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Carson and Trump, Rising and Falling, 20% and 21%

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  • http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/27/two-republican-presidential-candidates-practically-even-at-top-of-new-poll/

    Honesty and genuineness is surging - entertainment and circus barkership is ebbing.

    Carson-Rubio/Fiorina. something like that.

  • The American people need a lesson on thermodynamics. Carson is the guy to do it!

    Not surprised trump is falling

    Did Carson rise? Or did trump voters just spread out?

  • As the lower tier candidates fade off into the sunset their miniscule parcels of support will go to someone else. Trunp probably started with his full group of fans.

    WSS

  • I think some of the Trump support has diverted to Carson/Fiorina, which makes sense people don't want an "establishment" candidate.

  • And Woody, it would be more valuable that the President of the United States be able to nail the soliloquy from King Lear than to drone on about thermodynamics. And I suspect you will agree with me even though you won't want to.

    WSS

  • I'm more and more behind carson. I don't have a problem with him being an evangelical christian and him being a doctor speaks for his trustworthiness which many other candidates are lacking.

  • And Woody, it would be more valuable that the President of the United States be able to nail the soliloquy from King Lear than to drone on about thermodynamics. And I suspect you will agree with me even though you won't want to.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    And Woody, it would be more valuable that the President of the United States be able to nail the soliloquy from King Lear than to drone on about thermodynamics. And I suspect you will agree with me even though you won't want to.

    WSS

    In the sense of winning an election? Being a good speaker/performer wins.

    In a general ability to lead sense, I think a president with a strong analytic mind and problem solving abilities would be nice. Sure, you still need to speak and communicate, but I firmly believe its easier to be analytical and learn soft skills than vice versa.

    But again, my problem with Carson is his willful ignorance. Not a trait I want in a president. The thermodynamics joke is just the latest on that front.

  • @westside-steve said:

    And Woody, it would be more valuable that the President of the United States be able to nail the soliloquy from King Lear than to drone on about thermodynamics. And I suspect you will agree with me even though you won't want to.

    WSS

    In the sense of winning an election? Being a good speaker/performer wins.

    In a general ability to lead sense, I think a president with a strong analytic mind and problem solving abilities would be nice. Sure, you still need to speak and communicate, but I firmly believe its easier to be analytical and learn soft skills than vice versa.

    But again, my problem with Carson is his willful ignorance. Not a trait I want in a president. The thermodynamics joke is just the latest on that front.

    @mld-woody said:

    In the sense of winning an election? Being a good speaker/performer wins.

    In a general ability to lead sense, I think a president with a strong analytic mind and problem solving abilities would be nice. Sure, you still need to speak and communicate, but I firmly believe its easier to be analytical and learn soft skills than vice versa.

    But again, my problem with Carson is his willful ignorance. Not a trait I want in a president. The thermodynamics joke is just the latest on that front.

    Well you'll have your choice between willful ignorance and just regular ignorance. I'd be surprised if the president has any more knowledge of thermodynamics than I do but I assume he or his handlers, are capable of selecting advisors that would have that knowledge should that subject ever be important enough for him to make a decision. Same as if you or I were president.

    WSS

  • @mld-woody said:

    In the sense of winning an election? Being a good speaker/performer wins.

    In a general ability to lead sense, I think a president with a strong analytic mind and problem solving abilities would be nice. Sure, you still need to speak and communicate, but I firmly believe its easier to be analytical and learn soft skills than vice versa.

    But again, my problem with Carson is his willful ignorance. Not a trait I want in a president. The thermodynamics joke is just the latest on that front.

    Well you'll have your choice between willful ignorance and just regular ignorance. I'd be surprised if the president has any more knowledge of thermodynamics than I do but I assume he or his handlers, are capable of selecting advisors that would have that knowledge should that subject ever be important enough for him to make a decision. Same as if you or I were president.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Well you'll have your choice between willful ignorance and just regular ignorance. I'd be surprised if the president has any more knowledge of thermodynamics than I do but I assume he or his handlers, are capable of selecting advisors that would have that knowledge should that subject ever be important enough for him to make a decision. Same as if you or I were president.

    WSS

    Don't get caught up on the thermodynamics part, lol. That's just to make fun of Carson. Think on a broader, problem solving, analytical skills level.

    I'd rather have ignorance than willful ignorance. The latter I more dangerous in my opinion.

  • Where were all those problem solving skills when he was performing brain surgery? Oh wait.

  • Great leaders do not need to be geniuses.. although it helps. Their job is to inspire positivity within the country so we can go forward confidently and advance our civilization.

  • There is more to life than scientific analysis, Woody. People self-actualize in many, many

    individual ways - they experience different things every day, every month/year...

    you have to allow for people to believe things, based on their experiences in life,

    that you don't, because you never experienced those experiences that they did.

    It doesn't negate their beliefs....and you are a gallant defender of scientific explanation

    for anything that exists, but you ridicule anything that science can't prove the existence of.

    http://www.str.org/articles/what-science-can-t-prove#.Vgq1SHpVgoI

  • Many scientific theories cannot be proven but are accepted as fact due to a mountain of evidence supporting it. Said mountain of evidence exists against the "the world is 6000 years old" argument. I understand where woody is coming from (I think..) and I could see where it would bother him. Don't let a scientific mind tunnel vision you woody. There is more to leading than that.

  • Refuting evidence on man-made global warming may be hazardous to future generations, though. Unfortunately most of the GOP field refutes that. I get we have bigger problems than that, but still shouldn't be ignored.

    I don't like when somebody uses quasi science to justify their religious beliefs, though (a la, Carson).

    I think Fiorina is way more dangerous than Carson, however. Rebuilt the sixth fleet (that's stronger than ever ATM), poland missile defense system.

    Repeatedly defending her account of the PP videos and what they're doing - after what she said was determined to be wrong by a bajillion sources.

    I don't really know how I feel about Carson as POTUS yet, but Fiorina I don't want any part of.

  • I understand. But emotionally, there's a mountain of evidence to me,

    that it is impossible for me to have lived to see the sixth grade,

    without the grace of God. Certainly, in the great universal scheme of things,

    it makes no sense to someone else, because they didn't experience

    what I experienced.

    would it be preferable, if Dr. Carson was an atheist, and explained his brilliant successes

    and everything he experienced, on simple science and his "godlike" abilities in being a world-renowned

    great surgeon?

    The Bible is an incredibly brilliant and complex work... and was not written in English, ya know.

    And the divinely inspired writers wrote in the original books in Hebrew and Greek.

    And, personally, I allow for them to have had limited scientific understanding in explaining

    what they were trying to explain in said languages.

    Just a reasonable article on the subject:

    http://stevenmcollins.com/html/earth.html

  • Where were all those problem solving skills when he was performing brain surgery? Oh wait.

    @blowe said:

    Where were all those problem solving skills when he was performing brain surgery? Oh wait.

    That's an excellent point. I would not be surprised if the doctor believes that praying to God can change things yet he is not a Christian Scientist by any stretch of the imagination.

    WSS

  • I understand. But emotionally, there's a mountain of evidence to me,

    that it is impossible for me to have lived to see the sixth grade,

    without the grace of God. Certainly, in the great universal scheme of things,

    it makes no sense to someone else, because they didn't experience

    what I experienced.

    would it be preferable, if Dr. Carson was an atheist, and explained his brilliant successes

    and everything he experienced, on simple science and his "godlike" abilities in being a world-renowned

    great surgeon?

    The Bible is an incredibly brilliant and complex work... and was not written in English, ya know.

    And the divinely inspired writers wrote in the original books in Hebrew and Greek.

    And, personally, I allow for them to have had limited scientific understanding in explaining

    what they were trying to explain in said languages.

    Just a reasonable article on the subject:

    http://stevenmcollins.com/html/earth.html

    @calfoxwc said:

    I understand. But emotionally, there's a mountain of evidence to me,

    that it is impossible for me to have lived to see the sixth grade,

    without the grace of God. Certainly, in the great universal scheme of things,

    it makes no sense to someone else, because they didn't experience

    what I experienced.

    would it be preferable, if Dr. Carson was an atheist, and explained his brilliant successes

    and everything he experienced, on simple science and his "godlike" abilities in being a world-renowned

    great surgeon?

    The Bible is an incredibly brilliant and complex work... and was not written in English, ya know.

    And the divinely inspired writers wrote in the original books in Hebrew and Greek.

    And, personally, I allow for them to have had limited scientific understanding in explaining

    what they were trying to explain in said languages.

    Just a reasonable article on the subject:

    http://stevenmcollins.com/html/earth.html

    Well at least that guy doesn't refute the earth is billions of years old.

    There is no evidence a creation event happened 6000 years ago though, human fossils have been dated back to 150k years (carbon dating is wrong, fabricated evidence, etc.).

  • (carbon dating is wrong, fabricated evidence, etc.). ward

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    Dang, good job, you preempted my usual knee jerk comeback on that one. 🙂

  • Where were all those problem solving skills when he was performing brain surgery? Oh wait.

    @blowe said:

    Where were all those problem solving skills when he was performing brain surgery? Oh wait.

    And I never said he didn't have problem solving skills. Again, he's choosing to be willfully ignorant. That is my issue with him.

  • (carbon dating is wrong, fabricated evidence, etc.). ward

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    Dang, good job, you preempted my usual knee jerk comeback on that one. 🙂

    @calfoxwc said:

    (carbon dating is wrong, fabricated evidence, etc.). ward

    ***************************************

    Dang, good job, you preempted my usual knee jerk comeback on that one. 🙂

    Like us to a yahoo answers page as your source, that will really show us...