You can't defend this circus anymore.
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Look I'm not on the fire Pettine bandwagon, but it's fair criticism to say a few things about him.
- A TON of the penalties were discipline related. There's a decent level of coaching responsibility for that.
-He makes some head scratching decisions with timeouts and late game situations that just aren't good.
it's all coach releated...I think every olineman was called for a false start...wtf...are you kidding me... oh wait, that was the refs fault for calling those penalties . right?
it's all coach releated...I think every olineman was called for a false start...wtf...are you kidding me... oh wait, that was the refs fault for calling those penalties . right?
Coaches relay discipline in players to lessen discipline related plays like false starts, that's literally coaching 101. Might be on the O-line coach some too and obviously the players but coaches bear responsibility for that.
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Coaches under pettine are sub par. Position coaches instill the basics not pettine
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Am I the only one who thinked the defense looked best this week.
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They played better.
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The greatest defensive effort I've seen from the Browns in recent years was last year vs. the Colts. We found a fucking way to lose that game too.
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It's like we get excited in this town for exactly 2-3 weeks a year selling our hopes and dreams on a hopeful season, but around this team each year the dreams come crashing down like a tons of bricks on our heads. Then we have to wait another 50 weeks and start the very short cycle over again.
Doesn't matter how we lose the season, whether it by our defense, or offense, or QB or WRs, or whatever, this team WILL create a losing atmoshere, some how some way.
LOL at this pathetic franchise, 2-3 weeks a year, thats all we get.
Cleveland BTFO.
what really gripes me and you are right, it seems like the season is over by week 6 but we were 7-4 last yr after 11 games and lost the last 5. We now lost 5 out of the first 7 and really, i have a hard time seeing this circus winning another game or two. We are back to a complete downward spiral that could see more of the same shit that usually happens. That being the season is over after the first few weeks. what the fuck happened. i truly believe pettine is very close to being on the hot seat...If we lose the rest of the games, which is quite possible, i believe he is toast..
We are back to a complete downward spiral that could see more of the same shit that usually happens. That being the season is over after the first few weeks. what the fuck happened.
What the fuck happened:
- constant shuffling of defensive players, no continuity
- somehow our "blue chip" offensive line filled with #1 & #2 picks cannot run block
- ridiculous amount of penalties
- inability to win at home
- poor drafting
- can't stop anybody last 2 minutes of the half or 4th quarter
I'm sure there's more....it's almost impossible to be this bad for so long, and I was truly optimistic about this season.
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I swear on a lot of our defensive plays second half we weren't lined up in time, everyone pointing to each other as the ball is snapped
I swear on a lot of our defensive plays second half we weren't lined up in time, everyone pointing to each other as the ball is snapped
They were playing the "Chineese Fire Drill" defense. you didn't see the Rams doing that- ONeil is so into situational defense- he out thinks himself. Running players in and out of the game.
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Dude, are you recovering from hallucinogenic drugs? "What happens to this franchise if we fie Pettine?" For fuck's sake dude, this is a 4 - 12 team. D'uh..... NOTHING bad can happen when you are already a shit team. Seriously, the mental masturbation and idiot fiction that goes on in the minds of some fans is bizarre.
Are you actually under the belief that the Browns are a work in progress; that a system is being built; that there is some foundation that we must allow to solidify?
Forrest, listen up, it doesn't take years for a team to come out and be good at the basics, blocking, tackling, catching, passing, and not drawing penalties. A coach needs ONE (1) preseason to take care of that basic bullshit. Pettine is Romeo Crennell.
When you have a winner.............. THEN.... there is impact in firing him. But when you have shit... and by all measures, Pettine IS shit..... you can't lose by making a change. There is absolutely no downside to firing this asshole.
Frankly- this was a total shit show today Tom. Three holding penalties and a illegal proceedure on ONE drive? Pettine should have reamed the losers a good one when they came off the field.
Oh wait, Urban Meyer
I'll take Jim Tressell. My prediction- at this rate, we're going to be lucky to win two more games. The team has regressed in everty concievable way.
Why did we lose today? As I said earlier- not only was "The Curse" in attendance- the Browns wore those brown pants- they're bad luck- they almost always lose when they wear them. So burn the damn things .
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I want a guy that is FIRE AND BRIMSTONE.
Since 1999 we have had 1 pussy after another
Get a guy that breathes fire for once
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"Whatever, you'll pay to go see it. Fuck you!"
-The Cleveland Browns
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Who are you going to hire to replace him?
The guy I wanted 100% was Bengals DC Mike Zimmer and we interviewed him but turned him down for Chud. Now he's having a decent season in Minnesota. I wanted Chip Kelly as well but Haskam couldn't swing it. I also wanted Cowher but he's not coming back. Gruden got too comfy in the booth and probably doesn't have the same fire in his belly.
Kevin Sumlin, Bob Stoops, Tom Herman, and Greg Roman all come to mind...
Trust me we do not want Kevin Sumlin.The guy I wanted 100% was Bengals DC Mike Zimmer and we interviewed him but turned him down for Chud. Now he's having a decent season in Minnesota. I wanted Chip Kelly as well but Haskam couldn't swing it. I also wanted Cowher but he's not coming back. Gruden got too comfy in the booth and probably doesn't have the same fire in his belly.
Kevin Sumlin, Bob Stoops, Tom Herman, and Greg Roman all come to mind...
Saban on the other hand constantly talks down to Bama fans like he's really annoyed at his position there. He also adores the Browns and their fans.
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After today I have to stop supporting Pettine... This team has some serious weaknesses but with a good staff I guarantee they would be playing much better. This team has worlds more talent than the 99 team and yet barely plays much better. After watching Pettine bend over willingly as the refs call tick-tack penalties and not even have the balls to let the refs know how you feel. Then on the last turnover, to not even challenge the call or say anything about the facemask to mccown is just pussy... I swear when they showed Petting I thought he was going to cry. The team needs a coach who is willing to stand up for the them. All those players hanging their heads in the 3rd quarter is also an embarrassment... this is a reflection of their head coach.
On the 15 yard TD run by Gurley, Pettine threw his headset and was in the ear of the blind ref. Hell Ray Charles could've seen the hold on that play.
Amen on Sumlin, brother war.... but you can't trust Saban.
On the 15 yard TD run by Gurley, Pettine threw his headset and was in the ear of the blind ref. Hell Ray Charles could've seen the hold on that play.
Doesn't fit Walter's narrative so he ignored your post....
Good Idea... Merged...
Just needs new title now... "The Game 7 Piss & Moan Collection"
Am I the only one who thinked the defense looked best this week.
Me, three... until they wore down in Q4 anyway...
I'll take Jim Tressell.
Not ready to fold on Pet yet, but if I do...
Shocked it took this long for someone to remember Jim is sitting around Akron somewhere...
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Tressel is the president of Youngstown State, I believe. Both Pelini's coach there which is crazy.
What do you mean, you can't trust Saban? He's not going to come for two years and bolt for some other college job. He's 62. IF he took a job which there's about a 1% chance of happening, it would certainly be his last stop. That said, he is in phenomenal mental and physical shape for 62 so I doubt he has anything less than 4-5 years left in him, and even that is just the floor.
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Why did the Bills let Doug Marrone go so easy last year? The Bills are worse now and they have more talent
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Marrone still on Bills payroll for like 7 mill. Than coaching D @ jags (more$$) Got to be rolling over that Rex knows D. Pettine gets the bad apple on the tree with O'neil & here we are.. If I was Marrone I would be doing cartwheels & backflips with jags cheerleaders (for the xtra millions) than get them a drank at the pool... Who's your daddy Rex?
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I honestly can't defend this train wreck anymore. I have no clue what the solution is, but my god...this is just awful. It's difficult to put the blame on Pettine for this one because he doesn't fumble the ball, but I guess he has to be somewhat responsible for all of the penalties. And the thing is, what could Manziel do differently? Yeah he's more mobile, but he fumbles as much as anyone, right? Wouldn't he just get baptised by this amazing defensive front of the Rams? He doesn't have the patience to stay in the pocket, so would he have gone 26-32 for 270 yards? I guess the one argument is that Johnny goes for the kill, but I'm not so sure he would've done any better. I have no answers.
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We are back to a complete downward spiral that could see more of the same shit that usually happens. That being the season is over after the first few weeks. what the fuck happened.
What the fuck happened:
- constant shuffling of defensive players, no continuity
- somehow our "blue chip" offensive line filled with #1 & #2 picks cannot run block
- ridiculous amount of penalties
- inability to win at home
- poor drafting
- can't stop anybody last 2 minutes of the half or 4th quarter
I'm sure there's more....it's almost impossible to be this bad for so long, and I was truly optimistic about this season.
What the fuck happened:
- constant shuffling of defensive players, no continuity
- somehow our "blue chip" offensive line filled with #1 & #2 picks cannot run block
- ridiculous amount of penalties
- inability to win at home
- poor drafting
- can't stop anybody last 2 minutes of the half or 4th quarter
I'm sure there's more....it's almost impossible to be this bad for so long, and I was truly optimistic about this season.
i understand, but when we were 7-4 last yr , we were running the ball, playing decent d, etc. etc. I think maybe the hoyer vs manziel thing may have contributed to the bad turnaround. We lost mack and the running game went down the tubes. Now mack looks like the worse olineman out of all of them, and thats bad because the others suck big time. I guess thomas is playing ok. I look at the poor drafting you said and 1 you missed. Poor fa pickups...hartline and bowe. wtf. Guess it points to our gm and probably the owner.
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What the fuck happened:
- constant shuffling of defensive players, no continuity
- somehow our "blue chip" offensive line filled with #1 & #2 picks cannot run block
- ridiculous amount of penalties
- inability to win at home
- poor drafting
- can't stop anybody last 2 minutes of the half or 4th quarter
I'm sure there's more....it's almost impossible to be this bad for so long, and I was truly optimistic about this season.
i understand, but when we were 7-4 last yr , we were running the ball, playing decent d, etc. etc. I think maybe the hoyer vs manziel thing may have contributed to the bad turnaround. We lost mack and the running game went down the tubes. Now mack looks like the worse olineman out of all of them, and thats bad because the others suck big time. I guess thomas is playing ok. I look at the poor drafting you said and 1 you missed. Poor fa pickups...hartline and bowe. wtf. Guess it points to our gm and probably the owner.
i understand, but when we were 7-4 last yr , we were running the ball, playing decent d, etc. etc. I think maybe the hoyer vs manziel thing may have contributed to the bad turnaround. We lost mack and the running game went down the tubes. Now mack looks like the worse olineman out of all of them (1), and thats bad because the others suck big time (2). I guess thomas is playing ok. I look at the poor drafting you said and 1 you missed. Poor fa pickups...hartline and bowe. wtf. Guess it points to our gm and probably the owner.
On (1) that's correct.
But (2) is incorrect, Schwartz is probably having his best year ever while BItonio has improved over his solid rookie year - Greco is pretty solid too.The rams D-line is one of the best in the business and we did OK I think. The 4 fumbles and excessive penalties are the biggest reasons we couldn't move on offense.
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