Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I normally loathe reading Tony Grossi, but at least he's asking the same question I am.
Where in the hell was Farmer, Haslam, or even Scheiner Monday afternoon while the HC is being grilled about JM?
Let's face it, Pettine isn't the guy responsible for bringing the circus to town.
Great read. . .
http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=50661
I normally loathe reading Tony Grossi, but at least he's asking the same question I am.
Where in the hell was Farmer, Haslam, or even Scheiner Monday afternoon while the HC is being grilled about JM?
Let's face it, Pettine isn't the guy responsible for bringing the circus to town.
Great read. . .
http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=50661
Couldn't agree more. This is the GM and an owner issue. The problem is neither Haslam or Farmer want to answer the real question which is, "you used a first round draft pick on a guy who doesn't contribute on the field and is a constant headache to the organization, where do you go from here". Also there would probably be a couple of "Ray do you feel that your absence due to suspension has hampered the teams decision making", "Ray do you feel between the Josh Gordon issue, Justin Gilbert's driving incident and the off the field distractions of Johnny Manziel, that there isn't organizational control" and "Jimmy we are two seasons into the Pettine/Farmer era and it appears that the results are eerily similar to previous seasons". Neither likes to answer hard questions and they hung Pettine out to dry.
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Is he a HC or JM apologist?
There's no apology needed for the situation. He's the head coach and he's the guy you ask no matter what's going on with the team. I would say instead of getting your panties in a bunch about this he might want to be the apologist for the highest paid defense in the league.
WSS
During the deflategate shit storm, you saw more of Kraft than Bill.There's no apology needed for the situation. He's the head coach and he's the guy you ask no matter what's going on with the team. I would say instead of getting your panties in a bunch about this he might want to be the apologist for the highest paid defense in the league.
WSS
A competent FO would show a little more unity than what's coming out of Berea.
At least my panties are dry, cause I'm not a charter member of the JM knob riding club.
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Tell josh's boy with his same hair style to get rid of those Weeden eyeball looks. Not in Cleveland please.. Manziel for some reason is in the hands of the league. None of our FO can say anything & Coach Pet is their to talk Game prep about players. If the NFL only goes by video & Police Report only. JM did not Hit his women in the head. Will they believe a drunk women, now that's a whole different story..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Tell josh's boy with his same hair style to get rid of those Weeden eyeball looks. Not in Cleveland please.. Manziel for some reason is in the hands of the league. None of our FO can say anything & Coach Pet is their to talk Game prep about players. If the NFL only goes by video & Police Report only. JM did not Hit his women in the head. Will they believe a drunk women, now that's a whole different story..
Will they believe a drunk women, now that's a whole different story..
90% of the time with our pro woman victim law system, yes they will.
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90% of the time with our pro woman victim law system, yes they will.
Fucking drunk women and all the bad shit they do
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Yeah!!!!!
Thanks for the pink lesson Mudfly! lol
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Fucking drunk women and all the bad shit they do
yeah you know when the neighbors call when shit is getting broke in your house and people are screaming and the guy comes out with a knife wound in his gut and the woman say 'he assaulted me' with no evidence whatsoever.....yet they arrest the man and throw him into the 'pigpen' jail cell where that knife wound is now fuckable.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I think it's pretty clear what he has.
A playground mentality.....on and off the field.
A lack of talent at this level.
On-field... Talent is there... buried under the playground, but that has already changed some. The playground urge will never be gone completely, but that is a good thing. You've seen it from Ben over the years. It can be the source of magical improvisation. What you cannot have is a steady diet of it... just can't at this level... and that is already not the case.
Off-field... I'd say maturity/demons rather than playground, but I think I know what you are driving at. In any case while there's hope on that front as well, it's the bigger concern.
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@douche-nozzle said:
No.....I was referring to Vick's lauded travels. He was an amazing athlete who couldn't play the QB position but was hyped due to his heritage. Then he commits atrocities and goes to jail and is then mentored by the NFL (Tony Dungee) to bring him back for one more attempt at being the first elite black QB. Then he is kept around when he is absolute garbage.
Sad but true.
As far as the others you mention, you can see they did the same thing with Kaepernick, and it's waaaay too early to tell with Winston and Newton who are probably the best of the bunch.
Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
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if every camera lens wasn't pointed at the kid 24/7 he might've progressed further at this point.
he has to separate himself from social media and his gf that seems to be obsessed with it.
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Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
it's the yogurt.
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Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
Dead on Tia. Still think S. Smith would have made him even better quicker & the hell out of our division. Sticking with tread next time you see Manziel, Eagles, Houston(Hoyer got ya) or Big D, Dez will want out..
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JFF don't play, Pettine and Farmer go. That simple. Bank it.
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JFF don't play, Pettine and Farmer go. That simple. Bank it.
JFF don't play, Pettine and Farmer go. That simple. Bank it.
really? c'mon man.
do we have to make a bet on this?
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Fucking drunk women and all the bad shit they do
yeah you know when the neighbors call when shit is getting broke in your house and people are screaming and the guy comes out with a knife wound in his gut and the woman say 'he assaulted me' with no evidence whatsoever.....yet they arrest the man and throw him into the 'pigpen' jail cell where that knife wound is now fuckable.
yeah you know when the neighbors call when shit is getting broke in your house and people are screaming and the guy comes out with a knife wound in his gut and the woman say 'he assaulted me' with no evidence whatsoever.....yet they arrest the man and throw him into the 'pigpen' jail cell where that knife wound is now fuckable.
And there is always some dude that wants to piss on somebody.....why is there always someone wanting to piss in jail?
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Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
@douche-nozzle said:
... one more attempt at being the first elite black QB.
Warren Moon was not elite? Better call the HOF...
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons.
Me, too. Simply did not see his "game". But it appears he has one now that is hard to miss.
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@douche-nozzle said:
No.....I was referring to Vick's lauded travels. He was an amazing athlete who couldn't play the QB position but was hyped due to his heritage. Then he commits atrocities and goes to jail and is then mentored by the NFL (Tony Dungee) to bring him back for one more attempt at being the first elite black QB. Then he is kept around when he is absolute garbage.
Sad but true.
As far as the others you mention, you can see they did the same thing with Kaepernick, and it's waaaay too early to tell with Winston and Newton who are probably the best of the bunch.
The First Elite Black QB IMO was Warren Moon. And then you had Steve "air" McNair.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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