Its time to Fire Pettine

Canton Dawg

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

our defense seemed to play pretty well last year especially with generating turnovers.. This year has been terrible. I vaguely remember Pettine stating he was turning the defense over to O'Neil this year so Pettine could help out with the offense. If true, maybe O'Neil has no clue how to run a defense by himself?

If the defense continues to suck, we may as well start manziel because the season will be lost anyway..

MKC asked Pettine if he was going to shift his attention away from the offense and focus more on defense.

He said that it looks like he's going to have to spend some time with O'neil.

Tour2ma

@texasag1969 said:
Fire the coach? And who would any of you then hire?

@mudfly said:
#1 is Flip.....and #1B is ONeill.....good position coaches, but maybe they are in over their heads as coordinators.....

Put these two posts together and you have the short list of interim HCs if Pet is fired.

Who are you picking Walter?

Good point, mud... I'm also wondering if we are missing Moeller more than a little...

@calfoxwc said:
Maybe it's a case of the defense having a few 4-3 lbs that aren't hybrid 3-4 oriented.

Which brings us back to the authenticity of Pet's "adapt-to-the-players" credo...

jcam222

Haslam needs to give 20% ownership and a zillion dollars to Ted Thompson. That guy could draft an actual turd and it would turn to gold.

PoeticG

They could have had Rubin, Sheard and Skrine, but that would mean that we couldn't have gotten Bowe.... oh, wait....

Tour2ma

@canton-mike said:
How much, if any of this, is due to OL Coach Moeller's situation?

Another example of great minds thi... aw... whatever...

Rookies and 2nd-year execs are going to make mistakes...

The question is: Are Pet and Farm learning from their mistakes?

jcam222

@tour2ma said:
Another example of great minds thi... aw... whatever...Rookies and 2nd-year execs are going to make mistakes...The question is: Are Pet and Farm learning from their mistakes?

i can see my way to this for Pettine. Farmers list of ridiculous decisions is just to the point of ridiculous. His texting violating both NFL rules and any semblance of chain of command should have got him fired. Bowe is a $9 million dollar buddy to buddy abuse of power. Those two top a top ten list made for late night TV.

Canton Mike

I'm not in line with the firing of Pettine, Farmer, et al but think Flip (rookie OC) & O'Neil have a LONG ways to go before they are successful at the NFL level. I also think we're missing Moeller more than many of us thought we would & I also seriously question our strength & conditioning program. We have WAY too many lingering injuries, ESPECIALLY hamstrings.

We'll just have to wait & see what happens.

Mike

hoorta

@nickers said:

Paul brown was emotionless on the sidelines.. .. So that makes him bad?

So was Tom Landry

Tour2ma

I think Paul's and Tom's glares were more than enough to communicate their emotional state...

Of course, blank stare meant tickled shitless....

@jcam222 said:
Bowe is a $9 million dollar buddy to buddy abuse of power. Those two top a top ten list made for late night TV.

Pet stood up for Bowe in his 9/28 Presser...

"It's a long season... we expect him to contribute... he's as disappointed as we are..."

Seemed genuine, but I'll be curious to see if anything develops after Farmer is back from suspension...

StinkHole

@hoorta said:
So was Tom Landry

And the great Chuck Noll.

dawg2fan

@jcam222 said:
i can see my way to this for Pettine. Farmers list of ridiculous decisions is just to the point of ridiculous. His texting violating both NFL rules and any semblance of chain of command should have got him fired. Bowe is a $9 million dollar buddy to buddy abuse of power. Those two top a top ten list made for late night TV.

Here is the problem with the Browns:

1)When was the last time we gave our HC enough time without firing him? The last one was Romeo and he deserved it. We need to give them time to fully implement their schemes. Pettine has not been here long enough to allow that to happen.

2)The same goes for (our GM) Farmer. We should give them time to learn from their mistakes. Who's to say Farmer doesn't learn not to go after washed up players like Bowe. We are one of very few teams in the league that has a revolving door policy when it comes to GMs and HCs.

We will forever be known as a team that continues to get a new GM and HC. I say we give both the HC and GM about 5 years to show what they can do. If we are in the same boat, when we fire both of them. But 5 years minimum.

TexasAg1969

@dawg2fan said:

Here is the problem with the Browns:

1)When was the last time we gave our HC enough time without firing him? The last one was Romeo and he deserved it. We need to give them time to fully implement their schemes. Pettine has not been here long enough to allow that to happen.

2)The same goes for (our GM) Farmer. We should give them time to learn from their mistakes. Who's to say Farmer doesn't learn not to go after washed up players like Bowe. We are one of very few teams in the league that has a revolving door policy when it comes to GMs and HCs.

We will forever be known as a team that continues to get a new GM and HC. I say we give both the HC and GM about 5 years to show what they can do. If we are in the same boat, when we fire both of them. But 5 years minimum.

PS-add the QB position to that list and then you have it exactly right.

Canton Mike

I totally agree with the above 2 posts. Maybe though, we go back in time & suggest the Steelers fire Chuck Noll after 1-13, 5-9 & 6-8 seasons or the 49ers fire Bill Walsh after 2-14 & 6-10 seasons. PATIENCE people, PATIENCE. The key is that they learn OJT. I'm willing to wait & see what happens.Hell, at my age, I should be one of the biggest basket cases on this board but I don't plan on kickin' the bucket anytime soon, so they have some time left to bring me a Super Bowl.

Mike

Roc585

@canton-mike said:

I totally agree with the above 2 posts. Maybe though, we go back in time & suggest the Steelers fire Chuck Noll after 1-13, 5-9 & 6-8 seasons or the 49ers fire Bill Walsh after 2-14 & 6-10 seasons. PATIENCE people, PATIENCE. The key is that they learn OJT. I'm willing to wait & see what happens.Hell, at my age, I should be one of the biggest basket cases on this board but I don't plan on kickin' the bucket anytime soon, so they have some time left to bring me a Super Bowl.

Mike

I'm not saying fire petine, but the above coaches you stated at least showed progress each year. we'll see what happens the rest of the season, but we need to see progress each year. just my opinion of course

Tour2ma

We saw progress last year and last I checked this year is not over...

But five years? How 'bout 4?

While I am also planning on being around a while, at four I get an extra cycle in a 20-year period.

Lord knows tho... I sure hope we don't need an extra cycle...

WalterWhite

We are comparing Mike Pettine to Chuck Knoll now?

For fucks sake...

jcam222

@dawg2fan said:

Here is the problem with the Browns:

1)When was the last time we gave our HC enough time without firing him? The last one was Romeo and he deserved it. We need to give them time to fully implement their schemes. Pettine has not been here long enough to allow that to happen.

2)The same goes for (our GM) Farmer. We should give them time to learn from their mistakes. Who's to say Farmer doesn't learn not to go after washed up players like Bowe. We are one of very few teams in the league that has a revolving door policy when it comes to GMs and HCs.

We will forever be known as a team that continues to get a new GM and HC. I say we give both the HC and GM about 5 years to show what they can do. If we are in the same boat, when we fire both of them. But 5 years minimum.

The texting thing was not a mistake. It was a clear indication of his narcissism and disregard for rules. It was also a blatant indication of his disrespect towards the HC.

tiamat63

@walterwhite said:

We are comparing Mike Pettine to Chuck Knoll now?

For fucks sake...

Every bit as logical as some of your posts.

Canton Mike

@roc585 said:

I'm not saying fire petine, but the above coaches you stated at least showed progress each year. we'll see what happens the rest of the season, but we need to see progress each year. just my opinion of course

I saved this as I expected at least one response like yours. After Bill Walsh's 1st 2 seasons I mentioned, he went 13-3, then 3-6 & they still didn't fire him. Consistent winning patterns don't usually happen overnight.

Walter, I won't even dignify your inane statements with a response beyond this... What grade are you in?

Mike

WalterWhite

@tiamat63 said:
Every bit as logical as some of your posts.

I totally apologize.

Mike Pettine has done wonders and his decision to start the savy toughened vet payed off Sunday.

I'm sorry I'm not a "real Browns fan" and at the age of 28 not able to understand what it was like "in your day" with the The Kardiac Kids.

We just need to give Pettine and Famer a solid 5 years more of McCowns, Tates, Wests, Gilberts, Houslers, Bowe's, and Mayles.

We just need to give Pettine more time so the players won't look like lackadaisical assholes on Sundays.