Jonathan Paul Manziel
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So it was a joke? You were trying to claim it was legitimate analysis of his scrambling durability.
The difference between those jokes is huge. What he posted is on the level of Tour laughing about Hawk thinking he could block an ILB last week.
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I'm not over sensitive. Like I said, I'd do the same about anyone else. Someone praises Tashaun Gipson only to have a pic of him on the training table with a broken whatever posted in response, I'd have reacted the same. But I guess you are confirming you are a wet blanket though.
I'm not over sensitive. Like I said, I'd do the same about anyone else. Someone praises Tashaun Gipson only to have a pic of him on the training table with a broken whatever posted in response, I'd have reacted the same. But I guess you are confirming you are a wet blanket though.
Yes...you are.....Id note you are the only one who felt a need to worry about the pic....and you missed the light hearted point of it.....completely...
So...The only thing confirmed is that its ok for AG to joke on McCown...but I cant do the same in response?.....and If I do, then I have to face your Browns/Aggie fan wrath.....
But...as always....you'll never just see it for what it is....
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I already responded to all these points in my previous post.
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don't worry. the wheels on that jet will fall of sooner than later.
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It's all going to play out within the next year so noneed to panic that our coaching staff isn't in any hurry on this 22 year old QB (who could still be playing out a senior year of eligibility when you think about it). Understanding that, only 2 years of college starting experience is another reason he isn't as immediately ready as some others.
The good news or silver lining here is our staff has to feel way more comfortable with this year's version of Manziel. He's already learning stuff from McCown that McCown isn't even learning from himself like SLIDING for instance. If anyone remembers the preseason where McCown was putting his throwing shoulder into a LBer downfield more than once - there's legit concern that a guy in his mid 30s might not ever break this bad habit. He's also learned that you HAVE to study and prepare at this level, which has been his biggest adjustment (outside of rehab). It's really good to see all that paying off on the field with teammates and team leaders like Joe Thomas rallying around it.
I think we're going in the right direction here folks. The first drive we had vrs the Jets shows me that McCown still has some good football worth tapping that Manziel can learn from watching. At A&M he learned from watching Tannehill during his red shirt season.
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You still don't answer the hypothetical what if McCown plays well and stays healthy hypothetical, Flugs.
Also, every time you mention Johnny should still be in college I get a good ten minutes of depression.
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You still don't answer the hypothetical what if McCown plays well and stays healthy hypothetical, Flugs.
Also, every time you mention Johnny should still be in college I get a good ten minutes of depression.
You still don't answer the hypothetical what if McCown plays well and stays healthy hypothetical, Flugs.
Also, every time you mention Johnny should still be in college I get a good ten minutes of depression.
Fair enough. It's like what you saw when Tannehill was a senior. You knew his time remaining there was ticking down while he gave you the best chance to win so it was easy for your 12th man to ride that out and have fun. That was also helpful to the learning curve of Manziel. Win-win.
This isn't any different, we want our starting QB playing well so we ride that out until it changes. We're all pretty aware of McCown's overall timeline considering Chicago pulled him out of retirement 2-3 years ago; so Pettine feels his experience should be invaluable to Manziel. I agree.
A front window showing the road ahead is always way bigger than a rear-view showing the road behind. Right now, we're staying on the road and sticking with the right path to get where we want to be. If we start looking like the Griswalds - then we'll see Manziel earlier than planned.
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Good analogy to A&M and reminder of JM's "youth"... (sorry, war)
I'll add that in addition to any season trend, individual game situations, blow outs or getting blown out, can yield field time as well. Hoping for more games like the former, but rare is the season that doesn't produce at least one of the latter.
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It isn't EVEN CLOSE. Carr & Bridgewater are light years away from Manziel. Both we could have taken.
The Raiders nailed a corner stone defensive player (Mack) and QB (Carr) in that draft. It could had been us.....
But NOOOOoooo...we are all about selling tickets and taking advice from street bums on who to draft.
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Almost everybody here wanted Bortles or Manziel. Some Garrapolo.
90% of everybody was very critical of PoG's love for Derek Carr. Just goes to show most here wouldn't be very good GMs.
But, Manziel is too early to judge still. It's not like we can call him a bust yet.
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Almost everybody here wanted Bortles or Manziel. Some Garrapolo.
90% of everybody was very critical of PoG's love for Derek Carr. Just goes to show most here wouldn't be very good GMs.
But, Manziel is too early to judge still. It's not like we can call him a bust yet.
Almost everybody here wanted Bortles or Manziel. Some Garrapolo.
90% of everybody was very critical of PoG's love for Derek Carr. Just goes to show most here wouldn't be very good GMs.
But, Manziel is too early to judge still. It's not like we can call him a bust yet.
agreed....there definitely was NOT a consensus #1 out of the top 4 or 5......people were all over the place and, obviously, no one knew which would rise and which would fail.....a complete crap shoot....
Personally, I was torn between picking Teddy and Bortles.....and was against drafting JFF or Carr.....so I feel like I was 50/50 on both sides.....Garrapolo was more of an intriguing curiosity, though I dont think many had him at the top....
And, yes, too early to make any long term judgements on any of them.....for me, it's three years before declaring anyone a player, a bust or a star.....
My prediction is there are no "stars" in this group.....a few will have solid careers, but none will be HOF type players....
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Almost everybody here wanted Bortles or Manziel. Some Garrapolo.
90% of everybody was very critical of PoG's love for Derek Carr. Just goes to show most here wouldn't be very good GMs.
But, Manziel is too early to judge still. It's not like we can call him a bust yet.
Almost everybody here wanted Bortles or Manziel. Some Garrapolo.
90% of everybody was very critical of PoG's love for Derek Carr. Just goes to show most here wouldn't be very good GMs.
But, Manziel is too early to judge still. It's not like we can call him a bust yet.
One bad call on one prospect is enough to call someone a bad GM? I guess all 32 teams in the NFL have bad GM's then, since everyone passed on Carr at least once.
I was very critical of Derek Carr, I'll be the first to admit. Some of it may have been residual fears from his brother, but most of it had to do with his pass distribution in college and the style of offense he was asked to run. I never for a second doubted his physical ability, I believe I even said he was likely the most physically gifted prospect in a long time.
It wasn't whether or not he was able to physically make the throws, it was whether or not he was able to make the necessary reads, adjust blocking and know when to eat the ball. And I have to give him credit, he seems to be coming along very nicely and I hope he has a fantastic career.
With that said, I believe this is a case for optimism on our parts, because Manziel was in the same boat. Nobody ever questioned whether or not he could make the throws or evade defenders, it was whether or not he could adapt to the professional game. I don't know how much influence Flip had in Carr's development, but it is funny to notice that both Carr and Manziel have progressed in those aspects whereas many others have failed.
Flip might not be a good OC, the jury is still out on that. But he SEEMS to be a great positional coach and APPEARS to be adept at grooming raw talent, which is always a good sign. If you have a QB coach who's able to groom raw physical talent, you are miles ahead of your competition. In fact, I'd venture to say that finding a positional coach who is able to do that is the absolute most important aspect for a team in a situation like ours.
Personally, I think Aaron Rodgers is the ultimate example of "grooming a QB". I especially like this little blurb about his development:
After the Packers' losing season of Rodgers' rookie year, head coach Mike Sherman was fired and replaced by current head coach Mike McCarthy.[47][48] Rodgers was then placed in McCarthy's "Quarterback school" for six hours a day several times a week.[49] This focused on working on Rodgers' motor skills such as hand-eye coordination, finger dexterity, and mechanics.[45] McCarthy also worked on Rodgers' release point, moving it from right beside the ear hole of his helmet to further below it, to give him a smoother release.[38] Rodgers was also instructed to lower his body fat ratio from 15 percent to 12 percent.[45] Rodgers was resistant to the changes at first but later commented that he thought they were for the better.[49] During practice in 11-on-11 drills, Rodgers completed 62.7% of his passes with seven interceptions, and McCarthy commented that "He's getting better" and that "You're looking at a guy who's going to mature. He's got athletic ability that people still haven't seen."
agreed....there definitely was NOT a consensus #1 out of the top 4 or 5......people were all over the place and, obviously, no one knew which would rise and which would fail.....a complete crap shoot....
Personally, I was torn between picking Teddy and Bortles.....and was against drafting JFF or Carr.....so I feel like I was 50/50 on both sides.....Garrapolo was more of an intriguing curiosity, though I dont think many had him at the top....
And, yes, too early to make any long term judgements on any of them.....for me, it's three years before declaring anyone a player, a bust or a star.....
My prediction is there are no "stars" in this group.....a few will have solid careers, but none will be HOF type players....
My hierarchy was...
- Bortles
- Bortles
- Bortles
- Manziel
- Carr
- Teddy
...if I recall correctly.
Today, I'd put Carr at the top, but I still think Bortles will be a fantastic NFL QB. Always have hope.
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Yep. I drank the Johnny football kool-aid but I like Derek Carr, Blake Bortles and Jimmy Garoppolo OK too.
WSS
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Haven't even sipped Kool-Aid in years...
In 2014 I was a gun-to-my-head Bortles guy, and I grew to like him, but was not overboard for any 2014 QBs. I did like McCarron as a sleeper... a lot.
I bought the system argument for Carr (ditto for Mariotta). While as twice burned I may be more resistant to buying that argument again, I don't have the skill set to see through all systems and see who has the talent with certainty. Carr's arm talent was easy to see. Mariotta's had some question attached.
Manziel... system-less and undisciplined simply held no appeal for me.
In 2015 Jameis was easy to like on the field. Bryce Petty was my sleeper candidate, so I'm not completely adverse to "system" QBs... at least if they are not very expensive.
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So, this is kind of a fun battle. Carr is the QB who could have been, while Manziel is the QB who might just be.
There were many here that were absolutely in love with Carr...I was not one of those people. He absolutely blew me away last year, but it seems like he's coming down a bit this year.Carr won 2014 hands down, but their 2015's are a little closer. As it stands now, Carr has the upper hand ever so slightly, mostly due to the fact the Oakland has been airing the ball out over the last two games (30 att. per game vs. Johnny's 20 att. per game).
Honestly, people are shitting over missing out on Bridgewater, but Carr is physically the quintessential QB and we wouldn't have had to trade up to get him. I was anti-Carr, but he's showing that he might be a pretty good NFL QB. After last week, I have high hopes for Manziel as well, but I'll temper them for a few more weeks.
Regardless, it's kind of cool to see the stats between the two laid out visually.
As a side note, I've been using this tool for my daily fantasy leagues. There's some holes in it for sure, but it's a decent little tool to help with roster decisions. It's also free as shit.
So, this is kind of a fun battle. Carr is the QB who could have been, while Manziel is the QB who might just be.
There were many here that were absolutely in love with Carr...I was not one of those people. He absolutely blew me away last year, but it seems like he's coming down a bit this year.Carr won 2014 hands down, but their 2015's are a little closer. As it stands now, Carr has the upper hand ever so slightly, mostly due to the fact the Oakland has been airing the ball out over the last two games (30 att. per game vs. Johnny's 20 att. per game).
Honestly, people are shitting over missing out on Bridgewater, but Carr is physically the quintessential QB and we wouldn't have had to trade up to get him. I was anti-Carr, but he's showing that he might be a pretty good NFL QB. After last week, I have high hopes for Manziel as well, but I'll temper them for a few more weeks.
Regardless, it's kind of cool to see the stats between the two laid out visually.
As a side note, I've been using this tool for my daily fantasy leagues. There's some holes in it for sure, but it's a decent little tool to help with roster decisions. It's also free as shit.
I think adding Amari Cooper and Michael Crabtree is already paying off big time for Derek Carr.
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So, this is kind of a fun battle. Carr is the QB who could have been, while Manziel is the QB who might just be.
There were many here that were absolutely in love with Carr...I was not one of those people. He absolutely blew me away last year, but it seems like he's coming down a bit this year.Carr won 2014 hands down, but their 2015's are a little closer. As it stands now, Carr has the upper hand ever so slightly, mostly due to the fact the Oakland has been airing the ball out over the last two games (30 att. per game vs. Johnny's 20 att. per game).
Honestly, people are shitting over missing out on Bridgewater, but Carr is physically the quintessential QB and we wouldn't have had to trade up to get him. I was anti-Carr, but he's showing that he might be a pretty good NFL QB. After last week, I have high hopes for Manziel as well, but I'll temper them for a few more weeks.
Regardless, it's kind of cool to see the stats between the two laid out visually.
As a side note, I've been using this tool for my daily fantasy leagues. There's some holes in it for sure, but it's a decent little tool to help with roster decisions. It's also free as shit.
I think adding Amari Cooper and Michael Crabtree is already paying off big time for Derek Carr.
I think adding Amari Cooper and Michael Crabtree is already paying off big time for Derek Carr.
Shut your mouth, quality WRs do nothing to enhance a QBs effectiveness, oh wait wrong answer sorry, our WRs are as good as any other teams out there.
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Shut your mouth, quality WRs do nothing to enhance a QBs effectiveness, oh wait wrong answer sorry, our WRs are as good as any other teams out there.
Thank you Dr. Farmer.
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Shut your mouth, quality WRs do nothing to enhance a QBs effectiveness, oh wait wrong answer sorry, our WRs are as good as any other teams out there.
LOL! I've learned over the years right answers (as well as wrong answers) have an expiration date. Stay tuned...
I still haven't forgot your comment about why your dad didn't get a Father's Day Card.
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Yeah, not saying Amari Cooper makes Mccown Aaron Rodgers but at some point you hope the Browns will have a solid QB. At that point it would be nice to have a game changer on the roster.
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