Should refs be more strongly punished for missed calls?

[jrb12711]

@tour2ma said:

Most penalty calls are subjective to some degree. Exceptions that come to mind include: jersey-pulling holds and face-mask grabs, be the latter on runners or tacklers being stiff-armed or even rushers/blockers getting hands to face.

Your photo is the perfect example. In the moment that Ref claims he could not discern "intent"... a purely subjective element. In the photo or the replay there is no question of intent.

Fair point on everything, it would lengthen the game but again if they are going to throw 10+ flags a game somethings gotta give when they mess it up that bad.

[bigbambo]

He's no beckham ......quite obvious he was not trying to recover it! You know....they have some expert ass that the play-by-play announcers go to, why don't they use him for something that counts? I would love to be paid for some stupid shit as that!

[calfoxwc]

The point is, that surely all of us have noticed times, in the same game, when

one team gets the calls on penalties... and later, the same fouls are not called.

Subjectivity is one thing, but either you ARE allowed to push off as a receiver...

or you are NOT.

But sometimes called, sometimes not...

is just corruption. I don't see how it's possible to have the ball being thrown where the pushing off takes place,

and no ref sees it.

And other times, it's called. I see this and rewatch the pushing off, and often, the fouls look nearly exactly

the same,

but one called, one not called.

And it really steams me when I see it in a Browns game, like interference/holding against the Browns -fine...

and then overtly holding/interference down the field.........no call.

Same thing with offensive line holding. The Browns have had that called against them, sometimes

so obscurely it's stupid.... yet you can see the other team's oline flagrantly holding, even nearly tackling

from behind....

no call. Something is wrong with certain refs in referee land.

[gumby73]

You ref a game and you don't know all the Rules.. Laughable. Embarrassing. At least Fineable Hey Roger? Send a Am Sorry Letter.. LMFOL

[JPPT1974]

Think that they will not get punished. They may have some kind of immunity deal to allow them not to.

[Opal312]

Seahawks clearly get a controversial call or no call every year. They should leave it up to the guys in New York and take it out of the hands of the refs. And then there's the Vegas Fix.

[jrb12711]

@gumby73 said:

You ref a game and you don't know all the Rules.. Laughable. Embarrassing. At least Fineable Hey Roger? Send a Am Sorry Letter.. LMFOL

I think Mike & Mike said it best yesterday essentially noting it's 2015-we have cameras all over the field and people are watching the game like never before. It makes the whole game look bad when this type of crap happens, so fix it. Start small if you have to like the MLB to review out or safe and build from there. It's just inexcusable to let such a bonehead moment have a huge impact.

[Tour2ma]

There is no reason to limit what is "reviewable". So much is automatic now, e.g., turnovers, scores, and everything in last 2 minutes or OT, that you just open up the coaches challenges to everything and anything anytime.

Then if refs blow a call in last minute the team that got hosed has the burden of recognizing it as well. The Lions did not know that was the case Monday nite.

And for the process to work, you cannot let the hurry-up defeat it. Especially when "the booth" is responsible for all reviews. You have to delay the next snap long enough to allow a review to happen. Stop the clock and stand over the ball until the booth says "go".

[Mudfly]

Its kind of a catch 22 with the penalties now......we all want the calls to go our way.....and with all the cameras and angles we get, it's pretty easy(for us) to see the infractions and the refs errors....

of course, as they say, there is a penalty on every play.....and if we can see it, then we get pissed if it isnt called...but at the same time, we get pissed when the refs are constantly throwing flags....

So, we have 2 choices.....

1) Allow the human element(refs) to continue to call what they see, and there will be errors.....OR....

2) Allow the cameras and refs upstairs to call every play perfectly, and there will be LOTS of flags and stoppages....

[calfoxwc]

Well, just once, I'd like an explanation to some flagrant fouls that do get called...

and not called. As in, very much the exact same foul. Some of these referees

are blockheads...

we need to replace incompetent referees with some excellent ones...

[Tour2ma]

Ah...the good ole days...

[gumby73]

@jrb12711 said:

I think Mike & Mike said it best yesterday essentially noting it's 2015-we have cameras all over the field and people are watching the game like never before. It makes the whole game look bad when this type of crap happens, so fix it. Start small if you have to like the MLB to review out or safe and build from there. It's just inexcusable to let such a bonehead moment have a huge impact.

With all the cameras out their still been many times a ref cannot turn play because it still is inconclusive. But if your only job was to coach special teams the Lions ST coach blew it Too..