Kasich is likely done
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For all the faults of the republican party having so many running for president at least it seems like more of a democratic process over the communist type coronation the dems have given to Hillary without having much competition in the race. The socialist Sanders has done better than expected but no serious person gives him any chance of winning. The small field running against Clinton has already dwindled by two dropping out already. The only hope any competition had against Hillary was to perform well in the debates and Debbie Wasserman Schultze has seen to it that there were only a limited amount of debates to help Clinton.
I believe Biden not running signals there will be no indictments from the Obama justice dept against Clinton for the emails just like no criminal charges were brought against the IRS who clearly discriminated against conservative groups.
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I think the media is grossly underrating Sanders. He owns the 18-30 crowd - which is now the biggest voter block in the country if they turn out.
The thing about the Sanders supporters is I think many aren't being polled and many will turn out. I think it's going to be a lot closer than the Hillary land slide the media is predicting (and wants)
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I think you're probably right. Too bad. I like John Kasich. I don't much care for Rand Paul and slightly like chris Christie.
Don't care about Bobby Jindal or Pataky orJeb Bush, and I can't stand Lindsey Graham.
The evangelistic community will give Iowa to Dr Carson but then he's on his own.
WSS
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For all the faults of the republican party having so many running for president at least it seems like more of a democratic process over the communist type coronation the dems have given to Hillary without having much competition in the race. The socialist Sanders has done better than expected but no serious person gives him any chance of winning. The small field running against Clinton has already dwindled by two dropping out already. The only hope any competition had against Hillary was to perform well in the debates and Debbie Wasserman Schultze has seen to it that there were only a limited amount of debates to help Clinton.
I believe Biden not running signals there will be no indictments from the Obama justice dept against Clinton for the emails just like no criminal charges were brought against the IRS who clearly discriminated against conservative groups.
For all the faults of the republican party having so many running for president at least it seems like more of a democratic process over the communist type coronation the dems have given to Hillary without having much competition in the race. The socialist Sanders has done better than expected but no serious person gives him any chance of winning. The small field running against Clinton has already dwindled by two dropping out already. The only hope any competition had against Hillary was to perform well in the debates and Debbie Wasserman Schultze has seen to it that there were only a limited amount of debates to help Clinton.
I believe Biden not running signals there will be no indictments from the Obama justice dept against Clinton for the emails just like no criminal charges were brought against the IRS who clearly discriminated against conservative groups.
yes the wh realized best not to throw stones...
which is still giving them too much credit
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I think the media is grossly underrating Sanders. He owns the 18-30 crowd - which is now the biggest voter block in the country if they turn out.
The thing about the Sanders supporters is I think many aren't being polled and many will turn out. I think it's going to be a lot closer than the Hillary land slide the media is predicting (and wants)
I think the media is grossly underrating Sanders. He owns the 18-30 crowd - which is now the biggest voter block in the country if they turn out.
The thing about the Sanders supporters is I think many aren't being polled and many will turn out. I think it's going to be a lot closer than the Hillary land slide the media is predicting (and wants)
I think he is getting a lot more support from the "its not Hillary" crowd also. I don't agree with him on many things, but would pick him over Hillary if I voted in the primaries.
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I'd imagine he appeals to those who don't have or want a job.
WSS
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I'd imagine he appeals to those who don't have or want a job.
WSS
I'd imagine he appeals to those who don't have or want a job.
WSS
and if the people on this board are correct that is 90% of the Democratic party.
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After the debate tonight, some will be out next week I suspect - Kasich and Paul are pretty much guaranteed to be out soon (though I like Paul and think Kasich is a reasonable moderate), Rubio may be a surprise drop out like Walker (he's really shot himself in the foot by saying he doesn't vote, not running for re-election because he "hates" the senate)
Christie and Huckabee are too ignorant to drop out, Bush has too much money to drop out, Fiorina won't be out because she's the new Koch favorite, Trump/Carson/Cruz won't drop out by virtue of being top 3 and having money.
But please for the love of gawd Santorum/Jindal/Graham/Pataki just LEAVE. Nobody will vote for any of them - unfortunately they will stick around because next month's GOP debate will yet again have an "undercard/kid's table" debate. That really needs to end this late into the process....
After the debate tonight, some will be out next week I suspect - Kasich and Paul are pretty much guaranteed to be out soon (though I like Paul and think Kasich is a reasonable moderate), Rubio may be a surprise drop out like Walker (he's really shot himself in the foot by saying he doesn't vote, not running for re-election because he "hates" the senate)
Christie and Huckabee are too ignorant to drop out, Bush has too much money to drop out, Fiorina won't be out because she's the new Koch favorite, Trump/Carson/Cruz won't drop out by virtue of being top 3 and having money.
But please for the love of gawd Santorum/Jindal/Graham/Pataki just LEAVE. Nobody will vote for any of them - unfortunately they will stick around because next month's GOP debate will yet again have an "undercard/kid's table" debate. That really needs to end this late into the process....
I think you're probably right. Too bad. I like John Kasich. I don't much care for Rand Paul and slightly like chris Christie.
Don't care about Bobby Jindal or Pataky orJeb Bush, and I can't stand Lindsey Graham.
The evangelistic community will give Iowa to Dr Carson but then he's on his own.
WSS
Yeah, he had to have known that when he started all that crazy talk about keeping medicare/medicaid/Social Security, not simply throwing out all illegals, and, worst of all, "bipartisanship" - that he was done. That is way too rational line of thinking for the Tea Party hardliners. Moderation is dead I suppose; now when you're choosing candidates, it's all about which side of the cliff you want to blindly jump off of, the far right or the far left.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
The Lord willing, Carson will win it all.
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The Lord willing, Carson will win it all.
The Lord willing, Carson will win it all.
Good point. If Carson doesn't win, that means Jesus didn't want him to
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The Lord willing, Carson will win it all.
Good point. If Carson doesn't win, that means Jesus didn't want him to
Good point. If Carson doesn't win, that means Jesus didn't want him to
etch it in stone, you all read it here first. Good call.
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After the debate tonight, some will be out next week I suspect - Kasich and Paul are pretty much guaranteed to be out soon (though I like Paul and think Kasich is a reasonable moderate), Rubio may be a surprise drop out like Walker (he's really shot himself in the foot by saying he doesn't vote, not running for re-election because he "hates" the senate)
Christie and Huckabee are too ignorant to drop out, Bush has too much money to drop out, Fiorina won't be out because she's the new Koch favorite, Trump/Carson/Cruz won't drop out by virtue of being top 3 and having money.
But please for the love of gawd Santorum/Jindal/Graham/Pataki just LEAVE. Nobody will vote for any of them - unfortunately they will stick around because next month's GOP debate will yet again have an "undercard/kid's table" debate. That really needs to end this late into the process....
I think you're probably right. Too bad. I like John Kasich. I don't much care for Rand Paul and slightly like chris Christie.
Don't care about Bobby Jindal or Pataky orJeb Bush, and I can't stand Lindsey Graham.
The evangelistic community will give Iowa to Dr Carson but then he's on his own.
WSS
Yeah, he had to have known that when he started all that crazy talk about keeping medicare/medicaid/Social Security, not simply throwing out all illegals, and, worst of all, "bipartisanship" - that he was done. That is way too rational line of thinking for the Tea Party hardliners. Moderation is dead I suppose; now when you're choosing candidates, it's all about which side of the cliff you want to blindly jump off of, the far right or the far left.
Yeah, he had to have known that when he started all that crazy talk about keeping medicare/medicaid/Social Security, not simply throwing out all illegals, and, worst of all, "bipartisanship" - that he was done. That is way too rational line of thinking for the Tea Party hardliners. Moderation is dead I suppose; now when you're choosing candidates, it's all about which side of the cliff you want to blindly jump off of, the far right or the far left.
To be fair, Trump is still widely in first place and has suggested we can not only keep medicare+social security, but we can expand both. He said recently everybody has to have health care "no matter what it costs." Also said we have the resources to expand social security with more intelligent spending. Trump is a bipartisan type of moderate on pretty much every issue, except for illegal immigration.
He has a lot of tea party support, which is surprising to me since Trump barely represents any of the tea party ideas, suggesting "everybody deserves health care" is pretty much blasphemy to the them.
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Also, Carson added more cinder blocks to his feet by saying not only does he want to get rid of obamacare, he also wants to get rid of Medicare/Medicaid.
Odd position for a famed Doctor to have, but regardless the guy is a clown and has no chance outside of the crazies in Iowa.
Seems like he's really strong in his faith, but apparently reducing government spending is more important to God than giving health care to those who can't afford it.
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That's probably true for election purposes. The American voters aren't that bright. Given the choice of just plain old free shit that costs the country a huge amount of money, vs free shit that isn't as expensive but might take a little bit of effort on their part...
Talking about replacing very expensive programs with streamlined and more efficient ones is never a winning argument.
WSS
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Also, Carson added more cinder blocks to his feet by saying not only does he want to get rid of obamacare, he also wants to get rid of Medicare/Medicaid.
Odd position for a famed Doctor to have, but regardless the guy is a clown and has no chance outside of the crazies in Iowa.
Seems like he's really strong in his faith, but apparently reducing government spending is more important to God than giving health care to those who can't afford it.
Also, Carson added more cinder blocks to his feet by saying not only does he want to get rid of obamacare, he also wants to get rid of Medicare/Medicaid.
Odd position for a famed Doctor to have, but regardless the guy is a clown and has no chance outside of the crazies in Iowa.
Seems like he's really strong in his faith, but apparently reducing government spending is more important to God than giving health care to those who can't afford it.
The assumptions you're making here are an indication of why 'Murrica is broke and broken and why there is probably not a fix via Federal elections.
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Also, Carson added more cinder blocks to his feet by saying not only does he want to get rid of obamacare, he also wants to get rid of Medicare/Medicaid.
Odd position for a famed Doctor to have, but regardless the guy is a clown and has no chance outside of the crazies in Iowa.
Seems like he's really strong in his faith, but apparently reducing government spending is more important to God than giving health care to those who can't afford it.
The assumptions you're making here are an indication of why 'Murrica is broke and broken and why there is probably not a fix via Federal elections.
The assumptions you're making here are an indication of why 'Murrica is broke and broken and why there is probably not a fix via Federal elections.
Carson's idea on health reform has been fuzzy and flipped around more than a $10 hooker, but basically:
- Carson would eliminate tax incentives given to companies that offer their employees health insurance
- Carson believes people would voluntarily leave Medicare in favor of health savings accounts
- Proposing the government give $2000/year to each persons HSA, despite the government currently spending ~$11000 on each Medicare beneficiary - obviously some higher, some lower.
I have great health insurance through my employer and am not a medicare/medicaid user, but I understand what Carson is trying to do and it is not a good thing for Americans in my opinion. Dinking Medicare would be a huge problem for many people come general election time.
It's not a matter of "effort" or "free stuff", it's a matter of expecting the average Medicaid user (some much higher, some much lower - but on average) to pay $9000 out of pocket MORE than they are paying now for their health needs. I know many people on Medicaid who wouldn't be able to afford that.
Couple with the delusion that he thinks Americans will voluntarily give up said Medicare and pay more out of pocket.
The more dangerous notion is that people would vote for this guy, who basically knows nothing about anything he talks about - but he makes them "feel good" because he's humble, soft spoken, and God is #1 to him.
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I'm not opposed to health savings accounts* - but they don't work for everybody, especially when the gov't contribution would only be $2000.
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Kasich earned my respect by slamming his fellow candidates ridiculous, pandering and quite frankly unfuckingamerican proposals. Shitcanning medicare/Medicaid would have sunk the party cause of how many conservative elderly people "rely" on those programs. Without them most elderly people have no shot at affording the medications that keep them alive frankly.
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Kasich earned my respect by slamming his fellow candidates ridiculous, pandering and quite frankly unfuckingamerican proposals. Shitcanning medicare/Medicaid would have sunk the party cause of how many conservative elderly people "rely" on those programs. Without them most elderly people have no shot at affording the medications that keep them alive frankly.
Kasich earned my respect by slamming his fellow candidates ridiculous, pandering and quite frankly unfuckingamerican proposals. Shitcanning medicare/Medicaid would have sunk the party cause of how many conservative elderly people "rely" on those programs. Without them most elderly people have no shot at affording the medications that keep them alive frankly.
Seems like this would be a good thing to start a thread on, since he specifically slammed Carson's 10% flat tax, abolishing medicaid/medicare, and Trump for wanting to deport 11mil illegals - but I don't think it would make it past the first page without turning into a discussion about thermodynamics and evolution.
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and fucking magnets, don't forget the fucking magnets.
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