Kasich is likely done
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Yes the details might be fuzzy. Everybody's details are fuzzy. But not nearly as fuzzy as the fear mongering that you bought into.
Those came from the opposition's propaganda.
WSS
Yes the details might be fuzzy. Everybody's details are fuzzy. But not nearly as fuzzy as the fear mongering that you bought into.
Those came from the opposition's propaganda.
WSS
I gave my evaluation of his plan as I understand it. If anybody has any corrections or thinks I'm wrong I'm all ears.
Aside from that, I also disagree with him on many things - including the eliminate all deduction 10% flat tax. I disagree with a flat tax to begin with, and I think some deductions should remain (like companies that cover employee health care)
Most people here seem to like him for his personal beliefs and persona, but he also has batshit political ideas too.
I'm just saying he called me the reason federal elections don't matter, but I inform myself well above average of what I'm voting for - IMO Carson's ideas are very dangerous and flat out stupid.
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I'm not saying you didnt. I'm saying that the information you got had probably been though the campaign teams that are against him. That's all.
I never said you made it up. Getting wrong information from either side happens all the time.
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Who called you the reason federal elections don't matter?
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Who called you the reason federal elections don't matter?
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Who called you the reason federal elections don't matter?
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I was referring to mohican saying why murica is broken.
It's broken because people vote for people like Carson because he's nice and he shares the same personal beliefs.
Cuts and reform is nice, but not cuts that are detrimental to large chunks of the population..
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Who called you the reason federal elections don't matter?
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I was referring to mohican saying why murica is broken.
It's broken because people vote for people like Carson because he's nice and he shares the same personal beliefs.
Cuts and reform is nice, but not cuts that are detrimental to large chunks of the population..
I was referring to mohican saying why murica is broken.
It's broken because people vote for people like Carson because he's nice and he shares the same personal beliefs.
Cuts and reform is nice, but not cuts that are detrimental to large chunks of the population..
True enough. Why do you think anybody voted for Obama?
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I was referring to mohican saying why murica is broken.
It's broken because people vote for people like Carson because he's nice and he shares the same personal beliefs.
Cuts and reform is nice, but not cuts that are detrimental to large chunks of the population..
True enough. Why do you think anybody voted for Obama?
WSS
True enough. Why do you think anybody voted for Obama?
WSS
Similar reasons, many people support Trump for the same reasons.
Carson sounds really good, at the debate he said health savings accounts would be an optional alternative to Medicare - not get rid of it (he has said that before though), I think the issue with that is nobody will opt go pay more out of pocket for health care.
Trump is driving on emotions too, but when you cut past all the orange and noise he still has some more moderate stances that are somewhat reasonable.
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From Steve's link:
He said it is “completely false” to say he would eliminate the programs.
“That’s a narrative that somebody is putting out there to scare people,” Mr. Carson said. If someone prefers the current government programs to the health-savings-account approach, “I’m not going to deny you the privilege of doing that,” he added.
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Still waiting for the link, Edward, where Carson said he wanted to get rid of it.Got it from Hillary, perhaps? Back it up.
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Kasich said some good things on the recent debate, calling out the 'fantasy' from other candidates.
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And I was pleasantly surprised by the more cutting nature of the questions compared to previous debates.
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And Ted Cruz is now complaining about the questions being too mean...
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. On the other hand I loved chris Christie's response to the fantasy football question.
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And I thought each candidate was less caustic toward the others than last time and more focused on the real enemy, Hillary.
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Except Kasich, basically. There did seem to be a lot less trump-bashing/worshipping though.
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That was the best debate so far and it was in large part due to the moderators. Cruz looked like a pussy complaining about them. If Cruz doesn't like questions about what the candidates "publically" say about each other in between debates, take it up with them. It's valid to ask people why did you say this about this person or that person. I liked that a couple of the candidates final got to put their balls on the table, Christie came off a lot better than the last debate. So did Kasich, Rubio and Paul. Still like Paul the best, he could do one of these debates on a moments notice cause he knows all this shit and doesn't need to be coached for weeks on what to say like you could tell Carson and Fiorina had done.
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That was the best debate so far and it was in large part due to the moderators. Cruz looked like a pussy complaining about them. If Cruz doesn't like questions about what the candidates "publically" say about each other in between debates, take it up with them. It's valid to ask people why did you say this about this person or that person. I liked that a couple of the candidates final got to put their balls on the table, Christie came off a lot better than the last debate. So did Kasich, Rubio and Paul. Still like Paul the best, he could do one of these debates on a moments notice cause he knows all this shit and doesn't need to be coached for weeks on what to say like you could tell Carson and Fiorina had done.
That was the best debate so far and it was in large part due to the moderators. Cruz looked like a pussy complaining about them. If Cruz doesn't like questions about what the candidates "publically" say about each other in between debates, take it up with them. It's valid to ask people why did you say this about this person or that person. I liked that a couple of the candidates final got to put their balls on the table, Christie came off a lot better than the last debate. So did Kasich, Rubio and Paul. Still like Paul the best, he could do one of these debates on a moments notice cause he knows all this shit and doesn't need to be coached for weeks on what to say like you could tell Carson and Fiorina had done.
It wasn't the questions were mean...the questions were obviously biased and I was glad to see the moderators get called down for it. This debate was supposed to be focused on the economy not tabloid news.
Rubio made an excellent point about the mainstream media bias when asked about a liberal newspaper calling for him to resign for missing votes due to campaigning when the same liberal rag supported Kerry and Obama who missed even more votes when running and it wasn't an issue for this liberal rag when the democrat candidate missed votes to run.
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They were asking the questions people want to be answered. Jeb Bush is riding Rubio for missing votes? Then ask Rubio about it. If what he says stands up to scrutiny (about others missing votes) then it should be the end of it.
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Despite the best efforts of CNBC to have a food fight amongst the candidates, this became a debate about the economy, about tax policy, government spending and social security because the republican candidates refused to go along with the game/setup these lib moderators had set up.
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I would much rather have moderators from the other side, because you don't get served these puffy questions. Except 'what's your greatest weakness' which most candidates avoided. You get questions people want to hear, not just repeated mantras and vague policy outlines.
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From Steve's link:
He said it is “completely false” to say he would eliminate the programs.
“That’s a narrative that somebody is putting out there to scare people,” Mr. Carson said. If someone prefers the current government programs to the health-savings-account approach, “I’m not going to deny you the privilege of doing that,” he added.
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Still waiting for the link, Edward, where Carson said he wanted to get rid of it.Got it from Hillary, perhaps? Back it up.
I think Rubio did well, but I still don't like his justification about hating, not voting, and not running for re-election in the senate.
Carson did OK but didn't have much thrown his way.
Cruz did pretty well
Trump did OK, the personal senator gaffe didn't look so good - he actually said a weakness which was a surprise, otherwise did fine
Everybody else I'd call a loser (Bush big time), except maybe Kasich and Christie who did fine. Kasich let off the gas after the first 10 minutes I think that was a mistake.
From Steve's link:
He said it is “completely false” to say he would eliminate the programs.
“That’s a narrative that somebody is putting out there to scare people,” Mr. Carson said. If someone prefers the current government programs to the health-savings-account approach, “I’m not going to deny you the privilege of doing that,” he added.
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Still waiting for the link, Edward, where Carson said he wanted to get rid of it.Got it from Hillary, perhaps? Back it up.
He did an interview with fox news this past Sunday that gave the impression he wanted to get rid of medicare/medicaid for his $2000 HSA plan but then he clarified it later.
It would be voluntary/people could opt in. Obviously I wouldn't expect many adults to opt in (and pay more out of pocket) - but if it started at infancy it'd probably be better.
Give everybody $2000/year from the day they're born til the day they die. Pass it on to family and transfer balances between family. But you could also buy supplemental catastrophic insurance (typically extremely high deductible insurance coupled with the HSA)
But that's only the 79 mil people currently enrolled, if you enrolled at a later date you'd have a tiny savings account.
The biggest problem with it is giving everybody an average. Some people get like 1 physical per year, some get $200,000 operations. Everybody spends a different amount of money, so averaging it out would be pretty imbalanced.
I also don't like the simple 10-15% flat tax plan. I think that the tiered income tax is appropriate - also many deductions need to go, but some should stay.
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I would much rather have moderators from the other side, because you don't get served these puffy questions. Except 'what's your greatest weakness' which most candidates avoided. You get questions people want to hear, not just repeated mantras and vague policy outlines.
I would much rather have moderators from the other side, because you don't get served these puffy questions. Except 'what's your greatest weakness' which most candidates avoided. You get questions people want to hear, not just repeated mantras and vague policy outlines.
Well no different from the campaign itself all the way to the State of the Union address.
WSS
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