Dramatic Tablet lends credence to Jesus' existence
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- An author and Bible expert who has spent a great deal of time analyzing recent archaeological discoveries said that he has been “blown away” by an ancient tablet that was discovered back in 2000 — one that has caused an “earthquake” in the biblical studies field.
“The one [find] that really blew me away was the Gabriel Revelation … a first century stone tablet that was discovered around the year 2000 on the other side of the Jordan River,” author Robert J. Hutchinson toldThe Church Boys podcast.
Hutchinson, who describes this find among many others in his new book, “Searching for Jesus: New Discoveries in the Quest for Jesus of Nazareth — and How They Confirm the Gospel Accounts,” said that the tablet, which is dated to the first century B.C., is written in Hebrew and mentions the angel Gabriel.
“[it] speaks about … a messiah who would suffer, die and perhaps even rise again. This has just been kind of an earthquake,” Hutchinson said. “The implications of it haven’t really filtered down to ordinary scholars, and seminaries and so on — and even, of course, into the media.”
Listen to him explain below (starts at the 38:00 mark):
The author said that the discovery, which has attracted attention inside biblical and archaeological circles, is notable due to the fact that it “basically shows … that there were Jews in Jesus’ time who were expecting a suffering messiah.”
Critics have spent a century questioning the New Testament narrative, Hutchinson said, based on the claim that the story surrounding Jesus’ divinity and the reason for his crucifixion were conjured up after the fact — something that he believes the tablet dismisses.
Those opposed to the narrative in the gospels said that the Jews were expecting a conquering hero who would reestablish the Davidic kingdom and not a savior who would suffer, die and rise again, the author maintains.
“This theme of a suffering messiah wasn’t just made up by the Christian community as an apologetic device after the fact to explain the scandal that Jesus was crucified,” he said. “For literally a century scholars have said that. It was one of the pillars for questioning the reliability of the New Testament.”
Much of the Gabriel Revelation is indiscernible, though a portion of it was translated into English by the Shalom Hartman Institute, among others. And as the Associated Press reported in 2013, scholars continue to debate its meaning.
The stone first emerged in 2008 in media when Bible scholar Israel Knohl posited that a line read “in three days you shall live.”
What is agreed on, however, is that the tablet displays an apocalyptic vision of an attack on Jerusalem in which God arrives on chariots to defend the city, the AP reported.
Hutchinson also detailed some of the other findings that he believes corroborate the biblical narrative, explaining that he believes much of the criticism of the Bible is built on defunct “presuppositions of liberal biblical scholarship.”
Today, he believes that the tides have turned even among skeptical scholars, whom he focuses most on in “Search for Jesus.”
The Gabriel Stone is displayed at an exhibition at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem, Tuesday, April 30, 2013. An ancient stone with mysterious Hebrew writing and featuring the archangel Gabriel is being displayed in Israel, even as scholars continue to argue about what the inscription means. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)
“Many of the fundamental assumptions that have guided New Testament research over 100 or 150 years were being challenged by the skeptical scholars themselves,” he said of more recent dynamics. “Many of the concepts and ideas and the assumptions that they had held a century ago [were] no longer held by the top scholars and yet a lot of this stuff hadn’t filtered down to the media.”
Critiques of the Bible came from discoveries that were made by critical scholars a century ago, Hutchinson posited, arguing that these individuals then made unproven assumptions about those finds, which were perpetuated for decades.
“I’m not really writing about conservative Christians who try to defend Bible,” he said. “Skeptical secular experts have made discoveries that make them question some of these older ideas and assumptions about who Jesus was.”
While he said that the questioning is leading to a confirmation of Jesus’ overall biblical portrait, he said that not everyone agrees that the Bible is historically accurate. Still, he believes that the discoveries continue to support the overall narrative and descriptions.
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Posted Today, 11:05 AM
The bible paints two pictures of the Messiah. One is of a suffering servant taking upon Himself the sins of the people. The other picture the bible paints is of the Messiah being a conquering king. The answer to how he can be both is He comes twice. He came first as the suffering servant and will return king of kings. OldBrownsFan
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Oh no, here comes another deleted thread!
Seems people aren't so fussed about a supposedly revelatory tablet that proves the bible but took 15 years to gain awareness.
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Maybe we can keep the freaks from degrading such a wonderful, uplifting post. Thanks Cal.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Kunis 3:69 - Find other hot chicks and take pictures
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buncha leftist commies running around here for sure. This is exactly the same kind of liberal PC censorship that Obamao has done to this country. Down with the man!!
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Maybe we can keep the freaks from degrading such a wonderful, uplifting post. Thanks Cal.
Maybe we can keep the freaks from degrading such a wonderful, uplifting post. Thanks Cal.
Degrading the post? What the hell are you babbling on about? I did no such thing. All I did was offer a counterpoint to Cal's topic, and I was neither rude nor discourteous in going about it. I have no clue why my responses were deleted, but I PM'd WSS about it and he will inform me in due course.
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I got news for you jblow, they can delete any post they feel like, without a reason.
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I got news for you jblow, they can delete any post they feel like, without a reason.
I got news for you jblow, they can delete any post they feel like, without a reason.
This is their board, so they can do as they please. I'll reserve my judgment until I get a response back from Steve.
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I was reading the trash you leftist atheistic trolls called "posts" on the earlier thread
and it was clear you have NOTHING to add to the discussion.
and thanks to whoever pulled the crap responses also....
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Oh no, here comes another deleted thread!
Seems people aren't so fussed about a supposedly revelatory tablet that proves the bible but took 15 years to gain awareness.
Oh no, here comes another deleted thread!
Seems people aren't so fussed about a supposedly revelatory tablet that proves the bible but took 15 years to gain awareness.
yea I dont get it....
I thought you were supposed to be too busy earning your 6 figures - to be here??
going to settle for the guarentee instead?
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I got news for you jblow, they can delete any post they feel like, without a reason.
This is their board, so they can do as they please. I'll reserve my judgment until I get a response back from Steve.
The only boards I have any jurisdiction over whatsoever is this one as moderator and my own movie page.This is their board, so they can do as they please. I'll reserve my judgment until I get a response back from Steve.
The actual administrators can do whatever they want wherever they want, but I don't think they deleted anything here. The only shit I mess with is like Walter White's death threats and Larry Fines suck my balls posts. And I think the administrators booted him.
(I can't even boot people, all I can do is ask aministration to do it which they may or may not)
I've been anti-censorship every since I've started here. Figure if somebody doesn't like something, don't read it.
If something got deleted I'm betting it was just a glitch. Shit happens. Or... The Lord Himself sent an angel from heaven to do it over which I have no control.
WSS
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I was reading the trash you leftist atheistic trolls called "posts" on the earlier thread
and it was clear you have NOTHING to add to the discussion.
and thanks to whoever pulled the crap responses also....
I was reading the trash you leftist atheistic trolls called "posts" on the earlier thread
and it was clear you have NOTHING to add to the discussion.
and thanks to whoever pulled the crap responses also....
I fail to see how shape shifting into Mila Kunis is irrelevant in this discussion.
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I was reading the trash you leftist atheistic trolls called "posts" on the earlier thread
and it was clear you have NOTHING to add to the discussion.
and thanks to whoever pulled the crap responses also....
I fail to see how shape shifting into Mila Kunis is irrelevant in this discussion.
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I was reading the trash you leftist atheistic trolls called "posts" on the earlier thread
and it was clear you have NOTHING to add to the discussion.
and thanks to whoever pulled the crap responses also....
I was reading the trash you leftist atheistic trolls called "posts" on the earlier thread
and it was clear you have NOTHING to add to the discussion.
and thanks to whoever pulled the crap responses also....
ok you leftist Stalinist monkey, can I censor much?
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Steve is right. He is 1000x better than the old Political Board moderator
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gee what part of legitimate archeological sciences (observed, tested) has anything to do with
copy and paste google images? yea I dont know either....
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I was reading the trash you leftist atheistic trolls called "posts" on the earlier thread
and it was clear you have NOTHING to add to the discussion.
and thanks to whoever pulled the crap responses also....
I was reading the trash you leftist atheistic trolls called "posts" on the earlier thread
and it was clear you have NOTHING to add to the discussion.
and thanks to whoever pulled the crap responses also....
Atheistic troll? Preposterous. As I recall, the gist of Cal's post is that some tablet found in Jordan mentions dying and resurrection after three days, without mentioning Jesus by name at all I might add, and that this somehow "proves" that Jesus is real and that he really existed. To which I replied along the lines of that if we are using circumstantial archeological "evidence" to validate the divinity of a religious figure or the beliefs of a particular religion, that we can also lend creadance to other religions such as Islam, Scientology or Mormanism, since there is also ample archeological evidence of their religious figureheads existing as well.
Now it is regrettable that you seem to be aghast at the very thought of someone being critical in their critique of the religion that, I assume, you follow, but unfortunately for you, that is how rational and logical thinking goes sometimes. It's not trolling, it is using one's brain.
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I made a point before it got deleted that it's pretty much guaranteed Jesus was a real person (albeit likely wasn't called anything close to jesus) - but that most people at this time were illiterate and lacking intellect (Like people in east cleveland, detroit, chicago) - but regardless he gained quite an exponentially growing following and managed to blah blah blah.
I was more interested in the discussion after that.
Otherwise people have talked about a messiah that would come, die, rise again forever. Only Christians believe that Jesus was that guy, Islam kinda does but don't believe he was crucified, Jews are still waiting for that guy.
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