Jonathan Paul Manziel
-
@douche-nozzle said:
I think it's pretty clear what he has.
A playground mentality.....on and off the field.
A lack of talent at this level.
On-field... Talent is there... buried under the playground, but that has already changed some. The playground urge will never be gone completely, but that is a good thing. You've seen it from Ben over the years. It can be the source of magical improvisation. What you cannot have is a steady diet of it... just can't at this level... and that is already not the case.
Off-field... I'd say maturity/demons rather than playground, but I think I know what you are driving at. In any case while there's hope on that front as well, it's the bigger concern.
-
@douche-nozzle said:
No.....I was referring to Vick's lauded travels. He was an amazing athlete who couldn't play the QB position but was hyped due to his heritage. Then he commits atrocities and goes to jail and is then mentored by the NFL (Tony Dungee) to bring him back for one more attempt at being the first elite black QB. Then he is kept around when he is absolute garbage.
Sad but true.
As far as the others you mention, you can see they did the same thing with Kaepernick, and it's waaaay too early to tell with Winston and Newton who are probably the best of the bunch.
Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
-
if every camera lens wasn't pointed at the kid 24/7 he might've progressed further at this point.
he has to separate himself from social media and his gf that seems to be obsessed with it.
-
Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
it's the yogurt.
-
-
Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
Dead on Tia. Still think S. Smith would have made him even better quicker & the hell out of our division. Sticking with tread next time you see Manziel, Eagles, Houston(Hoyer got ya) or Big D, Dez will want out..
-
JFF don't play, Pettine and Farmer go. That simple. Bank it.
-
JFF don't play, Pettine and Farmer go. That simple. Bank it.
JFF don't play, Pettine and Farmer go. That simple. Bank it.
really? c'mon man.
do we have to make a bet on this?
-
Fucking drunk women and all the bad shit they do
yeah you know when the neighbors call when shit is getting broke in your house and people are screaming and the guy comes out with a knife wound in his gut and the woman say 'he assaulted me' with no evidence whatsoever.....yet they arrest the man and throw him into the 'pigpen' jail cell where that knife wound is now fuckable.
yeah you know when the neighbors call when shit is getting broke in your house and people are screaming and the guy comes out with a knife wound in his gut and the woman say 'he assaulted me' with no evidence whatsoever.....yet they arrest the man and throw him into the 'pigpen' jail cell where that knife wound is now fuckable.
And there is always some dude that wants to piss on somebody.....why is there always someone wanting to piss in jail?
-
Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
@douche-nozzle said:
... one more attempt at being the first elite black QB.
Warren Moon was not elite? Better call the HOF...
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons.
Me, too. Simply did not see his "game". But it appears he has one now that is hard to miss.
-
@douche-nozzle said:
No.....I was referring to Vick's lauded travels. He was an amazing athlete who couldn't play the QB position but was hyped due to his heritage. Then he commits atrocities and goes to jail and is then mentored by the NFL (Tony Dungee) to bring him back for one more attempt at being the first elite black QB. Then he is kept around when he is absolute garbage.
Sad but true.
As far as the others you mention, you can see they did the same thing with Kaepernick, and it's waaaay too early to tell with Winston and Newton who are probably the best of the bunch.
The First Elite Black QB IMO was Warren Moon. And then you had Steve "air" McNair.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Because the coach is the face of the team.
Not the general manager, not the owner and not the president. Tony Grossi has been anti Johnny since before he came to Cleveland.
WSS
Because the coach is the face of the team.
Not the general manager, not the owner and not the president. Tony Grossi has been anti Johnny since before he came to Cleveland.
WSS
gee, i wonder why. Maybe he did better investigative work on the kid than our owner and gm did because i guarantee you this, his alcoholism did not begin once he was drafted by the browns...
-
I normally loathe reading Tony Grossi, but at least he's asking the same question I am.
Where in the hell was Farmer, Haslam, or even Scheiner Monday afternoon while the HC is being grilled about JM?
Let's face it, Pettine isn't the guy responsible for bringing the circus to town.
Great read. . .
http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=50661
Couldn't agree more. This is the GM and an owner issue. The problem is neither Haslam or Farmer want to answer the real question which is, "you used a first round draft pick on a guy who doesn't contribute on the field and is a constant headache to the organization, where do you go from here". Also there would probably be a couple of "Ray do you feel that your absence due to suspension has hampered the teams decision making", "Ray do you feel between the Josh Gordon issue, Justin Gilbert's driving incident and the off the field distractions of Johnny Manziel, that there isn't organizational control" and "Jimmy we are two seasons into the Pettine/Farmer era and it appears that the results are eerily similar to previous seasons". Neither likes to answer hard questions and they hung Pettine out to dry.
Couldn't agree more. This is the GM and an owner issue. The problem is neither Haslam or Farmer want to answer the real question which is, "you used a first round draft pick on a guy who doesn't contribute on the field and is a constant headache to the organization, where do you go from here". Also there would probably be a couple of "Ray do you feel that your absence due to suspension has hampered the teams decision making", "Ray do you feel between the Josh Gordon issue, Justin Gilbert's driving incident and the off the field distractions of Johnny Manziel, that there isn't organizational control" and "Jimmy we are two seasons into the Pettine/Farmer era and it appears that the results are eerily similar to previous seasons". Neither likes to answer hard questions and they hung Pettine out to dry.
you gotta luv it, here is a kid in gilbert who our gm recommended and now all he does is stand in the endzone and watch footballs fly over his head...wonderful, just wonderful.
-
Tell josh's boy with his same hair style to get rid of those Weeden eyeball looks. Not in Cleveland please.. Manziel for some reason is in the hands of the league. None of our FO can say anything & Coach Pet is their to talk Game prep about players. If the NFL only goes by video & Police Report only. JM did not Hit his women in the head. Will they believe a drunk women, now that's a whole different story..
Tell josh's boy with his same hair style to get rid of those Weeden eyeball looks. Not in Cleveland please.. Manziel for some reason is in the hands of the league. None of our FO can say anything & Coach Pet is their to talk Game prep about players. If the NFL only goes by video & Police Report only. JM did not Hit his women in the head. Will they believe a drunk women, now that's a whole different story..
what the fuck is he hanging around a drunk woman in the first place...after rehab...the kid learned fucking nothing...he's a fucking dope...
-
Tell josh's boy with his same hair style to get rid of those Weeden eyeball looks. Not in Cleveland please.. Manziel for some reason is in the hands of the league. None of our FO can say anything & Coach Pet is their to talk Game prep about players. If the NFL only goes by video & Police Report only. JM did not Hit his women in the head. Will they believe a drunk women, now that's a whole different story..
what the fuck is he hanging around a drunk woman in the first place...after rehab...the kid learned fucking nothing...he's a fucking dope...
-
Browns52--Its called self pitty than depression. After the high of Titians Win, Josh goes back to starter. If you were 21 most would fall back on their bad habits in depression. She is it. Image how Josh feels trying to help the Kid. One day, & I hope the kid sees it but love does some crazy stuff. Krugers right, She is not right for him but JM must figure that one out. They don't babysit in this league and I do see articles that JM is still seeking help from the right people again that's a positive for now.
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Who was drunk in this situation and who wasn't?
Who was drunk in this situation and who wasn't?
if it was her, that is still not good for chonnie. One thing rehab should have taught him, was not only can he not drink anymore, but he cannot hang around drunks or go back to places, i.e. bars etc, that he once used to hang out at.
if it was her, that is still not good for chonnie. One thing rehab should have taught him, was not only can he not drink anymore, but he cannot hang around drunks or go back to places, i.e. bars etc, that he once used to hang out at.
No doubt. I've said that repeatedly. Just saying she has pretty much no credibility here.
-
Because the coach is the face of the team.
Not the general manager, not the owner and not the president. Tony Grossi has been anti Johnny since before he came to Cleveland.
WSS
gee, i wonder why. Maybe he did better investigative work on the kid than our owner and gm did because i guarantee you this, his alcoholism did not begin once he was drafted by the browns...
gee, i wonder why. Maybe he did better investigative work on the kid than our owner and gm did because i guarantee you this, his alcoholism did not begin once he was drafted by the browns...
I sincerely doubt that a Cleveland beat writer did more pre-draft investigation of a prospect than an NFL franchise did. C'mon with that nonsense.
-
gee, i wonder why. Maybe he did better investigative work on the kid than our owner and gm did because i guarantee you this, his alcoholism did not begin once he was drafted by the browns...
I sincerely doubt that a Cleveland beat writer did more pre-draft investigation of a prospect than an NFL franchise did. C'mon with that nonsense.
I sincerely doubt that a Cleveland beat writer did more pre-draft investigation of a prospect than an NFL franchise did. C'mon with that nonsense.
It doesn't seem that Grossi knows his ass from a hole in the ground about anything else.
WSS
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login