Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Winston, yes, way to early. But Newton has proven his capability as an NFL QB. Not superstardom yet. Needs more success in postseason...but he seems to on his way. I would take him now.
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons. NFL defenses appeared to had caught up with him and his reads were just.. slow.
However his footwork has been much more consistent, he's been more decisive and has become a better leader for his team. He may very well raise his ceiling more throughout the course of this season and beyond.
@douche-nozzle said:
... one more attempt at being the first elite black QB.
Warren Moon was not elite? Better call the HOF...
I was harsh on Newton the last couple seasons.
Me, too. Simply did not see his "game". But it appears he has one now that is hard to miss.
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@douche-nozzle said:
No.....I was referring to Vick's lauded travels. He was an amazing athlete who couldn't play the QB position but was hyped due to his heritage. Then he commits atrocities and goes to jail and is then mentored by the NFL (Tony Dungee) to bring him back for one more attempt at being the first elite black QB. Then he is kept around when he is absolute garbage.
Sad but true.
As far as the others you mention, you can see they did the same thing with Kaepernick, and it's waaaay too early to tell with Winston and Newton who are probably the best of the bunch.
The First Elite Black QB IMO was Warren Moon. And then you had Steve "air" McNair.
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Because the coach is the face of the team.
Not the general manager, not the owner and not the president. Tony Grossi has been anti Johnny since before he came to Cleveland.
WSS
Because the coach is the face of the team.
Not the general manager, not the owner and not the president. Tony Grossi has been anti Johnny since before he came to Cleveland.
WSS
gee, i wonder why. Maybe he did better investigative work on the kid than our owner and gm did because i guarantee you this, his alcoholism did not begin once he was drafted by the browns...
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I normally loathe reading Tony Grossi, but at least he's asking the same question I am.
Where in the hell was Farmer, Haslam, or even Scheiner Monday afternoon while the HC is being grilled about JM?
Let's face it, Pettine isn't the guy responsible for bringing the circus to town.
Great read. . .
http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=50661
Couldn't agree more. This is the GM and an owner issue. The problem is neither Haslam or Farmer want to answer the real question which is, "you used a first round draft pick on a guy who doesn't contribute on the field and is a constant headache to the organization, where do you go from here". Also there would probably be a couple of "Ray do you feel that your absence due to suspension has hampered the teams decision making", "Ray do you feel between the Josh Gordon issue, Justin Gilbert's driving incident and the off the field distractions of Johnny Manziel, that there isn't organizational control" and "Jimmy we are two seasons into the Pettine/Farmer era and it appears that the results are eerily similar to previous seasons". Neither likes to answer hard questions and they hung Pettine out to dry.
Couldn't agree more. This is the GM and an owner issue. The problem is neither Haslam or Farmer want to answer the real question which is, "you used a first round draft pick on a guy who doesn't contribute on the field and is a constant headache to the organization, where do you go from here". Also there would probably be a couple of "Ray do you feel that your absence due to suspension has hampered the teams decision making", "Ray do you feel between the Josh Gordon issue, Justin Gilbert's driving incident and the off the field distractions of Johnny Manziel, that there isn't organizational control" and "Jimmy we are two seasons into the Pettine/Farmer era and it appears that the results are eerily similar to previous seasons". Neither likes to answer hard questions and they hung Pettine out to dry.
you gotta luv it, here is a kid in gilbert who our gm recommended and now all he does is stand in the endzone and watch footballs fly over his head...wonderful, just wonderful.
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Tell josh's boy with his same hair style to get rid of those Weeden eyeball looks. Not in Cleveland please.. Manziel for some reason is in the hands of the league. None of our FO can say anything & Coach Pet is their to talk Game prep about players. If the NFL only goes by video & Police Report only. JM did not Hit his women in the head. Will they believe a drunk women, now that's a whole different story..
Tell josh's boy with his same hair style to get rid of those Weeden eyeball looks. Not in Cleveland please.. Manziel for some reason is in the hands of the league. None of our FO can say anything & Coach Pet is their to talk Game prep about players. If the NFL only goes by video & Police Report only. JM did not Hit his women in the head. Will they believe a drunk women, now that's a whole different story..
what the fuck is he hanging around a drunk woman in the first place...after rehab...the kid learned fucking nothing...he's a fucking dope...
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Tell josh's boy with his same hair style to get rid of those Weeden eyeball looks. Not in Cleveland please.. Manziel for some reason is in the hands of the league. None of our FO can say anything & Coach Pet is their to talk Game prep about players. If the NFL only goes by video & Police Report only. JM did not Hit his women in the head. Will they believe a drunk women, now that's a whole different story..
what the fuck is he hanging around a drunk woman in the first place...after rehab...the kid learned fucking nothing...he's a fucking dope...
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Browns52--Its called self pitty than depression. After the high of Titians Win, Josh goes back to starter. If you were 21 most would fall back on their bad habits in depression. She is it. Image how Josh feels trying to help the Kid. One day, & I hope the kid sees it but love does some crazy stuff. Krugers right, She is not right for him but JM must figure that one out. They don't babysit in this league and I do see articles that JM is still seeking help from the right people again that's a positive for now.
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Who was drunk in this situation and who wasn't?
Who was drunk in this situation and who wasn't?
if it was her, that is still not good for chonnie. One thing rehab should have taught him, was not only can he not drink anymore, but he cannot hang around drunks or go back to places, i.e. bars etc, that he once used to hang out at.
if it was her, that is still not good for chonnie. One thing rehab should have taught him, was not only can he not drink anymore, but he cannot hang around drunks or go back to places, i.e. bars etc, that he once used to hang out at.
No doubt. I've said that repeatedly. Just saying she has pretty much no credibility here.
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Because the coach is the face of the team.
Not the general manager, not the owner and not the president. Tony Grossi has been anti Johnny since before he came to Cleveland.
WSS
gee, i wonder why. Maybe he did better investigative work on the kid than our owner and gm did because i guarantee you this, his alcoholism did not begin once he was drafted by the browns...
gee, i wonder why. Maybe he did better investigative work on the kid than our owner and gm did because i guarantee you this, his alcoholism did not begin once he was drafted by the browns...
I sincerely doubt that a Cleveland beat writer did more pre-draft investigation of a prospect than an NFL franchise did. C'mon with that nonsense.
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gee, i wonder why. Maybe he did better investigative work on the kid than our owner and gm did because i guarantee you this, his alcoholism did not begin once he was drafted by the browns...
I sincerely doubt that a Cleveland beat writer did more pre-draft investigation of a prospect than an NFL franchise did. C'mon with that nonsense.
I sincerely doubt that a Cleveland beat writer did more pre-draft investigation of a prospect than an NFL franchise did. C'mon with that nonsense.
It doesn't seem that Grossi knows his ass from a hole in the ground about anything else.
WSS
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During the deflategate shit storm, you saw more of Kraft than Bill.There's no apology needed for the situation. He's the head coach and he's the guy you ask no matter what's going on with the team. I would say instead of getting your panties in a bunch about this he might want to be the apologist for the highest paid defense in the league.
WSS
A competent FO would show a little more unity than what's coming out of Berea.
At least my panties are dry, cause I'm not a charter member of the JM knob riding club.
During the deflategate shit storm, you saw more of Kraft than Bill.
A competent FO would show a little more unity than what's coming out of Berea.
At least my panties are dry, cause I'm not a charter member of the JM knob riding club.
1 because Bill Belichick is more important than Bob Kraft.
2 unity? On this non-issue that nobody cares about except some cry babies?
3 call it what you will.
You should probably check those supposedly dry panties though they might be wet from all the tears you are shedding over this non issue.
And I ain't ashamed. I don't hate any Cleveland Brown unless they really really give me a reason.
WSS
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I know this has been and still is being said, HE IS NOT OUR STARTER so who gives a fuk, Why is he a distraction? Don't let it be one. If he was not a qb it would not be a distraction.
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What the hell's the difference? Until the losses can be laid at the feet of Josh McCown why would you make a switch?
(and that's coming from one of Johnny's fans, me.)
WSS
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@douche-nozzle said:
No.....I was referring to Vick's lauded travels. He was an amazing athlete who couldn't play the QB position but was hyped due to his heritage. Then he commits atrocities and goes to jail and is then mentored by the NFL (Tony Dungee) to bring him back for one more attempt at being the first elite black QB. Then he is kept around when he is absolute garbage.
Sad but true.
As far as the others you mention, you can see they did the same thing with Kaepernick, and it's waaaay too early to tell with Winston and Newton who are probably the best of the bunch.
The First Elite Black QB IMO was Warren Moon. And then you had Steve "air" McNair.
The First Elite Black QB IMO was Warren Moon. And then you had Steve "air" McNair.
Plus a number of pretty darn good ones through the years.....Williams, Cunningham, Evans, etc....
Truth is, that back in the day, almost all of the potential black QB's ended up at WR, RB, CB, etc...
FYI.....Brownies had a black dentist playing for us in the 70's.....Dr. David Mays.....remember him well......
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The First Elite Black QB IMO was Warren Moon. And then you had Steve "air" McNair.
Plus a number of pretty darn good ones through the years.....Williams, Cunningham, Evans, etc....
Truth is, that back in the day, almost all of the potential black QB's ended up at WR, RB, CB, etc...
FYI.....Brownies had a black dentist playing for us in the 70's.....Dr. David Mays.....remember him well......
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Johnny Got Angry, Johnny Got Mad. Johnny Gave her the biggest lecture she ever had. He was a brave man, he was a cave man. Johnny showed her that he really, really cared.
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