Obama Loves the Military Sooo Much..........
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When the proposal hits the floor, it is real. Before that, it's nothing.
I'm moving on already. This is beyond boring. To be honest, it's a topic I couldn't care less about.
mz. said:
When the proposal hits the floor, it is real. Before that, it's nothing.I'm moving on already. This is beyond boring. To be honest, it's a topic I couldn't care less about.
No shit. We all know how you think the military are baby killing, uneducated thugs. Loser.
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mz. said:
When the proposal hits the floor, it is real. Before that, it's nothing.I'm moving on already. This is beyond boring. To be honest, it's a topic I couldn't care less about.
No shit. We all know how you think the military are baby killing, uneducated thugs. Loser.
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No shit. We all know how you think the military are baby killing, uneducated thugs. Loser.
You are, aren't you?
PS Jeffro, this isn't about whether or not I agree with the proposal. It's that the thing doesn't even exist.
PPS How was that "vacation?"
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You can argue the merits of the idea all you want, but this is much more than a rumor:
The administration sees the plan as a way of raising more than $500 million in revenues for the Department of Veterans Affairs. However, veterans groups see it is a violation of the government's moral obligation to treat veterans injured during service to their country.
In addition, they believe it will lead to veterans and their families losing their private insurance or premiums rising because of the high costs of treating many service-related injuries.
The head of the Senate Veterans Affairs committee, Daniel Akaka, said Tuesday his committee "will not advance any such legislation."
His counterpart in the House, Bob Filner, said his
committee won't take up the proposal either. In a statement released by his office, Filner said the idea is "DOA" and said the budget "cannot be balanced on the backs (or legs, or kidneys, or hearts) of our nation's combat-wounded heroes."
The president pushed back during the meeting on Monday, telling the groups that the private insurance companies were getting a free ride. He challenged the veterans to come up with an alternative way to raise revenues.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/...rance-proposal/
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No shit. We all know how you think the military are baby killing, uneducated thugs. Loser.
You are, aren't you?
PS Jeffro, this isn't about whether or not I agree with the proposal. It's that the thing doesn't even exist.
PPS How was that "vacation?"
mz. said:
You are, aren't you?PS Jeffro, this isn't about whether or not I agree with the proposal. It's that the thing doesn't even exist.
PPS How was that "vacation?"
LMAO. I could care less about a ban. We know all the mod's in here are on your side. I have been in discussion with other posters via email. I realize that legacy, Dak, Chic, etc. are on your side. I could give a shit less. It's kind of laughable that you think it's a big deal. But then again you think it's a popularity contest I guess. Must be lonely having no "real friends"!
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@danamal said:
The proposal is for service men and women to be treated for service related injuries using their own private insuranceUhhhhhhh,
Having been in the service if you could give me a choice between Frank Burns or my own private doctor,thats no contest and I would be glad to have that as an option.
That's the most idiotic statement you have ever made. We aren't talking about your service in peace time, we are talking about people with injuries incurred in combat. Service Connected. I think the VA has excellent Doctors, most are staffed by University Hospital residents. Frank Burns? Good lord.
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@danamal said:
Again,given the choice I would visit my doctor and use my insurance any day over the military as I am fortunate to have kick ass healthcare coverage,and there is no such thing as a highly rated VA hospital,That would be like diehard screaming im the smartest guy here while riding the short bus.For the record, my service to this country is no better or worse than anyone elses.
My father had a hip replacement in a VA hospital. 15 years later he's jogging on it. I guess it depends where you go?
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@danamal said:
Having been in the service if you could give me a choice between Frank Burns or my own private doctor,thats no contest and I would be glad to have that as an option.The proposal is not about "choice" in coverage. The proposal is about freeing up money for the VA by having those with combat related/service related injuries use private insurance carriers to cover the costs. Lots of problems could arise, such as higher premiums, lack of coverage, pre-existing conditions making it harder to get coverage, ect...
It is a bad proposal.
American service men and women deserve health coverage from the American people, not private insurance companies out to make a dollar. Here I thought the leftist's of this board mistrusted private business.
Obama has made a horrible proposal, and the backlash from it will make sure it never see the floor. That doesn't make the guy a horrible POTUS, but it does mean he has a lot to learn, like any other new, young POTUS. You guys get so damn sensitive when it comes to BHO. Relax, he is bound to make mistakes.
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I understand mistakes. Bush made em, but HE caught hell for it.
Obama makes em, and it's all smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that he isn't qualified
to be Commander in Chief. This last "plan" is outrageous, and so wrong that you can't
possibly consider Obama a MISTAKE as such.
And, although he has plenty of time to have been a good pres...
he is off to a -poor- start and doesn't show signs of getting it.
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mz. said:
Q: Did this hit the floor yet?Because it will never make it to a vote does not change anything. His own Secretary of the VA pretty much told him it is a stupid fooking idea and recommends that BHO never bring it up again. That is how stupid the proposal is.
Bush made a boat load of mistakes, and now the ultra-right of the Republican party are coming out of the word work trying to pounce on the POTUS for everything. I am not one of those people. I want Obama to do well. But this is a bad idea, and it does not need to "hit the floor" to be an example of piss poor thinking.
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I understand mistakes. Bush made em, but HE caught hell for it.
Obama makes em, and it's all smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that he isn't qualified
to be Commander in Chief. This last "plan" is outrageous, and so wrong that you can't
possibly consider Obama a MISTAKE as such.
And, although he has plenty of time to have been a good pres...
he is off to a -poor- start and doesn't show signs of getting it.
I understand mistakes. Bush made em, but HE caught hell for it.
Obama makes em, and it's all smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that he isn't qualified
to be Commander in Chief. This last "plan" is outrageous, and so wrong that you can't
possibly consider Obama a MISTAKE as such.
And, although he has plenty of time to have been a good pres...
he is off to a -poor- start and doesn't show signs of getting it.
For a person who supported one of the worst decision making presidents this country has EVER had, you seem to have a lot of stones to throw from that glass house of yours. You have an entire board of threads worth of stones.
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With the cuts the the Bush administration passed through, I think most soldiers would be better off going anywhere else than to the VA hospital.
Even active soldiers are treated exteremly poorly when they get wounded.
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With the cuts the the Bush administration passed through, I think most soldiers would be better off going anywhere else than to the VA hospital.
Even active soldiers are treated exteremly poorly when they get wounded.
With the cuts the the Bush administration passed through, I think most soldiers would be better off going anywhere else than to the VA hospital.
Even active soldiers are treated exteremly poorly when they get wounded.
Bush passed enormous increases in VA spending the last two years, and that was all before the stimulus. I sell to the VA here in Vegas, Reno and Oregon. You have no clue that what you just said was false, do you?
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It could be but I seem to remember cutbacks in that area.
Yep, he was planning on it. I think this qualifies under wanting to cut veteran's benefits. More so than what you are blasting Obama for.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/12/...D8N8BJ480.shtml
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With the cuts the the Bush administration passed through, I think most soldiers would be better off going anywhere else than to the VA hospital.
Even active soldiers are treated exteremly poorly when they get wounded.
With the cuts the the Bush administration passed through, I think most soldiers would be better off going anywhere else than to the VA hospital.
Even active soldiers are treated extremely poorly when they get wounded.
Another idiotic statement. Where do you get your facts from? Military medicine is fantastic. They get the best treatment. The only area where treatment needs to improve is mental illness. This has alot to do with the take it like a man and deal with it attitude that goes with being in the military.
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It could be but I seem to remember cutbacks in that area.
Yep, he was planning on it. I think this qualifies under wanting to cut veteran's benefits. More so than what you are blasting Obama for.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/12/...D8N8BJ480.shtml
It could be but I seem to remember cutbacks in that area.
Yep, he was planning on it. I think this qualifies under wanting to cut veteran's benefits. More so than what you are blasting Obama for.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/12/...D8N8BJ480.shtml
As I said you don't know jack shit. This is what you said:
With the cuts the the Bush administration passed through, I think most soldiers would be better off going anywhere else than to the VA hospital.
You first said he cut them, and now you're trying to cover it up. You're wrong. And what Obama proposed has nothing to do with Bush.
You were wrong, got called on it, and now you want to be a child about it and try and point the finger at Bush. Fooking hilarious that you're wrong, and somehow it is Bush's fault.
Get your facts straight.
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With the cuts the the Bush administration passed through, I think most soldiers would be better off going anywhere else than to the VA hospital.
Even active soldiers are treated exteremly poorly when they get wounded.
Even active soldiers are treated exteremly poorly when they get wounded.
Oh really now? Care to back that up with personal knowledge? Prove it !!!!!
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