Marcus Mariota is Terrible
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The Titans were NOT giving that pick up unless someone offered 3-4 1st rounders. No prospect is worth that especially after the RG3 debacle.
Mariota is going to be good for a very very long time I'm afraid. Another team lands a FQB and our stubborn head coach won't see if we have one.
The Titans were NOT giving that pick up unless someone offered 3-4 1st rounders. No prospect is worth that especially after the RG3 debacle.
Mariota is going to be good for a very very long time I'm afraid. Another team lands a FQB and our stubborn head coach won't see if we have one.
They were not giving up the pick regardless.
However, the point of this thread is to continually remind those that thought Mariota was a "gimmick QB with no NFL future" that they were wrong. It's not to lament missing out on him, there's enough of that on every other forum on the internet.
Mariota is poised to be a very similar player as Aaron Rodgers. Similar arm talent, vaguely similar demeanor, similar attributes.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
0 and 1 against Johnny Manziel head to head.
WSS
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0 and 1 against Johnny Manziel head to head.
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0 and 1 against Johnny Manziel head to head.
WSS
Also a true stat. If you would have asked me how I would want his season to play out last month, I'd have said as much.
Only difference is that I'd have wanted Manziel to be undefeated to this point.
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And yet we start McClown............
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"Mariota is poised to be a very similar player as Aaron Rodgers." Whoa, let the young QB get a few seasons under his belt before he starts getting mentioned in the same breath as the best QB in the NFL. You sound like you're back to believing the ESPN hype.
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This is wrong. He made plenty of good throws, and a couple bad ones: INT & High throw to Hawkins while rolling left.
13 for 24? Alright sure he is great, I love missing wide open touchdowns, and overthrowing our 6'5 TE, I especially love left handed throws!!
Besides the fact that you can't deny that he is always taking a bee line out of the pocket, he simply can't see.
. I have never been a Johnny fan boy but this post is just stupid. Have you watched Josh's attempts at the long ball?? Were you there to see Johnny dropping dimes on Benji? Actually leading receivers? Did he make some questionable throws? Absolutely but so do vets. I think if we let him throw 30 times in that game he puts up legendary stats. The ONLY thing horrible was ball security.13 for 24? Alright sure he is great, I love missing wide open touchdowns, and overthrowing our 6'5 TE, I especially love left handed throws!!
Besides the fact that you can't deny that he is always taking a bee line out of the pocket, he simply can't see.
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Vince Young won rookie of the year. Let's wait more than 3 games on Mariota. He's played two terrible defenses.
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"Mariota is poised to be a very similar player as Aaron Rodgers." Whoa, let the young QB get a few seasons under his belt before he starts getting mentioned in the same breath as the best QB in the NFL. You sound like you're back to believing the ESPN hype.
"Mariota is poised to be a very similar player as Aaron Rodgers." Whoa, let the young QB get a few seasons under his belt before he starts getting mentioned in the same breath as the best QB in the NFL. You sound like you're back to believing the ESPN hype.
Do you know what the word poised means?
I'll pause while you look it up.
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Are you folks serious?
After 3 games he's thrown for 833 yards, 8 TD and 2 INT (one was bounced off of his TE's chest).
That's 277 yards and 2 TD a game.
It amazes me how POOR some of us Brown's fans evaluate QBs. Fock'n piss poor. No wonder the Browns never get it right. We got moron fans pushing for midget QB that can only play school yard football.
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Marcus Mariota named September’s top offensive rookie
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The Titans were NOT giving that pick up unless someone offered 3-4 1st rounders. No prospect is worth that especially after the RG3 debacle.
Mariota is going to be good for a very very long time I'm afraid. Another team lands a FQB and our stubborn head coach won't see if we have one.
They were not giving up the pick regardless.
However, the point of this thread is to continually remind those that thought Mariota was a "gimmick QB with no NFL future" that they were wrong. It's not to lament missing out on him, there's enough of that on every other forum on the internet.
Mariota is poised to be a very similar player as Aaron Rodgers. Similar arm talent, vaguely similar demeanor, similar attributes.
However, the point of this thread is to continually remind those that thought Mariota was a "gimmick QB with no NFL future" that they were wrong.
So how do you look through a system as pronounced as Oregon's and see the player?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Are you folks serious?
After 3 games he's thrown for 833 yards, 8 TD and 2 INT (one was bounced off of his TE's chest).
That's 277 yards and 2 TD a game.
It amazes me how POOR some of us Brown's fans evaluate QBs. Fock'n piss poor. No wonder the Browns never get it right. We got moron fans pushing for midget QB that can only play school yard football.
Are you folks serious?
It amazes me how POOR some of us Brown's fans evaluate QBs....... No wonder the Browns never get it right.
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However, the point of this thread is to continually remind those that thought Mariota was a "gimmick QB with no NFL future" that they were wrong.
So how do you look through a system as pronounced as Oregon's and see the player?
So how do you look through a system as pronounced as Oregon's and see the player?
Honestly, I don't look for things I like moreso I look for things I don't like. I'll do one or two full games just watching the QB to see any traits I don't like.
For instance, (and this may be a bad example) but Carr and Osweiler both stuck out as having a high proportion of quick, short passes. In Osweiler's case, I believe there was a game I watched where he threw 4-5 WR screens on one drive, just alternating the field. Same with Goff this year - he's putting up good numbers but he's doing it against weak competition and with high percentage throws. Stuff like that won't work in the NFL, so with prospects like that, I then have to look at throws they COULD make in the NFL. Personally, as of right now, I don't think Goff has it. I thought Carr had the talent, but not the experience in the right system. And I thought Osweiler had the body, but not the accuracy. We'll see about him.
If I had to break down what I do look for, though, I guess it would be four or five main things:
One - I only pay attention to "NFL" throws. (15 yard outs, deep posts, sluggos, back shoulder fades). I look at ball placement and whether or not an NFL corner could have made a play on it. I know it's antithesis to the point I am making in another thread, but I think "could Haden pick this?" I discount wide open throws, checkdowns, busted plays, and high percentage throws like drags and zips.
Two - I pay attention to pre-snap. Does the QB make any pre-snap calls? Does the system vary their cadence? Is there even a cadence? Or does the QB just walk to the line, clap, and wait for the ball to be snapped? It's not a no-go if they are in a non-cadence system, but it is a factor to me.
Three - I watch for progression. Many college systems are half-field reads - it's rare to see college QB's work across the field, so I don't let a lack of that influence my decision too much. It's more "does the QB lock onto one read the entire time? Is there any sort of head fake or baiting the safety?
Four - I look for fundamentals. Where does he hold the ball? How quick is his delivery? Does he pat the ball before throwing it? Does he have a hitch in his delivery? Are his feet active? Does he drive toward the target or fall away? No one thing is enough to write off a prospect, but I don't personally like when they have more than two glaring fundamental flaws.
Five - I look for pocket skills and poise. Does he work up the pocket? Does he work out? Does he bail at the first sign of trouble? When there is trouble, what does he do? Does he keep his eyes downfield?
The last one is kind of just a feel thing that encapsulates all of those, but it's "Does this guy look like an NFL QB?" It's not size, stature, athletic ability, offensive system, etc... it's just a gut feel. Go back and watch Aaron Rodgers at Cal - he looks like a QB. Good fundamentals, active feet, live arm, making calls, driving through most of his throws - he just looks the part. Same with Tom Brady, you go back and watch and he looks the part. A little small, sure. But he makes NFL reads and NFL throws. Granted, hindsight is 20/20, but it's a system that has worked for me moreso than any Browns system has worked for them.
So far (and I admit I haven't watched too much) I'm out on Goff, in on Cook, in on Barrett, out on Hackenberg, out on Dobbs, mildly intrigued by Kessler (I get a Big Ben mixed with Matt Leinart feel...but I hate the way he throws), out on Towles, iffy on Kiel.
In order, I'd go:
- Cook
- Barrett
- Kessler
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Thanks for taking the time, TC...
Mechanics and arm strength sure... easy to see... not easy to get agreement upon. Can't count the number of release debates I was in over Wheezy.
Just yesterday an analyst (might have been Phil Savage) talked about Brandon's baseball background and concerns about getting the wind up out of his football throwing motion... but I digress.
Really agree on the feet... provides insight not only into throwing fundamentals, but also pocket presence.
With "look to the sideline" becoming so prevalent pre-snap is going away. Last obvious example of a QB having the Pre-snap "it" that I can recall was Luck at Stanford.
Reads/ progression... without an all-22 can be hard, at least for me to evaluate. Head motion can't detect reads missed.
I think I'll just focus on linemen...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Thanks for taking the time, TC...
Mechanics and arm strength sure... easy to see... not easy to get agreement upon. Can't count the number of release debates I was in over Wheezy.
Just yesterday an analyst (might have been Phil Savage) talked about Brandon's baseball background and concerns about getting the wind up out of his football throwing motion... but I digress.
Really agree on the feet... provides insight not only into throwing fundamentals, but also pocket presence.
With "look to the sideline" becoming so prevalent pre-snap is going away. Last obvious example of a QB having the Pre-snap "it" that I can recall was Luck at Stanford.
Reads/ progression... without an all-22 can be hard, at least for me to evaluate. Head motion can't detect reads missed.
I think I'll just focus on linemen...
Thanks for taking the time, TC...
Mechanics and arm strength sure... easy to see... not easy to get agreement upon. Can't count the number of release debates I was in over Wheezy.
Just yesterday an analyst (might have been Phil Savage) talked about Brandon's baseball background and concerns about getting the wind up out of his football throwing motion... but I digress.
Really agree on the feet... provides insight not only into throwing fundamentals, but also pocket presence.
With "look to the sideline" becoming so prevalent pre-snap is going away. Last obvious example of a QB having the Pre-snap "it" that I can recall was Luck at Stanford.
Reads/ progression... without an all-22 can be hard, at least for me to evaluate. Head motion can't detect reads missed.
I think I'll just focus on linemen...
You're right, it's very difficult to get a read without a 22. That's where the "look for minuses rather than plusses" thing comes in. It's easier to see when a guy IS in a rapid-fire, single read offense than when he isn't.
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Are you folks serious?
After 3 games he's thrown for 833 yards, 8 TD and 2 INT (one was bounced off of his TE's chest).
That's 277 yards and 2 TD a game.
It amazes me how POOR some of us Brown's fans evaluate QBs. Fock'n piss poor. No wonder the Browns never get it right. We got moron fans pushing for midget QB that can only play school yard football.
Are you folks serious?
After 3 games he's thrown for 833 yards, 8 TD and 2 INT (one was bounced off of his TE's chest).
That's 277 yards and 2 TD a game.
It amazes me how POOR some of us Brown's fans evaluate QBs. Fock'n piss poor. No wonder the Browns never get it right. We got moron fans pushing for midget QB that can only play school yard football.
The stats through RG3's first three games arent a hell of a lot further off from Mariota's.
I still stand by my assessment that Mariota won't be some pro bowl QB with longevity. Only time will tell.
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Thanks for taking the time, TC...
Mechanics and arm strength sure... easy to see... not easy to get agreement upon. Can't count the number of release debates I was in over Wheezy.
Just yesterday an analyst (might have been Phil Savage) talked about Brandon's baseball background and concerns about getting the wind up out of his football throwing motion... but I digress.
Really agree on the feet... provides insight not only into throwing fundamentals, but also pocket presence.
With "look to the sideline" becoming so prevalent pre-snap is going away. Last obvious example of a QB having the Pre-snap "it" that I can recall was Luck at Stanford.
Reads/ progression... without an all-22 can be hard, at least for me to evaluate. Head motion can't detect reads missed.
I think I'll just focus on linemen...
I think I'll just focus on linemen...
Ha!.....I avoid QB's myself......
That's where the "look for minuses rather than plusses" thing comes in. It's easier to see when a guy IS in a rapid-fire, single read offense than when he isn't.
Agree.....for me, at least, it's definitely easier to find the QB bad spots than the good ones.......so, while I can rarely guess who's gonna be good, I have a decent hit percentage on who's not......
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Are you folks serious?
After 3 games he's thrown for 833 yards, 8 TD and 2 INT (one was bounced off of his TE's chest).
That's 277 yards and 2 TD a game.
It amazes me how POOR some of us Brown's fans evaluate QBs. Fock'n piss poor. No wonder the Browns never get it right. We got moron fans pushing for midget QB that can only play school yard football.
The stats through RG3's first three games arent a hell of a lot further off from Mariota's.
I still stand by my assessment that Mariota won't be some pro bowl QB with longevity. Only time will tell.
The stats through RG3's first three games arent a hell of a lot further off from Mariota's.
I still stand by my assessment that Mariota won't be some pro bowl QB with longevity. Only time will tell.
Eh, no. Not really.
60 comp | 89 att | 747 yards | 67% | 4 TD | 1 INT | 103.5 Rat |
61 comp | 97 att | 833 yards | 62% | 8 TD | 2 INT | 109.2 Rat |
On paper, that's vaguely close, I guess. The difference is this:
33 carries | 198 yards | 3 TD
5 carries | 25 yards | 0 TD
RG3 was a hell of a player in his first year. He was also run into the ground because his athleticism was emphasized and exploited by the coaching staff, rather than harnessed and utilized properly.
- Before his first injury (concussion, Atlanta, Week 5), RG3 carried the ball an average of 10 times per game.
- Then, RG3 goes 8 more weeks, averaging 9 carries per game, until he's hit by Ngata and sprains his LCL.
- He sits out against us, and then is forced to play next week even though Dr. James Andrews doesn't clear him.
- He goes two more games, then tears his knee up in a non-contact injury, still rushing 13 times since his Baltimore knee injury.
Mariota is just as athletically talented as Griffin. Mariota runs a 4.5 40 to RG3's 4.4. Mariota averaged about 100 carries/season in Oregon, to RG3's 125/season. He can certainly rush if he wanted. However, he hasn't.
Many expected the Titans to utilize a read option offense, similar to what Mariota ran in college. Instead, they are refining his pocket skills. He's not asked to run the ball, he's asked to make reads and throw. And he's doing that, whereas Griffin failed when asked to do the same thing.
It's easy to make the comparison to RG3 at first glance, because it was crammed down your throat that they are the same QB. They are not...at all. It's not even close.
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Are you folks serious?
After 3 games he's thrown for 833 yards, 8 TD and 2 INT (one was bounced off of his TE's chest).
That's 277 yards and 2 TD a game.
It amazes me how POOR some of us Brown's fans evaluate QBs. Fock'n piss poor. No wonder the Browns never get it right. We got moron fans pushing for midget QB that can only play school yard football.
No wonder the Browns never get it right. We got moron fans pushing for midget QB that can only play school yard football.
You're a dummy
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No wonder the Browns never get it right. We got moron fans pushing for midget QB that can only play school yard football.
You're a dummy
You're a dummy
The lead cheerleader for drafting Manziel calls me a dummy. How fitting.
We could had Carr!
We could had Bridgewater!
We could had Mack!
We could had traded all our picks to get Mariotta, but NOOOOOO....we want to roll out WalterWhite's midget QB who can't see over opposing defenders and can't read defense.
Why don't you blow me Walter! Just blow me!
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