you've got to be showing *major* promise/upside in year 2 in the nfl.....
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Other than IMO Pet is not pinning the "hopes of the franchise" on McC... sure.
The one thing Pet is getting credit for is getting effort out of his team. Those not willing or not capable of putting out the effort are minimized, e.g., Bowe, Gilbert. Put another way, he is putting his best team on the field.
Right now that team includes McC, our bridge QB... and everyone knows that is what Josh is.
Other than IMO Pet is not pinning the "hopes of the franchise" on McC... sure.
The one thing Pet is getting credit for is getting effort out of his team. Those not willing or not capable of putting out the effort are minimized, e.g., Bowe, Gilbert. Put another way, he is putting his best team on the field.
Right now that team includes McC, our bridge QB... and everyone knows that is what Josh is.
Hmmm. That statement would leave me to conclude you don't think Manziel put out his best effort his last outing. Otherwise he would be out there with the rest giving their all instead of being minimized.
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Tank supposedly is a helluva blitzer and an ST'er should certainly have a fill mentality, but IIRC he can't cover.
I just don't see multifunctional LBs on our roster... especially on the outside.
Situationally guessing for an entire game is not my idea of adapting to the talent you have.
Our first defensive series was electric. But if it was over the moment SD went spread, then be it coaching and/or talent something is seriously wrong. Good Defenses dictate to the Offense.
Tank supposedly is a helluva blitzer and an ST'er should certainly have a fill mentality, but IIRC he can't cover.
I just don't see multifunctional LBs on our roster... especially on the outside.
Situationally guessing for an entire game is not my idea of adapting to the talent you have.
Our first defensive series was electric. But if it was over the moment SD went spread, then be it coaching and/or talent something is seriously wrong. Good Defenses dictate to the Offense.
If he can smash RB's coming north south, than I give a fuck what his cover skills are.
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Did Mingo & Kruger even play?
I don't recall their names being mentioned.
Sounds like Bowe isn't the only player doing jack shit for a paycheck this year.
Did Mingo & Kruger even play?
I don't recall their names being mentioned.
Sounds like Bowe isn't the only player doing jack shit for a paycheck this year.
I think Mingo played, not sure. BUt yeah Kruger played most of the game. Didn't do shit.
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We were down Haden and D Bryant all game. Gipson went out during the second half.
Haden broke his finger last game, DB was out for the 2nd straight game with an undescribed shoulder injury, Gipson badly sprained his ankle.
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Other than IMO Pet is not pinning the "hopes of the franchise" on McC... sure.
The one thing Pet is getting credit for is getting effort out of his team. Those not willing or not capable of putting out the effort are minimized, e.g., Bowe, Gilbert. Put another way, he is putting his best team on the field.
Right now that team includes McC, our bridge QB... and everyone knows that is what Josh is.
Hmmm. That statement would leave me to conclude you don't think Manziel put out his best effort his last outing. Otherwise he would be out there with the rest giving their all instead of being minimized.
Hmmm. That statement would leave me to conclude you don't think Manziel put out his best effort his last outing. Otherwise he would be out there with the rest giving their all instead of being minimized.
I can see where someone could read that into my post, but was not my intent. With JM it's just a matter of him being the 2nd best QB at the moment.
If he can smash RB's coming north south, than I give a fuck what his cover skills are.
Sure... until he bites on a couple play fakes and gives up quick posts to the slot receiver right where Tank vacated.
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Hmmm. That statement would leave me to conclude you don't think Manziel put out his best effort his last outing. Otherwise he would be out there with the rest giving their all instead of being minimized.
I can see where someone could read that into my post, but was not my intent. With JM it's just a matter of him being the 2nd best QB at the moment.
If he can smash RB's coming north south, than I give a fuck what his cover skills are.
Sure... until he bites on a couple play fakes and gives up quick posts to the slot receiver right where Tank vacated.
I can see where someone could read that into my post, but was not my intent. With JM it's just a matter of him being the 2nd best QB at the moment.
Sure... until he bites on a couple play fakes and gives up quick posts to the slot receiver right where Tank vacated.
Dude I want to see a ball carrier smashed so hard at this point that I could live with your scenario. As long as he makes that slot receiver regret signing up to the play in the NFL at some point during the game one of those quick slants to the inside, i'm ok with biting on a PA. Look I've got lowered expectations at this point. Can one team maybe not run for 200 yds on us?
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i could count on one hand the true browns fans on this board. the rest are a bunch of whiny cunts.
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i could count on one hand the true browns fans on this board. the rest are a bunch of whiny cunts.
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people want to see NFL football played on a consistent basis. For me at least, it's not all about wins. I'm ok for now with a loss if we see some fire. Some real NFL film quality plays. It's not whining to expect that out of a professional football team. It's whining if you're constantly bitching about things that happen at the elite level that didn't go our way, there's certain breaks that happen in this game and there's nothing you can do about it. But the year in and year out lack of talent is becoming unbearable. Watching players we passed on develop their games, some in losing franchises similar to the Browns situation....is just annoying at this point. These are baseline expectations out of an organization from the fan base that aren't being met.
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I can see where someone could read that into my post, but was not my intent. With JM it's just a matter of him being the 2nd best QB at the moment.
Sure... until he bites on a couple play fakes and gives up quick posts to the slot receiver right where Tank vacated.
Dude I want to see a ball carrier smashed so hard at this point that I could live with your scenario. As long as he makes that slot receiver regret signing up to the play in the NFL at some point during the game one of those quick slants to the inside, i'm ok with biting on a PA. Look I've got lowered expectations at this point. Can one team maybe not run for 200 yds on us?
Dude I want to see a ball carrier smashed so hard at this point that I could live with your scenario. As long as he makes that slot receiver regret signing up to the play in the NFL at some point during the game one of those quick slants to the inside, i'm ok with biting on a PA. Look I've got lowered expectations at this point. Can one team maybe not run for 200 yds on us?ou
SD was held under 100... that help?
I hear you. It'd be nice to be able to point to something the D is doing well... especially without another aspect being so deep in the shit.
And first, you stop the run...
But somewhere out there is another Clay Mathews, Sr. waiting to be a Brown.
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i could count on one hand the true browns fans on this board. the rest are a bunch of whiny cunts.
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i could count on one hand the true browns fans on this board. the rest are a bunch of whiny cunts.
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Just remember this cry babies....if not for a blatant missed call by the officials tonite at the end of last nite's Monday night football game we'd have the same record as the 2 time nfc champs/Super Bowl champ.
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i could count on one hand the true browns fans on this board. the rest are a bunch of whiny cunts.
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How can Pettine say in his presser " I have full confidence in Jim O''Neil" and "we are very very close to getting it on defense"??? How can he say that shit without cracking up laughing?
How can Pettine say in his presser " I have full confidence in Jim O''Neil" and "we are very very close to getting it on defense"??? How can he say that shit without cracking up laughing?
That's one of the things that's kind of turning me off about Pettine. I understand these guys are dragged infront of the mic and are almost forced to put on a rosy forecast for the stockholders. I just wish he'd come out and say we've got some real fucking problems on this team and it's my job to figure out if it's the guys, the scheme or both.
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How can Pettine say in his presser " I have full confidence in Jim O''Neil" and "we are very very close to getting it on defense"??? How can he say that shit without cracking up laughing?
That's one of the things that's kind of turning me off about Pettine. I understand these guys are dragged infront of the mic and are almost forced to put on a rosy forecast for the stockholders. I just wish he'd come out and say we've got some real fucking problems on this team and it's my job to figure out if it's the guys, the scheme or both.
That's one of the things that's kind of turning me off about Pettine. I understand these guys are dragged infront of the mic and are almost forced to put on a rosy forecast for the stockholders. I just wish he'd come out and say we've got some real fucking problems on this team and it's my job to figure out if it's the guys, the scheme or both.
I think the worst thing Pettine could do would be publicly call out coaches and players. That would be counter productive in trying to improve the teams play. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, in practices or after watching game films. Behind the scenes is where this needs to take place. Pettine shoulders the blame in public and that is to his credit and what is best.
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How can Pettine say in his presser " I have full confidence in Jim O''Neil" and "we are very very close to getting it on defense"??? How can he say that shit without cracking up laughing?
That's one of the things that's kind of turning me off about Pettine. I understand these guys are dragged infront of the mic and are almost forced to put on a rosy forecast for the stockholders. I just wish he'd come out and say we've got some real fucking problems on this team and it's my job to figure out if it's the guys, the scheme or both.
That's one of the things that's kind of turning me off about Pettine. I understand these guys are dragged infront of the mic and are almost forced to put on a rosy forecast for the stockholders. I just wish he'd come out and say we've got some real fucking problems on this team and it's my job to figure out if it's the guys, the scheme or both.
You don't need to criticize anyone- just admit being dead last in defense is unacceptable, and we're going to make the necessary changes to get it right. Not. "we're close". Earth to Mike- you have to improve 100% just to get to the "mediocre" range. So start showing some of the defensive genius you were hired for.
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That's one of the things that's kind of turning me off about Pettine. I understand these guys are dragged infront of the mic and are almost forced to put on a rosy forecast for the stockholders. I just wish he'd come out and say we've got some real fucking problems on this team and it's my job to figure out if it's the guys, the scheme or both.
You don't need to criticize anyone- just admit being dead last in defense is unacceptable, and we're going to make the necessary changes to get it right. Not. "we're close". Earth to Mike- you have to improve 100% just to get to the "mediocre" range. So start showing some of the defensive genius you were hired for.
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That's one of the things that's kind of turning me off about Pettine. I understand these guys are dragged infront of the mic and are almost forced to put on a rosy forecast for the stockholders. I just wish he'd come out and say we've got some real fucking problems on this team and it's my job to figure out if it's the guys, the scheme or both.
I think the worst thing Pettine could do would be publicly call out coaches and players. That would be counter productive in trying to improve the teams play. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, in practices or after watching game films. Behind the scenes is where this needs to take place. Pettine shoulders the blame in public and that is to his credit and what is best.
I think the worst thing Pettine could do would be publicly call out coaches and players.
Agree, but Pet has started to fray a little and tip-toe over the line. Not referring to the comment about Haden making the call on his playing Sunday. I thought that was fine as I feel Joe is well enough respected in the locker room to have his self-evaluation respected.
But yesterday Pet was asked about a player comment on Rivers seeming to know what we were doing defensively. Pet dismissed it out of hand with comment along the lines of "players think that for one play and it becomes reality for the game. Coaches don't react like that."
Anyone who watched the game should remember the back to back plays where Rivers was setting the protection and calling out the coverage in plain language. It was authoritative, if not accurate. Even may have in fact been a "head game"... but if so, then it was a damn good one.
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