Is Haden Washed Up?
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Haden was torn to shreds yesterday. Targeted six times and allowing all six to be caught, for 87 yards. Worst part, it was Amari Cooper on all six completions...so a rookie took Haden to task. Truth be told, Haden has seemed to be a little behind the ball this entire year. So, it begs the question, is Haden past his prime or is there another reason for his seemingly garbage play.
In poking around, I've seen a few different excuses:
- His injury is worse than it seems.
- Our front seven are failing to get the the QB.
- He is targeted more often, thus it seems like he is giving up more plays when in reality the percentage is about the same.
Those are the only three excuses I've seen mentioned, and the third (in my opinion) is bullshit and possibly not even true. Being that I'm at work, I haven't had time to do any research into the first two, but I'd lay some credence to the second one.
As for the first...if he's injured, he shouldn't be playing.
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I mentioned in another post that l recall him being a slow starter. No real evidence, just a recollection of past years. We should see marked improvement any day now. Yep, any day now.
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He'll be ok. I think he's rusty, as he didn't play very much in the preseason.
Some in the Cleveland media were questioning the atmosphere at camp this summer, saying it was too relaxed. If that's true, this is the main reason why we don't look hungry as a team.
Joe Haden and Joe Thomas need to step up leadership roles, or this season's going into the tank real fast.
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He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
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He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
Because he's supposed to be an All Pro WR...and that's his job.
"No corner could cover a WR for more than four-five seconds" is a cop out. If that's what the defense calls for and Haden can't do it, then who's fault is it? Is it the GM's fault for not supplying talent to run the scheme? Is it the coach's fault for not adapting the scheme to fit his players?
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Play Justin Gilbert if Haden is injured. 8th overall pick needs to produce. And tell Haslam to start paying his players before they leave. TJ WARD, SKRINE, RUBEN AND SHEARD. We had chemistry! Who will leave this year? Gipson? Mack?
Play Orchard, Cooper, Gaines and pick up a running back.
Farmer needs to GET OFF THE SCHNEID and start earning his money!
Turbiin is a question mark because he never played in Seattle. I notice that Seattle had A nobody Rawls rush for 104 yards. So maybe Turbin will work out. Seattle has been really good scouting talent.
GET OFF THE SCHNEID FARMER AND DO YOUR JOB!
We're on to San Diego"
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Play Justin Gilbert if Haden is injured. 8th overall pick needs to produce. And tell Haslam to start paying his players before they leave. TJ WARD, SKRINE, RUBEN AND SHEARD. We had chemistry! Who will leave this year? Gipson? Mack?
Play Orchard, Cooper, Gaines and pick up a running back.
Farmer needs to GET OFF THE SCHNEID and start earning his money!
Turbiin is a question mark because he never played in Seattle. I notice that Seattle had A nobody Rawls rush for 104 yards. So maybe Turbin will work out. Seattle has been really good scouting talent.
GET OFF THE SCHNEID FARMER AND DO YOUR JOB!
We're on to San Diego"
Play Justin Gilbert if Haden is injured. 8th overall pick needs to produce. And tell Haslam to start paying his players before they leave. TJ WARD, SKRINE, RUBEN AND SHEARD. We had chemistry! Who will leave this year? Gipson? Mack?
Play Orchard, Cooper, Gaines and pick up a running back.
Farmer needs to GET OFF THE SCHNEID and start earning his money!
Turbiin is a question mark because he never played in Seattle. I notice that Seattle had A nobody Rawls rush for 104 yards. So maybe Turbin will work out. Seattle has been really good scouting talent.
GET OFF THE SCHNEID FARMER AND DO YOUR JOB!
We're on to San Diego"
Farmer cant do anything till after the next game (serving 4 game suspension)
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He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
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#Browns Haden suffers rib injury on 1st play in loss to Raiders, will undergo MRI:"It was tough but it's no excuse'' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/09/joe_haden_cleveland_browns.html …
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He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
If we are talking rusty your boy Cam Heyward had 0 (zero) QB pressures on 30 pass rushes last week. According to PFF.
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He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
Because he's supposed to be an All Pro WR...and that's his job.
"No corner could cover a WR for more than four-five seconds" is a cop out. If that's what the defense calls for and Haden can't do it, then who's fault is it? Is it the GM's fault for not supplying talent to run the scheme? Is it the coach's fault for not adapting the scheme to fit his players?
Because he's supposed to be an All Pro WR...and that's his job.
"No corner could cover a WR for more than four-five seconds" is a cop out. If that's what the defense calls for and Haden can't do it, then who's fault is it? Is it the GM's fault for not supplying talent to run the scheme? Is it the coach's fault for not adapting the scheme to fit his players?
If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Why is it that Haden can lock-up AJ Green - a tall, quality WR - but get abused by Amari Cooper and Brandon Marshall? Haden comes to play against Green; he's always jacked-up and considers it a true mano-a-mano test of who's best. If Haden can apply that hunger to "be the best" week in and week out, instead of just doing so against Green, then it's problem solved.
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He gets the top receiver assigned one on one every week. The last two (Marshall and Cooper) have been tall, strong, fast and have excellent moves. Since we rarely scheme help for him, why would that surprise that he gets burned by what are going to be most likely the two top all-pro WR's?
Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
We can throw Julio Jones in with 'em if you like, but yes, in my opinion those are all all-pro by the end of the year.
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Because he's supposed to be an All Pro WR...and that's his job.
"No corner could cover a WR for more than four-five seconds" is a cop out. If that's what the defense calls for and Haden can't do it, then who's fault is it? Is it the GM's fault for not supplying talent to run the scheme? Is it the coach's fault for not adapting the scheme to fit his players?
If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
Sorry rational thinking is not allowed here.
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Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
If we are talking rusty your boy Cam Heyward had 0 (zero) QB pressures on 30 pass rushes last week. According to PFF.
If we are talking rusty your boy Cam Heyward had 0 (zero) QB pressures on 30 pass rushes last week. According to PFF.
What was the score of that game? Remind me. How many times did kaep go down? Then you can check how many tackles shazier had that game. If he's occupying lineman and freeing up the linebackers he's doing fine. Criticizing Heyward is hilarious. He's one of the top 34 ends in the nfl.
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Marshall and Cooper are going to be the two top recievers this year? Not likely. As far as some of the other comments if Haden still has rust in week three of the season there is a problem.
We can throw Julio Jones in with 'em if you like, but yes, in my opinion those are all all-pro by the end of the year.
We can throw Julio Jones in with 'em if you like, but yes, in my opinion those are all all-pro by the end of the year.
Right now Marshall is 10th, Cooper is 8th. Top two are Julio Jones and Antonio Brown.
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If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
Sorry rational thinking is not allowed here.
Sorry rational thinking is not allowed here.
Says the old fart
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We can throw Julio Jones in with 'em if you like, but yes, in my opinion those are all all-pro by the end of the year.
Right now Marshall is 10th, Cooper is 8th. Top two are Julio Jones and Antonio Brown.
Cut him some slack. Marshall and Cooper looked All Pro against the Browns.Right now Marshall is 10th, Cooper is 8th. Top two are Julio Jones and Antonio Brown.
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Cut him some slack. Marshall and Cooper looked All Pro against the Browns.
Ha, must be the case. I try to watch as much football as possible. I guess some of these guys only watch the Browns.
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Because he's supposed to be an All Pro WR...and that's his job.
"No corner could cover a WR for more than four-five seconds" is a cop out. If that's what the defense calls for and Haden can't do it, then who's fault is it? Is it the GM's fault for not supplying talent to run the scheme? Is it the coach's fault for not adapting the scheme to fit his players?
If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
If the opposing team's QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball...the problem isn't your CB, it's the lack of a pass rush.
I agree.
But if you fail to do your job, you shouldn't be doing it...not passing the buck.
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