Carson and Trump, Rising and Falling, 20% and 21%

[Westside Steve]

@mld-woody said:

and that logical reason being.... what exactly?

and when did I say I want Clinton?

Which of the Republican candidates would you vote for over her?

WSS

[The Cysko Kid]

@mld-woody said:

I just want to make sure here, in your attempt to be right (or just to disagree with me...) you're taking the "anti-evolution" side? I just want to make sure I have that clear. Whether you are trolling, or being serious, this could quickly become another "black culture" moment...

Read the goddamn post you quoted directly above this one woody. Christ.

[The Cysko Kid]

@mld-woody said:

I just want to make sure here, in your attempt to be right (or just to disagree with me...) you're taking the "anti-evolution" side? I just want to make sure I have that clear. Whether you are trolling, or being serious, this could quickly become another "black culture" moment...

So...you can't disagree with this so you're going to go typical woody and argue something else aren't you? If you can't read, evaluate what you've read and understand it you're a moron. You dont have to agree with it but if you can't understand it I hope to god nothing you ever "engineer" comes in contact with a single living soul...because you're re tarded.

[Legacy Fan]

@the-cysko-kid said:

Read the goddamn post you quoted directly above this one woody. Christ.

"I myself don't believe it.." That's what I read...

But then again, I'm a bible thumping' gun-totin' backwoods redneck, that's just a dentist.... not a real doctor. And apparently the doctor thing now gets overlooked.

[MLD Woody]

@the-cysko-kid said:

So...you can't disagree with this so you're going to go typical woody and argue something else aren't you? If you can't read, evaluate what you've read and understand it you're a moron. You dont have to agree with it but if you can't understand it I hope to god nothing you ever "engineer" comes in contact with a single living soul...because you're re tarded.

Oh god fuck off. I argue things that haven't been said? Hahahaha. Classic.

I got the part you don't believe in creationism. But you seem to be making the argument that Carson is taking a logical stance. You're making comments that sound like you think both options, the science we know so far vs a young earth creationist, are pretty equal. I strongly disagree with that. What exactly about his belief is logical? (as I asked before)

[MLD Woody]

@legacy-fan said:

"I myself don't believe it.." That's what I read...

But then again, I'm a bible thumping' gun-totin' backwoods redneck, that's just a dentist.... not a real doctor. And apparently the doctor thing now gets overlooked.

... Do I really have to go through this again? And who called you a redneck?

[MLD Woody]

@westside-steve said:

Which of the Republican candidates would you vote for over her?

WSS

Would you rather get kicked in the balls or punched in the balls? Whichever one you choose, does that mean you "want" that one?

Rubio seems alright. It also seems like a clusterfuck of bodies right now. They're campaigning for the conservative vote right now, so it isn't really geared towards me. Financial maybe but not social.

We'll also have to see if anyone else rubs on the left.

[The Cysko Kid]

@mld-woody said:

Oh god fuck off. I argue things that haven't been said? Hahahaha. Classic.

I got the part you don't believe in creationism. But you seem to be making the argument that Carson is taking a logical stance. You're making comments that sound like you think both options, the science we know so far vs a young earth creationist, are pretty equal. I strongly disagree with that. What exactly about his belief is logical? (as I asked before)

I'm saying I understand his reasoning and what I want you to say is that you can understand it even if you don't believe it. That's all. I want you to look at the graphic from the Berkeley evolution libraries that I provided for you that is supposed to document the evolution from dinosaurs into birds and admit the gulf between the last two entries requires a leap of faith.

[MLD Woody]

@the-cysko-kid said:

I'm saying I understand his reasoning and what I want you to say is that you can understand it even if you don't believe it. That's all. I want you to look at the graphic from the Berkeley evolution libraries that I provided for you that is supposed to document the evolution from dinosaurs into birds and admit the gulf between the last two entries requires a leap of faith.

Theres a sliding scale. "We need a small leap of faith in gaps we haven't yet discovered, but we have a mountain of other evidence to support it" does not equal "There's no scientific evidence for this whatsoever, but I have faith!"

Not to mention the whole age of the earth, universe thing.

I'm not saying the non-creationist side is 100% complete and has no remaining questions. I'm saying I see no logical reason to choose the creationist side in that argument.

The only way that happens, in my opinion, is ignorance. Either unintentional or willful. Ex, what Carson was saying about the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

And again, how the earth was actually created has very little or no effect on a presidency. I'm concerned with how Carson got to that conclusion and if he'll use similar reasoning on things that will have a direct affect on me.

[Westside Steve]

@mld-woody said:

Would you rather get kicked in the balls or punched in the balls? Whichever one you choose, does that mean you "want" that one?

Rubio seems alright. It also seems like a clusterfuck of bodies right now. They're campaigning for the conservative vote right now, so it isn't really geared towards me. Financial maybe but not social.

We'll also have to see if anyone else rubs on the left.

Well that's a fair answer but you could have answered neither one as to the balls question. I was just curious as to whether or not there was any Republican who you would vote for today against Hillary Clinton. You can sit the vote out if you choose.

Among the possible Democrats I prefer Joe Biden to the others but I don't know if I vote for him over the Republican candidate. Depends. And I understand that's a cop out on my part.

WSS

[Westside Steve]

And to tell you the truth I don't think Hillary would be that bad a choice. Is she a crook? Is she a liar? No doubt. But she is probably dishonest enough do not carry out her hardcore left-wing rhetoric should she get the job.

Her husband was more willing to compromise with the right then Obama has been.

WSS

[The Cysko Kid]

@mld-woody said:

Theres a sliding scale. "We need a small leap of faith in gaps we haven't yet discovered, but we have a mountain of other evidence to support it" does not equal "There's no scientific evidence for this whatsoever, but I have faith!"

Not to mention the whole age of the earth, universe thing.

I'm not saying the non-creationist side is 100% complete and has no remaining questions. I'm saying I see no logical reason to choose the creationist side in that argument.

The only way that happens, in my opinion, is ignorance. Either unintentional or willful. Ex, what Carson was saying about the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

And again, how the earth was actually created has very little or no effect on a presidency. I'm concerned with how Carson got to that conclusion and if he'll use similar reasoning on things that will have a direct affect on me.

I guess that's as close to an admission as you can muster, so I'll accept it. Theoretically, though, the closer to modern day animals the easier finding remains and fossils should be. This should be easier to prove in reverse with more evidence of the transformation from blue jay to dinosaur than ancient dinosaur to slightly less ancient dinosaur. What I'm trying to say is that the logical gap should be older rather than younger in scale. The very fact that there's nothing between dinosaur and blue jay is what feeds Carson's point.

[The Cysko Kid]

I see no reason to say that the big bang is a realistic theory of the universe and that said big bang wasn't caused by the hand of a creator. After all how can nothingness expand to substance in a nanosecond or whatever time frame the theory gives.

[MLD Woody]

@westside-steve said:

Well that's a fair answer but you could have answered neither one as to the balls question. I was just curious as to whether or not there was any Republican who you would vote for today against Hillary Clinton. You can sit the vote out if you choose.

Among the possible Democrats I prefer Joe Biden to the others but I don't know if I vote for him over the Republican candidate. Depends. And I understand that's a cop out on my part.

WSS

I haven't read up a ton on the Rep candidates. I've just watched the debates. Once it thins down, I'll have a better idea. I would have no problem voting for a rep that takes modern social views

I also would be interested in Biden. I've watched a few interviews and he seems like a good guy. Again though, I'd need more info or a debate or something.

[Westside Steve]

Biden was considered a conservative Democrat and brought onto the ticket to balance out the far left Obama.

I get the feeling he's been pushed to the left just by being required to support the president.

And to suck up to the Democrat base.

WSS

[MLD Woody]

@the-cysko-kid said:

I see no reason to say that the big bang is a realistic theory of the universe and that said big bang wasn't caused by the hand of a creator. After all how can nothingness expand to substance in a nanosecond or whatever time frame the theory gives.

Except that's not what he's saying. He believes thr Earth is 6,000 years old and that its existed like that ever since. Where is the evidence for that?

[MLD Woody]

@the-cysko-kid said:

I guess that's as close to an admission as you can muster, so I'll accept it. Theoretically, though, the closer to modern day animals the easier finding remains and fossils should be. This should be easier to prove in reverse with more evidence of the transformation from blue jay to dinosaur than ancient dinosaur to slightly less ancient dinosaur. What I'm trying to say is that the logical gap should be older rather than younger in scale. The very fact that there's nothing between dinosaur and blue jay is what feeds Carson's point.

Admission of what? That has been what I've been saying from the beginning. There is no proof for creationism in the "God of the gaps" argument. I've seen nothing to support his believes yet. Just inaccurate science. Ex, 2nd law of thermo. Another ex, we didn't evolve from modern day apes, we both evolved from a common ancestor.

There is a ton of info out there on evolution. Unless it is your field, you could probably never grasp it all. But misinformation isn't proof of creationism...

[MLD Woody]

@westside-steve said:

Biden was considered a conservative Democrat and brought onto the ticket to balance out the far left Obama.

I get the feeling he's been pushed to the left just by being required to support the president.

And to suck up to the Democrat base.

WSS

A conservative Dem or a liberal Rep works for me.

[VaporTrail]

The candidates this year suck. I like Bernie's politics best, but he's a pussy. I've gotta agree with Woody on Carson - his willful ignorance makes him one of the worst candidates for me.

I hate that the GOP is trying to defund planned parenthood when only 3% of its funding goes to abortions and less than 1% of offices conduct fetal stem cell donation. PP is an incredible resource for both men's and women's reproductive health (e.g. my girlfriend and I went there when we first started dating to get STI screenings). Plus, abortions are legal, and they're going to continue to be legal in this country forever. Once someone decides to get an abortion, those embryos are being destroyed, one way or another. Thanks to legislation from the right, the ability to donate these tissues to science is severely restricted, and 99% of abortions occur only to make the life of the parents easier. Fetal stem cells are a scientific gold mine, and it's a shame that research in that area is being held back when it could have such a positive impact on the greater good.

[The Cysko Kid]

@mld-woody said:

Except that's not what he's saying. He believes thr Earth is 6,000 years old and that its existed like that ever since. Where is the evidence for that?

Somewhere along the line you've lost the narrative. I never defended Carson's views. What I've said is I understand them and also I plain out don't care about them. How the earth came to be has absolutely no bearing at all on politics and human matters. He could believe Zeus shit the earth out whole yesterday for all I care.