring weakness.
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I think one guy it's time to examine out there on the field is Whitner. Love the dude and was way solid for several years, but he's starting to lose it now. Misses tackle like crazy, gets beat in coverage a lot, and just doesn't look quick out there. I think he's the best option as of this second but he's also becoming a glaring weakness.
I think one guy it's time to examine out there on the field is Whitner. Love the dude and was way solid for several years, but he's starting to lose it now. Misses tackle like crazy, gets beat in coverage a lot, and just doesn't look quick out there. I think he's the best option as of this second but he's also becoming a glaring weakness.
And did you catch the play of our former safety T.J. Ward last night? All world.
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just collect a final guaranteed paycheck and retire.
just like mike holmgren who you proclaimed to be the next coming of jesus christ who would save the city/state and anything browns?
hey how'd watkins do today?
mr. nostradamus.
just like mike holmgren who you proclaimed to be the next coming of jesus christ who would save the city/state and anything browns?
hey how'd watkins do today?
mr. nostradamus.
Holmgren? I wasn't even here during the Holmgren era. I couldn't stand that fuck after he got rid of Vickers. You got me confused with someone else. As for Watkins, no I didn't see how he did today but apparently he was only thrown to like once. Could be cause he attracts so much of secondary's attentions that they can't throw to him reliably. Do we have anyone like that on the Browns? Someone defense's say "shit we gotta double dat nigga!!"
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I stopped reading at " helmet in the guys midsection like you're taught in HS".
Doing that a few times to a stud NFL. player could be a sure way to end up on a stiff board with a neck brace on.
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Sammy caught 1 for 39 yds...
Back at the thread...
Tore up? No... but a set of multifaceted LBs would be nice.
Sammy caught 1 for 39 yds...
Back at the thread...
Tore up? No... but a set of multifaceted LBs would be nice.
I just see us so deficient at so many positions that I would be reaching for the mulligan button. The entire LB'ing needs fired. So much of the secondary needs replaced it's almost a firesale. Most of the D line excluding the Bryants and Shelton need to go. It is almost a complete tear up. There is not ONE single player on our defense that you can say "oh he's a bonafide playmaker he absolutely has to stay". Not one guy. There's guys that are solid that i'd like to keep and see how they develop...but not one bonafide stud yet. Tired of it.
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Defense looks good in flashes, very inconsistent. More often bad than good, though.
McCown threw 50 times. Can't win a game like that, something has to change in the oline and run game fast.
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Defense looks good in flashes, very inconsistent. More often bad than good, though.
McCown threw 50 times. Can't win a game like that, something has to change in the oline and run game fast.
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The D is really disappointing....for sure....some of the same culprits from last season....and a few unexpected ones too....
First....the expected......Our OLBs are playing terrible(again).....Mingo, Orchard and Kruger aint getting it done....cant seal an edge for their lives or help out in the run game....and offering exactly "zero" in terms of pass rush....weak last year and weak this year.....THIS is problem #1......
Honestly think the D line has improved....a lot!....though Des Bryant still sucks(only 1 tackle and nothing else so far).....But I do see Shelton and Starks as GREAT adds and expect they will continue to improve.....but the line cant do it all and the OLB's are making it too easy just to bounce outside and run.......
And the real culprits are the guys we all thought were so good.....Gipson, Haden and Whitner.....all 3 are playing poorly and it's really costing us.....In fact, according to PFF, they are the lowest rated Browns defenders(supposedly our 3 best players, pro bowlers, etc etc)....the glimmer of hope is that they have a history of playing well, so gotta hope they find their game and get back on track.....though they are being asked to do WAY too much, because the OLB's cant stop shit......Whitner leads the team in tackles(and missed tackles), but he's trying to do Krugers job.....Same can be said for Gipson and Mingo.....Gonna give props to Traymon Williams though, cause he has played really well.....and, as a side note, Desir was our top rated DB this week.....
Last draft I had OLB as our #1 need.....and Im sticking to that.....its glaring......
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stop looking at PFF's mud, lol. I dont' care what some stat page says, NONE of our guys are really passing the eye test wth flying colors save perhaps Armonty "for now". None of our guys are ever really in the proper position and you can see it. It might not show in the stats, but these guys are playing lost in the tall weeds.
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I'll have to go back and rewatch, since it was my birthday weekend and I was slightly inebriated during the game...but from memory:
Haden is a shell of his former self.
Mingo does not deserve to be on an NFL field.
If not for Tramon Williams, I'd rate our defensive backfield in the bottom 10 of the league.
Our LB corps is incapable of filling or meeting backs at the line.
Our edge presence is negligible at best.
DB's and OLB's seem more content with taking on a block than attempting a tackle.
There were multiple occasions where Oakland would run off tackle and our OLB's would backpedal, ride the block and try to usher the RB toward the sideline rather than attack, hold ground, and force the RB to pick a lane. Same goes for playside DB's.
All around, I'd say our defense played in the 28th- 32nd in the league range.
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I'll have to go back and rewatch, since it was my birthday weekend and I was slightly inebriated during the game...but from memory:
Haden is a shell of his former self.
Mingo does not deserve to be on an NFL field.
If not for Tramon Williams, I'd rate our defensive backfield in the bottom 10 of the league.
Our LB corps is incapable of filling or meeting backs at the line.
Our edge presence is negligible at best.
DB's and OLB's seem more content with taking on a block than attempting a tackle.
There were multiple occasions where Oakland would run off tackle and our OLB's would backpedal, ride the block and try to usher the RB toward the sideline rather than attack, hold ground, and force the RB to pick a lane. Same goes for playside DB's.
All around, I'd say our defense played in the 28th- 32nd in the league range.
I'll have to go back and rewatch, since it was my birthday weekend and I was slightly inebriated during the game...but from memory:
Haden is a shell of his former self.
Mingo does not deserve to be on an NFL field.
If not for Tramon Williams, I'd rate our defensive backfield in the bottom 10 of the league.
Our LB corps is incapable of filling or meeting backs at the line.
Our edge presence is negligible at best.
DB's and OLB's seem more content with taking on a block than attempting a tackle.
There were multiple occasions where Oakland would run off tackle and our OLB's would backpedal, ride the block and try to usher the RB toward the sideline rather than attack, hold ground, and force the RB to pick a lane. Same goes for playside DB's.
All around, I'd say our defense played in the 28th- 32nd in the league range.
Dead on the money right about the LB'ers meeting RB's at the line. I think I've seen it like less than 5 times over the last 2 years and half of that was from Robertson.
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right on about OLB'ers too, watching Kruger stunt inside and getting washed out of the play as the RB takes the corner....it's just hard to watch anymore. There's no hard identity to this defense. Kruger is not a standup OLB'er, shoehorning him into this defense is horrible as he ends up doing nothing all that good. Also right on Mingo, always gettin run over.
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I guess the ratbirds should throw out their hc and entire defense and start all over again...
because they gave up 37 pts to Oakland.....
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Defense looks good in flashes, very inconsistent. More often bad than good, though.
McCown threw 50 times. Can't win a game like that, something has to change in the oline and run game fast.
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