Marcus Mariota is Terrible
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@douche-nozzle said:
If you think little Johnny was a bright spot you deserve to watch an entire season with him as the starting QB and amassing more negative stats than any QB in history.
He was you fucking nimrod
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@douche-nozzle said:
If you think little Johnny was a bright spot you deserve to watch an entire season with him as the starting QB and amassing more negative stats than any QB in history.
He was you fucking nimrod
He was you fucking nimrod
Outside of a deep strike...? No, not really.
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63 comp | 97 att | 63% | 833 yards | 8 TD | 2 INT | 109.2 Rating
8th in yards.
4th in TD's.
7th in rating.
4th in 1st Down %
1st in 20+ yard completions.
Already has one perfect game.
Oh, and guess what? He did all this while still being sacked 12 times, because his offensive line is worse than anything we currently have.
Just your friendly reminder, to those who said he'd be a failure.
I will eat my crow on one thing, however, because Winston is looking plenty mediocre.
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The Titans were NOT giving that pick up unless someone offered 3-4 1st rounders. No prospect is worth that especially after the RG3 debacle.
Mariota is going to be good for a very very long time I'm afraid. Another team lands a FQB and our stubborn head coach won't see if we have one.
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Incorrect.
The Titans were not giving up that pick -- full stop. No "unless" anything -- they weren't giving up that pick, period.
You can't force anyone to accept something you propose.
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Incorrect.
The Titans were not giving up that pick -- full stop. No "unless" anything -- they weren't giving up that pick, period.
You can't force anyone to accept something you propose.
Incorrect.
The Titans were not giving up that pick -- full stop. No "unless" anything -- they weren't giving up that pick, period.
You can't force anyone to accept something you propose.
You're right. I remember Chip Kelly saying something the asking price was though the roof. Titans weren't budging.
A franchise QB for 10-15 years is invaluable to a franchise.
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The Titans were NOT giving that pick up unless someone offered 3-4 1st rounders. No prospect is worth that especially after the RG3 debacle.
Mariota is going to be good for a very very long time I'm afraid. Another team lands a FQB and our stubborn head coach won't see if we have one.
The Titans were NOT giving that pick up unless someone offered 3-4 1st rounders. No prospect is worth that especially after the RG3 debacle.
Mariota is going to be good for a very very long time I'm afraid. Another team lands a FQB and our stubborn head coach won't see if we have one.
They were not giving up the pick regardless.
However, the point of this thread is to continually remind those that thought Mariota was a "gimmick QB with no NFL future" that they were wrong. It's not to lament missing out on him, there's enough of that on every other forum on the internet.
Mariota is poised to be a very similar player as Aaron Rodgers. Similar arm talent, vaguely similar demeanor, similar attributes.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
0 and 1 against Johnny Manziel head to head.
WSS
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0 and 1 against Johnny Manziel head to head.
WSS
0 and 1 against Johnny Manziel head to head.
WSS
Also a true stat. If you would have asked me how I would want his season to play out last month, I'd have said as much.
Only difference is that I'd have wanted Manziel to be undefeated to this point.
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And yet we start McClown............
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"Mariota is poised to be a very similar player as Aaron Rodgers." Whoa, let the young QB get a few seasons under his belt before he starts getting mentioned in the same breath as the best QB in the NFL. You sound like you're back to believing the ESPN hype.
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This is wrong. He made plenty of good throws, and a couple bad ones: INT & High throw to Hawkins while rolling left.
13 for 24? Alright sure he is great, I love missing wide open touchdowns, and overthrowing our 6'5 TE, I especially love left handed throws!!
Besides the fact that you can't deny that he is always taking a bee line out of the pocket, he simply can't see.
. I have never been a Johnny fan boy but this post is just stupid. Have you watched Josh's attempts at the long ball?? Were you there to see Johnny dropping dimes on Benji? Actually leading receivers? Did he make some questionable throws? Absolutely but so do vets. I think if we let him throw 30 times in that game he puts up legendary stats. The ONLY thing horrible was ball security.13 for 24? Alright sure he is great, I love missing wide open touchdowns, and overthrowing our 6'5 TE, I especially love left handed throws!!
Besides the fact that you can't deny that he is always taking a bee line out of the pocket, he simply can't see.
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Vince Young won rookie of the year. Let's wait more than 3 games on Mariota. He's played two terrible defenses.
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"Mariota is poised to be a very similar player as Aaron Rodgers." Whoa, let the young QB get a few seasons under his belt before he starts getting mentioned in the same breath as the best QB in the NFL. You sound like you're back to believing the ESPN hype.
"Mariota is poised to be a very similar player as Aaron Rodgers." Whoa, let the young QB get a few seasons under his belt before he starts getting mentioned in the same breath as the best QB in the NFL. You sound like you're back to believing the ESPN hype.
Do you know what the word poised means?
I'll pause while you look it up.
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Are you folks serious?
After 3 games he's thrown for 833 yards, 8 TD and 2 INT (one was bounced off of his TE's chest).
That's 277 yards and 2 TD a game.
It amazes me how POOR some of us Brown's fans evaluate QBs. Fock'n piss poor. No wonder the Browns never get it right. We got moron fans pushing for midget QB that can only play school yard football.
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Marcus Mariota named Septemberโs top offensive rookie
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The Titans were NOT giving that pick up unless someone offered 3-4 1st rounders. No prospect is worth that especially after the RG3 debacle.
Mariota is going to be good for a very very long time I'm afraid. Another team lands a FQB and our stubborn head coach won't see if we have one.
They were not giving up the pick regardless.
However, the point of this thread is to continually remind those that thought Mariota was a "gimmick QB with no NFL future" that they were wrong. It's not to lament missing out on him, there's enough of that on every other forum on the internet.
Mariota is poised to be a very similar player as Aaron Rodgers. Similar arm talent, vaguely similar demeanor, similar attributes.
However, the point of this thread is to continually remind those that thought Mariota was a "gimmick QB with no NFL future" that they were wrong.
So how do you look through a system as pronounced as Oregon's and see the player?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Are you folks serious?
After 3 games he's thrown for 833 yards, 8 TD and 2 INT (one was bounced off of his TE's chest).
That's 277 yards and 2 TD a game.
It amazes me how POOR some of us Brown's fans evaluate QBs. Fock'n piss poor. No wonder the Browns never get it right. We got moron fans pushing for midget QB that can only play school yard football.
Are you folks serious?
It amazes me how POOR some of us Brown's fans evaluate QBs....... No wonder the Browns never get it right.
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However, the point of this thread is to continually remind those that thought Mariota was a "gimmick QB with no NFL future" that they were wrong.
So how do you look through a system as pronounced as Oregon's and see the player?
So how do you look through a system as pronounced as Oregon's and see the player?
Honestly, I don't look for things I like moreso I look for things I don't like. I'll do one or two full games just watching the QB to see any traits I don't like.
For instance, (and this may be a bad example) but Carr and Osweiler both stuck out as having a high proportion of quick, short passes. In Osweiler's case, I believe there was a game I watched where he threw 4-5 WR screens on one drive, just alternating the field. Same with Goff this year - he's putting up good numbers but he's doing it against weak competition and with high percentage throws. Stuff like that won't work in the NFL, so with prospects like that, I then have to look at throws they COULD make in the NFL. Personally, as of right now, I don't think Goff has it. I thought Carr had the talent, but not the experience in the right system. And I thought Osweiler had the body, but not the accuracy. We'll see about him.
If I had to break down what I do look for, though, I guess it would be four or five main things:
One - I only pay attention to "NFL" throws. (15 yard outs, deep posts, sluggos, back shoulder fades). I look at ball placement and whether or not an NFL corner could have made a play on it. I know it's antithesis to the point I am making in another thread, but I think "could Haden pick this?" I discount wide open throws, checkdowns, busted plays, and high percentage throws like drags and zips.
Two - I pay attention to pre-snap. Does the QB make any pre-snap calls? Does the system vary their cadence? Is there even a cadence? Or does the QB just walk to the line, clap, and wait for the ball to be snapped? It's not a no-go if they are in a non-cadence system, but it is a factor to me.
Three - I watch for progression. Many college systems are half-field reads - it's rare to see college QB's work across the field, so I don't let a lack of that influence my decision too much. It's more "does the QB lock onto one read the entire time? Is there any sort of head fake or baiting the safety?
Four - I look for fundamentals. Where does he hold the ball? How quick is his delivery? Does he pat the ball before throwing it? Does he have a hitch in his delivery? Are his feet active? Does he drive toward the target or fall away? No one thing is enough to write off a prospect, but I don't personally like when they have more than two glaring fundamental flaws.
Five - I look for pocket skills and poise. Does he work up the pocket? Does he work out? Does he bail at the first sign of trouble? When there is trouble, what does he do? Does he keep his eyes downfield?
The last one is kind of just a feel thing that encapsulates all of those, but it's "Does this guy look like an NFL QB?" It's not size, stature, athletic ability, offensive system, etc... it's just a gut feel. Go back and watch Aaron Rodgers at Cal - he looks like a QB. Good fundamentals, active feet, live arm, making calls, driving through most of his throws - he just looks the part. Same with Tom Brady, you go back and watch and he looks the part. A little small, sure. But he makes NFL reads and NFL throws. Granted, hindsight is 20/20, but it's a system that has worked for me moreso than any Browns system has worked for them.
So far (and I admit I haven't watched too much) I'm out on Goff, in on Cook, in on Barrett, out on Hackenberg, out on Dobbs, mildly intrigued by Kessler (I get a Big Ben mixed with Matt Leinart feel...but I hate the way he throws), out on Towles, iffy on Kiel.
In order, I'd go:
- Cook
- Barrett
- Kessler
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Thanks for taking the time, TC...
Mechanics and arm strength sure... easy to see... not easy to get agreement upon. Can't count the number of release debates I was in over Wheezy.
Just yesterday an analyst (might have been Phil Savage) talked about Brandon's baseball background and concerns about getting the wind up out of his football throwing motion... but I digress.
Really agree on the feet... provides insight not only into throwing fundamentals, but also pocket presence.
With "look to the sideline" becoming so prevalent pre-snap is going away. Last obvious example of a QB having the Pre-snap "it" that I can recall was Luck at Stanford.
Reads/ progression... without an all-22 can be hard, at least for me to evaluate. Head motion can't detect reads missed.
I think I'll just focus on linemen...
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