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  • @mark-o said:

    So you're solution is to just bitch and moan. Got it. I would suggest you find a new team to follow. Maybe one of those undefeated teams so you won't have to be so miserable if the Browns lose.

    How long have you been stuck in this infinite loop of half assed optimism?

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    How long have you been stuck in this infinite loop of half assed optimism?

    I've been a Browns fan for my entire life so 46 years. It's a fucking football game that I have no control over the outcome. I love the Browns and always will. I'd love to see them win like the Patriots and hopefully one day it will happen. In the meantime, I'm going to watch every Sunday and I'd rather see a game like todays game than some of the shit shows we've had to watch where the game is over at halftime.

  • Getting too old for moral victories, and they're really only for the players. I still believe our front office is severely lacking any ability to put together a team that allows an inexperienced coaching staff to put their stamp on a team. It's a hard fix.

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    How long have you been stuck in this infinite loop of half assed optimism?

    I've been a Browns fan for my entire life so 46 years. It's a fucking football game that I have no control over the outcome. I love the Browns and always will. I'd love to see them win like the Patriots and hopefully one day it will happen. In the meantime, I'm going to watch every Sunday and I'd rather see a game like todays game than some of the shit shows we've had to watch where the game is over at halftime.

    @mark-o said:

    I've been a Browns fan for my entire life so 46 years. It's a fucking football game that I have no control over the outcome. I love the Browns and always will. I'd love to see them win like the Patriots and hopefully one day it will happen. In the meantime, I'm going to watch every Sunday and I'd rather see a game like todays game than some of the shit shows we've had to watch where the game is over at halftime.

    I'll grant you they, "hang in" much longer these days.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Without a few star wr's ... defenses overload on the running game, and dare

    McCown try to win the game on offense with little fast guys.

    If Peyton didn't have his two big wr's.... he'd be toast.

    The defense had the wr's to cope with, plus stopping the run.

    Advantage goes to the Denver defense.

    I'm proud of how tough the Browns played. I like the old saying "the only guy who makes no mistakes

    isn't trying to accomplish anything".

    Denver is very fast on both sides of the ball. It's just dumb to bitch about no sacks on Peyton,

    when he has wr's to throw to so quickly, so often. He got rid of the ball immediately, because

    usually, he had wr's to throw to.

    There are some around here who would be happier if the Browns got hammered, say, 42-3 ...

    they aren't really Browns fans.

    The Browns left is all out there on the field, and it didn't work out, but it was close. I admire that effort.

    But they are seriously lacking a Dwayne Bowe type, one with a love for the game - that lends itself

    to often fighting a losing battle in the run game, especially when they keep running on first down so much.

    the bitching contest is just stinkin up the board.

    the team is really headed in the right direction, missing a few pieces.

    And if we find those pieces in the draft we'll inevitably lose other pieces. Because no one wants to play for a perennial loser. And that's what the browns are. A perennial loser. What's the solution? Who knows? Really who knows? The only place I can look at and feel good about at the moment is mccown. And how long is he going to last really? Two years? The oline might get him killed.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    And if we find those pieces in the draft we'll inevitably lose other pieces. Because no one wants to play for a perennial loser. And that's what the browns are. A perennial loser. What's the solution? Who knows? Really who knows? The only place I can look at and feel good about at the moment is mccown. And how long is he going to last really? Two years? The oline might get him killed.

    It's hard to be positive after a tough loss, but here goes...

    Cincy was a doormat for years, and they've turned it around. They stuck with Marvin Lewis, despite the critics. They drafted well (we haven't obviously).

    You say nobody wants to come to a perennial loser, I say it depends on the guys character. Kruger came here, Dansby came here, the losing mantra associated with the Browns didn't seem to matter to them.

    You ask "what's the solution?" Well, I don't have the right answers myself but I'd stick with coach Pettine, expand the scouting staff and don't clean house like some want. We need some continuity. The Browns play hard, and haven't quit on their coach, that says a lot.

    as for the game itself, for some stupid ass reason, Denver has had our number since the 70s. What pissed me off the most was watching TJ Ward thinking he's Ronnie Lott (although Lott wasn't a cheap-shot artist). Ward should have been flagged a couple of times today, but wasn't. The other thing that irritated me was not leaving a back in to help protect McCown...a no back set invites a good pass rush to get even better, that happened too much today.

    Keep Pettine, get a big WR or 2. Like others mentioned, it's way better that what we've been watching around here for awhile.

  • Gee whiz go stick a root beer in your pie hole. The one time your patented phrase would work you're not going to say it. This team is big serious trouble. Every area they've concentrated on is like they've made it worse. Only the quarterback brought in to be a stopgap is showing much promise. Oh and the tight end. No complaints on barnidge. Cysko

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    enough with the boo hoo melodrama.

  • I cant wait for elpresadors meltdown video, let me check if it's up yet

  • then go be a fan of tennessee. There's only one

    unbeaten team, and the Browns came very, very close

    to beating them.

    the wailing and knashing of teeth doesn't do anything but get

    attention and "victimhood" for the hard core negative nellies around here.

    @calfoxwc said:

    then go be a fan of tennessee. There's only one

    unbeaten team, and the Browns came very, very close

    to beating them.

    the wailing and knashing of teeth doesn't do anything but get

    attention and "victimhood" for the hard core negative nellies around here.

    There's 4 unbeaten teams for starters. New England, Cincinnati, Green Bay, and Denver.

  • yep, it is:

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    And if we find those pieces in the draft we'll inevitably lose other pieces. Because no one wants to play for a perennial loser. And that's what the browns are. A perennial loser. What's the solution? Who knows? Really who knows? The only place I can look at and feel good about at the moment is mccown. And how long is he going to last really? Two years? The oline might get him killed.

    It's hard to be positive after a tough loss, but here goes...

    Cincy was a doormat for years, and they've turned it around. They stuck with Marvin Lewis, despite the critics. They drafted well (we haven't obviously).

    You say nobody wants to come to a perennial loser, I say it depends on the guys character. Kruger came here, Dansby came here, the losing mantra associated with the Browns didn't seem to matter to them.

    You ask "what's the solution?" Well, I don't have the right answers myself but I'd stick with coach Pettine, expand the scouting staff and don't clean house like some want. We need some continuity. The Browns play hard, and haven't quit on their coach, that says a lot.

    as for the game itself, for some stupid ass reason, Denver has had our number since the 70s. What pissed me off the most was watching TJ Ward thinking he's Ronnie Lott (although Lott wasn't a cheap-shot artist). Ward should have been flagged a couple of times today, but wasn't. The other thing that irritated me was not leaving a back in to help protect McCown...a no back set invites a good pass rush to get even better, that happened too much today.

    Keep Pettine, get a big WR or 2. Like others mentioned, it's way better that what we've been watching around here for awhile.

    @bob806 said:

    It's hard to be positive after a tough loss, but here goes...

    Cincy was a doormat for years, and they've turned it around. They stuck with Marvin Lewis, despite the critics. They drafted well (we haven't obviously).

    You say nobody wants to come to a perennial loser, I say it depends on the guys character. Kruger came here, Dansby came here, the losing mantra associated with the Browns didn't seem to matter to them.

    You ask "what's the solution?" Well, I don't have the right answers myself but I'd stick with coach Pettine, expand the scouting staff and don't clean house like some want. We need some continuity. The Browns play hard, and haven't quit on their coach, that says a lot.

    as for the game itself, for some stupid ass reason, Denver has had our number since the 70s. What pissed me off the most was watching TJ Ward thinking he's Ronnie Lott (although Lott wasn't a cheap-shot artist). Ward should have been flagged a couple of times today, but wasn't. The other thing that irritated me was not leaving a back in to help protect McCown...a no back set invites a good pass rush to get even better, that happened too much today.

    Keep Pettine, get a big WR or 2. Like others mentioned, it's way better that what we've been watching around here for awhile.

    I've never been one for firing pettine and you won't find any mention of it from me.

  • @bob806 said:

    It's hard to be positive after a tough loss, but here goes...

    Cincy was a doormat for years, and they've turned it around. They stuck with Marvin Lewis, despite the critics. They drafted well (we haven't obviously).

    You say nobody wants to come to a perennial loser, I say it depends on the guys character. Kruger came here, Dansby came here, the losing mantra associated with the Browns didn't seem to matter to them.

    You ask "what's the solution?" Well, I don't have the right answers myself but I'd stick with coach Pettine, expand the scouting staff and don't clean house like some want. We need some continuity. The Browns play hard, and haven't quit on their coach, that says a lot.

    as for the game itself, for some stupid ass reason, Denver has had our number since the 70s. What pissed me off the most was watching TJ Ward thinking he's Ronnie Lott (although Lott wasn't a cheap-shot artist). Ward should have been flagged a couple of times today, but wasn't. The other thing that irritated me was not leaving a back in to help protect McCown...a no back set invites a good pass rush to get even better, that happened too much today.

    Keep Pettine, get a big WR or 2. Like others mentioned, it's way better that what we've been watching around here for awhile.

    I've never been one for firing pettine and you won't find any mention of it from me.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    I've never been one for firing pettine and you won't find any mention of it from me.

    Me neither, I wouldn't mind seeing Farmer shown the door but I'd still give him one more year.

  • Id fire Pettine today if I was Jimmy. How many games has this guy cost us? He's regressing.

  • Id fire Pettine today if I was Jimmy. How many games has this guy cost us? He's regressing.

    @soju said:

    Id fire Pettine today if I was Jimmy. How many games has this guy cost us? He's regressing.

    Which is why you don't own the team or have a job in a front office.

  • @soju said:

    Id fire Pettine today if I was Jimmy. How many games has this guy cost us? He's regressing.

    Which is why you don't own the team or have a job in a front office.

    @mark-o said:

    Which is why you don't own the team or have a job in a front office.

    no, the reason I dont own the team is because I dont have a billion dollars....moron.

  • @mark-o said:

    Which is why you don't own the team or have a job in a front office.

    no, the reason I dont own the team is because I dont have a billion dollars....moron.

    @soju said:

    no, the reason I dont own the team is because I dont have a billion dollars....moron.

    Only a moron would want to fire the coach 22 games in. The organization needs stability, it can't keep rebuilding every 2 years.

  • @soju said:

    no, the reason I dont own the team is because I dont have a billion dollars....moron.

    Only a moron would want to fire the coach 22 games in. The organization needs stability, it can't keep rebuilding every 2 years.

    @mark-o said:

    Only a moron would want to fire the coach 22 games in. The organization needs stability, it can't keep rebuilding every 2 years.

    It pains me to agree but the team can't keep firing coaches two years in. And let's not fool ourselves to think we are a Gary Kubiak away from 6-0.

  • @soju said:

    no, the reason I dont own the team is because I dont have a billion dollars....moron.

    Only a moron would want to fire the coach 22 games in. The organization needs stability, it can't keep rebuilding every 2 years.

    @mark-o said:

    Only a moron would want to fire the coach 22 games in. The organization needs stability, it can't keep rebuilding every 2 years.

    we need stabilithy with a proven guy, or a guy that at least shows improvement and doesnt make stupid azz mistakes like Pettine does week in and week out. Going for 2 there cost us the game, and we can probably go back to every loss and point out a crucial decision he made that led to losing the game, too.

  • @mark-o said:

    Only a moron would want to fire the coach 22 games in. The organization needs stability, it can't keep rebuilding every 2 years.

    we need stabilithy with a proven guy, or a guy that at least shows improvement and doesnt make stupid azz mistakes like Pettine does week in and week out. Going for 2 there cost us the game, and we can probably go back to every loss and point out a crucial decision he made that led to losing the game, too.

    @soju said:

    we need stabilithy with a proven guy, or a guy that at least shows improvement and doesnt make stupid azz mistakes like Pettine does week in and week out. Going for 2 there cost us the game, and we can probably go back to every loss and point out a crucial decision he made that led to losing the game, too.

    going for 2 cost the game? Because Denver couldn't have just gone for 2 on their 1 play 80 yard TD drive right chachi?? Only a narrow minded nitwit would say that decision cost us the game.

  • yep, it is:

    @soju said:

    yep, it is:

    I do admire this guy. Particularly that he refuses to wear a seatbelt. That's the best part for me, every 30 seconds or so his car dings at him while he gets it all out.

    But no. Hell no do not fire Pettine. It's like asking for another 2 losing seasons.

  • We had a Broncos team that was having a down day and we blew it. Simple as that, we had the opportunity to win and blew it.

    @bbedward said:

    We had a Broncos team that was having a down day and we blew it. Simple as that, we had the opportunity to win and blew it.

    And before us came five teams whose fans I'm sure said the same thing.

    bb, what I saw was a Broncos win just the way they've been winning all year... strong D and just enough O.

  • @soju said:

    yep, it is:

    I do admire this guy. Particularly that he refuses to wear a seatbelt. That's the best part for me, every 30 seconds or so his car dings at him while he gets it all out.

    But no. Hell no do not fire Pettine. It's like asking for another 2 losing seasons.

    @ibleedbrown said:

    But no. Hell no do not fire Pettine. It's like asking for another 2 losing seasons.

    Fuck this clown...how many times has he said he's done. Attention grabbing whore is all he is...