Kasich is likely done
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Also, Carson added more cinder blocks to his feet by saying not only does he want to get rid of obamacare, he also wants to get rid of Medicare/Medicaid.
Odd position for a famed Doctor to have, but regardless the guy is a clown and has no chance outside of the crazies in Iowa.
Seems like he's really strong in his faith, but apparently reducing government spending is more important to God than giving health care to those who can't afford it.
The assumptions you're making here are an indication of why 'Murrica is broke and broken and why there is probably not a fix via Federal elections.
The assumptions you're making here are an indication of why 'Murrica is broke and broken and why there is probably not a fix via Federal elections.
Carson's idea on health reform has been fuzzy and flipped around more than a $10 hooker, but basically:
- Carson would eliminate tax incentives given to companies that offer their employees health insurance
- Carson believes people would voluntarily leave Medicare in favor of health savings accounts
- Proposing the government give $2000/year to each persons HSA, despite the government currently spending ~$11000 on each Medicare beneficiary - obviously some higher, some lower.
I have great health insurance through my employer and am not a medicare/medicaid user, but I understand what Carson is trying to do and it is not a good thing for Americans in my opinion. Dinking Medicare would be a huge problem for many people come general election time.
It's not a matter of "effort" or "free stuff", it's a matter of expecting the average Medicaid user (some much higher, some much lower - but on average) to pay $9000 out of pocket MORE than they are paying now for their health needs. I know many people on Medicaid who wouldn't be able to afford that.
Couple with the delusion that he thinks Americans will voluntarily give up said Medicare and pay more out of pocket.
The more dangerous notion is that people would vote for this guy, who basically knows nothing about anything he talks about - but he makes them "feel good" because he's humble, soft spoken, and God is #1 to him.
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I'm not opposed to health savings accounts* - but they don't work for everybody, especially when the gov't contribution would only be $2000.
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Kasich earned my respect by slamming his fellow candidates ridiculous, pandering and quite frankly unfuckingamerican proposals. Shitcanning medicare/Medicaid would have sunk the party cause of how many conservative elderly people "rely" on those programs. Without them most elderly people have no shot at affording the medications that keep them alive frankly.
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Kasich earned my respect by slamming his fellow candidates ridiculous, pandering and quite frankly unfuckingamerican proposals. Shitcanning medicare/Medicaid would have sunk the party cause of how many conservative elderly people "rely" on those programs. Without them most elderly people have no shot at affording the medications that keep them alive frankly.
Kasich earned my respect by slamming his fellow candidates ridiculous, pandering and quite frankly unfuckingamerican proposals. Shitcanning medicare/Medicaid would have sunk the party cause of how many conservative elderly people "rely" on those programs. Without them most elderly people have no shot at affording the medications that keep them alive frankly.
Seems like this would be a good thing to start a thread on, since he specifically slammed Carson's 10% flat tax, abolishing medicaid/medicare, and Trump for wanting to deport 11mil illegals - but I don't think it would make it past the first page without turning into a discussion about thermodynamics and evolution.
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and fucking magnets, don't forget the fucking magnets.
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Kasich earned my respect by slamming his fellow candidates ridiculous, pandering and quite frankly unfuckingamerican proposals. Shitcanning medicare/Medicaid would have sunk the party cause of how many conservative elderly people "rely" on those programs. Without them most elderly people have no shot at affording the medications that keep them alive frankly.
Of course nobody is talking about throwing the elderly under the bus.Kasich earned my respect by slamming his fellow candidates ridiculous, pandering and quite frankly unfuckingamerican proposals. Shitcanning medicare/Medicaid would have sunk the party cause of how many conservative elderly people "rely" on those programs. Without them most elderly people have no shot at affording the medications that keep them alive frankly.
People are actually talking about replacing an old expensive under productive system for a better one. That claim is made by left-wing prevaricators and believed by early onset dementia sufferers.
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Of course nobody is talking about throwing the elderly under the bus.Kasich earned my respect by slamming his fellow candidates ridiculous, pandering and quite frankly unfuckingamerican proposals. Shitcanning medicare/Medicaid would have sunk the party cause of how many conservative elderly people "rely" on those programs. Without them most elderly people have no shot at affording the medications that keep them alive frankly.
People are actually talking about replacing an old expensive under productive system for a better one. That claim is made by left-wing prevaricators and believed by early onset dementia sufferers.
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Of course nobody is talking about throwing the elderly under the bus.
People are actually talking about replacing an old expensive under productive system for a better one. That claim is made by left-wing prevaricators and believed by early onset dementia sufferers.
WSS
Dumping medicare and contributing < 20% per capita (compared to what the gov't currently pays) into health savings accounts instead means that if you threw an elderly person under a bus, they'd be best off not getting out from under that bus.
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Of course nobody is talking about throwing the elderly under the bus.Kasich earned my respect by slamming his fellow candidates ridiculous, pandering and quite frankly unfuckingamerican proposals. Shitcanning medicare/Medicaid would have sunk the party cause of how many conservative elderly people "rely" on those programs. Without them most elderly people have no shot at affording the medications that keep them alive frankly.
People are actually talking about replacing an old expensive under productive system for a better one. That claim is made by left-wing prevaricators and believed by early onset dementia sufferers.
WSS
Of course nobody is talking about throwing the elderly under the bus.
People are actually talking about replacing an old expensive under productive system for a better one. That claim is made by left-wing prevaricators and believed by early onset dementia sufferers.
WSS
"any" perturbation in medicare/Medicaid coverage could "literally" cost people their lives. And Kasich understood that. "IF" you're gonna replace those programs it has to be one of the most professional and detailed replacements that has ever been done not just by govt but by the free market too.
You couldn't roll it out half assed like Obamacare that's for sure. Listening to republicans give the same private vs public program arguments I was frankly unconvinced. If you're gonna even breathe about those programs, you'd better have an alternative that you've been working on for years ready to go to present to the American people. Some dumbass republican who's main intention is to throw a windfall at his insurance donors doesn't sway me one iota.
Seriously, if there's anything that could potentially torpedo the republican party completely out of the political scene it would be a cockup with old people's health insurance. Grandma and Grandpa not getting their meds and dying in their recliners horribly.....doneso's for the republican and/or tea party. Done.
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And it wouldn't be liberals being done with the party, their base constituency would evacuate.
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like Japanese people from Godzila making landfall.
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Medicaid is welfare health care. Medicare is paid for your entire life until age 65. Big difference.
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Medicaid is welfare health care. Medicare is paid for your entire life until age 65. Big difference.
Medicaid is welfare health care. Medicare is paid for your entire life until age 65. Big difference.
Carson would like to get rid of both and social security.
But Medicaid is still a necessary thing, not all poor people are bad ya know.
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like Japanese people from Godzila making landfall.
like Japanese people from Godzila making landfall.
I think you stumbled on that pretty fair comparison. The danger posed by restructuring Medicare Medicaid and social security is about equal to a rubber lizard shot through a macro lens.
But fear mongering has been working for a good many years, why stop now?
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Medicaid is welfare health care. Medicare is paid for your entire life until age 65. Big difference.
Carson would like to get rid of both and social security.
But Medicaid is still a necessary thing, not all poor people are bad ya know.
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Medicaid is welfare health care. Medicare is paid for your entire life until age 65. Big difference.
Carson would like to get rid of both and social security.
But Medicaid is still a necessary thing, not all poor people are bad ya know.
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I think the media is grossly underrating Sanders. He owns the 18-30 crowd - which is now the biggest voter block in the country if they turn out.
The thing about the Sanders supporters is I think many aren't being polled and many will turn out. I think it's going to be a lot closer than the Hillary land slide the media is predicting (and wants)
I think the media is grossly underrating Sanders. He owns the 18-30 crowd - which is now the biggest voter block in the country if they turn out.
The thing about the Sanders supporters is I think many aren't being polled and many will turn out. I think it's going to be a lot closer than the Hillary land slide the media is predicting (and wants)
I'd be much more intrigued by sanders but he doesn't own shit and the younger generations never have the power they think they do.
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WB-58809
There's a link.
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Not entirely fair because this is the clarification after extreme backlash came his way, he earlier said he'd get rid of it.
Now he said people will voluntarily switch to health savings plan where the gov't will contribute $2000 to per year, which I explained why is terrible earlier on.
At best you can say his details are fuzzy, but as its laid out so far it's not so good.
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Yes the details might be fuzzy. Everybody's details are fuzzy. But not nearly as fuzzy as the fear mongering that you bought into.
Those came from the opposition's propaganda.
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Yes the details might be fuzzy. Everybody's details are fuzzy. But not nearly as fuzzy as the fear mongering that you bought into.
Those came from the opposition's propaganda.
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Yes the details might be fuzzy. Everybody's details are fuzzy. But not nearly as fuzzy as the fear mongering that you bought into.
Those came from the opposition's propaganda.
WSS
I gave my evaluation of his plan as I understand it. If anybody has any corrections or thinks I'm wrong I'm all ears.
Aside from that, I also disagree with him on many things - including the eliminate all deduction 10% flat tax. I disagree with a flat tax to begin with, and I think some deductions should remain (like companies that cover employee health care)
Most people here seem to like him for his personal beliefs and persona, but he also has batshit political ideas too.
I'm just saying he called me the reason federal elections don't matter, but I inform myself well above average of what I'm voting for - IMO Carson's ideas are very dangerous and flat out stupid.
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I'm not saying you didnt. I'm saying that the information you got had probably been though the campaign teams that are against him. That's all.
I never said you made it up. Getting wrong information from either side happens all the time.
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