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  • There must have been gay, transgenered apes the evolved into University of Michigan fans.

  • I will probably stay home this election. Once again, I am presented with a bunch of shitty options that I want no part of. I am a fiscally conservative, socially liberal atheist so I have no one to vote for.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    I will probably stay home this election. Once again, I am presented with a bunch of shitty options that I want no part of. I am a fiscally conservative, socially liberal atheist so I have no one to vote for.

    No idea why this isn't where any major candidate stands.

    I'm the same boat, social liberal economic/fiscal conservative.

    It's 2015 and some of these guys are really out of touch socially

    I vote for the one who seems to care the least about Kim Davis matters.

  • Evolution has evidence though, just saying.

    BTW we found human fossils dating back to 150,000 years ago. Modern human, not including the neanderthal man and other varieties we've found.

    Radiocarbon dating is inaccurate though, because it disagrees with my beliefs (it's actually deadly accurate)

    I think this kind of thinking is dangerous, science and religion can cooperate - but some are still ignorant.

  • Right the graphic I provided was only from the evolution library at Berkeley. Amateurs the lot of them.

  • And bbedward speaking of ignorance which is a word faux superior douchebags love to throw around...if you read my previous posts I explicitly said I didn't agree with carson only that it's not a deal breaker for me. Why? Hillary Clinton. Hillary...Clinton...

  • And bbedward speaking of ignorance which is a word faux superior douchebags love to throw around...if you read my previous posts I explicitly said I didn't agree with carson only that it's not a deal breaker for me. Why? Hillary Clinton. Hillary...Clinton...

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    And bbedward speaking of ignorance which is a word faux superior douchebags love to throw around...if you read my previous posts I explicitly said I didn't agree with carson only that it's not a deal breaker for me. Why? Hillary Clinton. Hillary...Clinton...

    I wasn't specifically saying anything about you, just saying.

    I don't think any of Clinton's supporters educate themselves to the issues or her past.

    If Bush/Clinton was the GE I'd stay home, otherwise I'll vote for whoever's not named Clinton.

  • What I see is a guy who believes something and a logical reason for him to believe it. I myself don't believe it but I don't get my panties all wadded up toddling about quacking "willful ignorance" because the guy is a candidate who I feel could be an excellent trustworthy thoughtful president and you fucking want hillary clinton.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    What I see is a guy who believes something and a logical reason for him to believe it. I myself don't believe it but I don't get my panties all wadded up toddling about quacking "willful ignorance" because the guy is a candidate who I feel could be an excellent trustworthy thoughtful president and you fucking want hillary clinton.

    and that logical reason being.... what exactly?

    and when did I say I want Clinton?

  • There's quite a fucking jump between archaeopteryx and living birds isn't there? If YOU expect people to believe that you had ought to have some in between evidence oughtnt you? I mean this proves there were some bird like dinosaurs not that dinosaurs became blue Jays. Modern apes are also human like. That's not hard evidence that they became human.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    There's quite a fucking jump between archaeopteryx and living birds isn't there? If YOU expect people to believe that you had ought to have some in between evidence oughtnt you? I mean this proves there were some bird like dinosaurs not that dinosaurs became blue Jays. Modern apes are also human like. That's not hard evidence that they became human.

    I just want to make sure here, in your attempt to be right (or just to disagree with me...) you're taking the "anti-evolution" side? I just want to make sure I have that clear. Whether you are trolling, or being serious, this could quickly become another "black culture" moment...

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    What I see is a guy who believes something and a logical reason for him to believe it. I myself don't believe it but I don't get my panties all wadded up toddling about quacking "willful ignorance" because the guy is a candidate who I feel could be an excellent trustworthy thoughtful president and you fucking want hillary clinton.

    and that logical reason being.... what exactly?

    and when did I say I want Clinton?

    @mld-woody said:

    and that logical reason being.... what exactly?

    and when did I say I want Clinton?

    Which of the Republican candidates would you vote for over her?

    WSS

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    There's quite a fucking jump between archaeopteryx and living birds isn't there? If YOU expect people to believe that you had ought to have some in between evidence oughtnt you? I mean this proves there were some bird like dinosaurs not that dinosaurs became blue Jays. Modern apes are also human like. That's not hard evidence that they became human.

    I just want to make sure here, in your attempt to be right (or just to disagree with me...) you're taking the "anti-evolution" side? I just want to make sure I have that clear. Whether you are trolling, or being serious, this could quickly become another "black culture" moment...

    @mld-woody said:

    I just want to make sure here, in your attempt to be right (or just to disagree with me...) you're taking the "anti-evolution" side? I just want to make sure I have that clear. Whether you are trolling, or being serious, this could quickly become another "black culture" moment...

    Read the goddamn post you quoted directly above this one woody. Christ.

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    There's quite a fucking jump between archaeopteryx and living birds isn't there? If YOU expect people to believe that you had ought to have some in between evidence oughtnt you? I mean this proves there were some bird like dinosaurs not that dinosaurs became blue Jays. Modern apes are also human like. That's not hard evidence that they became human.

    I just want to make sure here, in your attempt to be right (or just to disagree with me...) you're taking the "anti-evolution" side? I just want to make sure I have that clear. Whether you are trolling, or being serious, this could quickly become another "black culture" moment...

    @mld-woody said:

    I just want to make sure here, in your attempt to be right (or just to disagree with me...) you're taking the "anti-evolution" side? I just want to make sure I have that clear. Whether you are trolling, or being serious, this could quickly become another "black culture" moment...

    So...you can't disagree with this so you're going to go typical woody and argue something else aren't you? If you can't read, evaluate what you've read and understand it you're a moron. You dont have to agree with it but if you can't understand it I hope to god nothing you ever "engineer" comes in contact with a single living soul...because you're re tarded.
  • @mld-woody said:

    I just want to make sure here, in your attempt to be right (or just to disagree with me...) you're taking the "anti-evolution" side? I just want to make sure I have that clear. Whether you are trolling, or being serious, this could quickly become another "black culture" moment...

    Read the goddamn post you quoted directly above this one woody. Christ.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Read the goddamn post you quoted directly above this one woody. Christ.

    "I myself don't believe it.." That's what I read...

    But then again, I'm a bible thumping' gun-totin' backwoods redneck, that's just a dentist.... not a real doctor. And apparently the doctor thing now gets overlooked.

  • @mld-woody said:

    I just want to make sure here, in your attempt to be right (or just to disagree with me...) you're taking the "anti-evolution" side? I just want to make sure I have that clear. Whether you are trolling, or being serious, this could quickly become another "black culture" moment...

    So...you can't disagree with this so you're going to go typical woody and argue something else aren't you? If you can't read, evaluate what you've read and understand it you're a moron. You dont have to agree with it but if you can't understand it I hope to god nothing you ever "engineer" comes in contact with a single living soul...because you're re tarded.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    So...you can't disagree with this so you're going to go typical woody and argue something else aren't you? If you can't read, evaluate what you've read and understand it you're a moron. You dont have to agree with it but if you can't understand it I hope to god nothing you ever "engineer" comes in contact with a single living soul...because you're re tarded.

    Oh god fuck off. I argue things that haven't been said? Hahahaha. Classic.

    I got the part you don't believe in creationism. But you seem to be making the argument that Carson is taking a logical stance. You're making comments that sound like you think both options, the science we know so far vs a young earth creationist, are pretty equal. I strongly disagree with that. What exactly about his belief is logical? (as I asked before)

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    Read the goddamn post you quoted directly above this one woody. Christ.

    "I myself don't believe it.." That's what I read...

    But then again, I'm a bible thumping' gun-totin' backwoods redneck, that's just a dentist.... not a real doctor. And apparently the doctor thing now gets overlooked.

    @legacy-fan said:

    "I myself don't believe it.." That's what I read...

    But then again, I'm a bible thumping' gun-totin' backwoods redneck, that's just a dentist.... not a real doctor. And apparently the doctor thing now gets overlooked.

    ... Do I really have to go through this again? And who called you a redneck?

  • @mld-woody said:

    and that logical reason being.... what exactly?

    and when did I say I want Clinton?

    Which of the Republican candidates would you vote for over her?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Which of the Republican candidates would you vote for over her?

    WSS

    Would you rather get kicked in the balls or punched in the balls? Whichever one you choose, does that mean you "want" that one?

    Rubio seems alright. It also seems like a clusterfuck of bodies right now. They're campaigning for the conservative vote right now, so it isn't really geared towards me. Financial maybe but not social.

    We'll also have to see if anyone else rubs on the left.

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    So...you can't disagree with this so you're going to go typical woody and argue something else aren't you? If you can't read, evaluate what you've read and understand it you're a moron. You dont have to agree with it but if you can't understand it I hope to god nothing you ever "engineer" comes in contact with a single living soul...because you're re tarded.

    Oh god fuck off. I argue things that haven't been said? Hahahaha. Classic.

    I got the part you don't believe in creationism. But you seem to be making the argument that Carson is taking a logical stance. You're making comments that sound like you think both options, the science we know so far vs a young earth creationist, are pretty equal. I strongly disagree with that. What exactly about his belief is logical? (as I asked before)

    @mld-woody said:

    Oh god fuck off. I argue things that haven't been said? Hahahaha. Classic.

    I got the part you don't believe in creationism. But you seem to be making the argument that Carson is taking a logical stance. You're making comments that sound like you think both options, the science we know so far vs a young earth creationist, are pretty equal. I strongly disagree with that. What exactly about his belief is logical? (as I asked before)

    I'm saying I understand his reasoning and what I want you to say is that you can understand it even if you don't believe it. That's all. I want you to look at the graphic from the Berkeley evolution libraries that I provided for you that is supposed to document the evolution from dinosaurs into birds and admit the gulf between the last two entries requires a leap of faith.
  • @mld-woody said:

    Oh god fuck off. I argue things that haven't been said? Hahahaha. Classic.

    I got the part you don't believe in creationism. But you seem to be making the argument that Carson is taking a logical stance. You're making comments that sound like you think both options, the science we know so far vs a young earth creationist, are pretty equal. I strongly disagree with that. What exactly about his belief is logical? (as I asked before)

    I'm saying I understand his reasoning and what I want you to say is that you can understand it even if you don't believe it. That's all. I want you to look at the graphic from the Berkeley evolution libraries that I provided for you that is supposed to document the evolution from dinosaurs into birds and admit the gulf between the last two entries requires a leap of faith.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    I'm saying I understand his reasoning and what I want you to say is that you can understand it even if you don't believe it. That's all. I want you to look at the graphic from the Berkeley evolution libraries that I provided for you that is supposed to document the evolution from dinosaurs into birds and admit the gulf between the last two entries requires a leap of faith.

    Theres a sliding scale. "We need a small leap of faith in gaps we haven't yet discovered, but we have a mountain of other evidence to support it" does not equal "There's no scientific evidence for this whatsoever, but I have faith!"

    Not to mention the whole age of the earth, universe thing.

    I'm not saying the non-creationist side is 100% complete and has no remaining questions. I'm saying I see no logical reason to choose the creationist side in that argument.

    The only way that happens, in my opinion, is ignorance. Either unintentional or willful. Ex, what Carson was saying about the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

    And again, how the earth was actually created has very little or no effect on a presidency. I'm concerned with how Carson got to that conclusion and if he'll use similar reasoning on things that will have a direct affect on me.

  • @westside-steve said:

    Which of the Republican candidates would you vote for over her?

    WSS

    Would you rather get kicked in the balls or punched in the balls? Whichever one you choose, does that mean you "want" that one?

    Rubio seems alright. It also seems like a clusterfuck of bodies right now. They're campaigning for the conservative vote right now, so it isn't really geared towards me. Financial maybe but not social.

    We'll also have to see if anyone else rubs on the left.

    @mld-woody said:

    Would you rather get kicked in the balls or punched in the balls? Whichever one you choose, does that mean you "want" that one?

    Rubio seems alright. It also seems like a clusterfuck of bodies right now. They're campaigning for the conservative vote right now, so it isn't really geared towards me. Financial maybe but not social.

    We'll also have to see if anyone else rubs on the left.

    Well that's a fair answer but you could have answered neither one as to the balls question. I was just curious as to whether or not there was any Republican who you would vote for today against Hillary Clinton. You can sit the vote out if you choose.

    Among the possible Democrats I prefer Joe Biden to the others but I don't know if I vote for him over the Republican candidate. Depends. And I understand that's a cop out on my part.

    WSS

  • And to tell you the truth I don't think Hillary would be that bad a choice. Is she a crook? Is she a liar? No doubt. But she is probably dishonest enough do not carry out her hardcore left-wing rhetoric should she get the job.

    Her husband was more willing to compromise with the right then Obama has been.

    WSS

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    I'm saying I understand his reasoning and what I want you to say is that you can understand it even if you don't believe it. That's all. I want you to look at the graphic from the Berkeley evolution libraries that I provided for you that is supposed to document the evolution from dinosaurs into birds and admit the gulf between the last two entries requires a leap of faith.

    Theres a sliding scale. "We need a small leap of faith in gaps we haven't yet discovered, but we have a mountain of other evidence to support it" does not equal "There's no scientific evidence for this whatsoever, but I have faith!"

    Not to mention the whole age of the earth, universe thing.

    I'm not saying the non-creationist side is 100% complete and has no remaining questions. I'm saying I see no logical reason to choose the creationist side in that argument.

    The only way that happens, in my opinion, is ignorance. Either unintentional or willful. Ex, what Carson was saying about the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

    And again, how the earth was actually created has very little or no effect on a presidency. I'm concerned with how Carson got to that conclusion and if he'll use similar reasoning on things that will have a direct affect on me.

    @mld-woody said:

    Theres a sliding scale. "We need a small leap of faith in gaps we haven't yet discovered, but we have a mountain of other evidence to support it" does not equal "There's no scientific evidence for this whatsoever, but I have faith!"

    Not to mention the whole age of the earth, universe thing.

    I'm not saying the non-creationist side is 100% complete and has no remaining questions. I'm saying I see no logical reason to choose the creationist side in that argument.

    The only way that happens, in my opinion, is ignorance. Either unintentional or willful. Ex, what Carson was saying about the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

    And again, how the earth was actually created has very little or no effect on a presidency. I'm concerned with how Carson got to that conclusion and if he'll use similar reasoning on things that will have a direct affect on me.

    I guess that's as close to an admission as you can muster, so I'll accept it. Theoretically, though, the closer to modern day animals the easier finding remains and fossils should be. This should be easier to prove in reverse with more evidence of the transformation from blue jay to dinosaur than ancient dinosaur to slightly less ancient dinosaur. What I'm trying to say is that the logical gap should be older rather than younger in scale. The very fact that there's nothing between dinosaur and blue jay is what feeds Carson's point.