could Joey Bosa start for the Browns tommorrow...
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I'd take a dinged up Suggs over any of our OLB'ers, I mean that's just common sense this point right? If we went back to a 4-3 i'd keep Kruger around for one more year but take him back up to 280 to give him a fair shot at being a productive 4-3 DE
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Off the top of my head, I'd trade, straight up, for:
Smith -> Hawkins
Flacco -> McCown
Yanda -> Greco/Bito
Jernigan -> Bryant
Suggs, Dumerville -> Kruger, Mingo
Mosley -> Kirksey
Forsett -> Turbin/Crow
Juszkckzkckzak -> Johnson
That's nine. Want to dispute any of them? Who am I kidding, you're you, of course you do
Off the top of my head, I'd trade, straight up, for:
Smith -> Hawkins
Flacco -> McCown
Yanda -> Greco/Bito
Jernigan -> Bryant
Suggs, Dumerville -> Kruger, Mingo
Mosley -> Kirksey
Forsett -> Turbin/Crow
Juszkckzkckzak -> Johnson
That's nine. Want to dispute any of them? Who am I kidding, you're you, of course you do
Even if Jernigan isn't starting, Williams is better than Shelton also. There's also a couple of DBs. That's 9. You don't get to just dismiss Smith and Suggs.
But this is really all beside the point, because the Browns have a pretty strong roster on paper as well. We just don't play like it. Also, no one has confidence in us getting an elite player out of a top 5 pick. Baltimore probably will.
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off topic - it looks like we could get Cardale Jones much later in the draft now - or even as a UDFA.....
off topic - it looks like we could get Cardale Jones much later in the draft now - or even as a UDFA.....
I don't see any way he goes undrafted. If he falls far someone will take him late to let him sit and develop. He has tons of tools, just needs to learn to use them.
There's also the option that he could go the graduate transfer route and try to build his draft stock somewhere else for a year.
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off topic - it looks like we could get Cardale Jones much later in the draft now - or even as a UDFA.....
I don't see any way he goes undrafted. If he falls far someone will take him late to let him sit and develop. He has tons of tools, just needs to learn to use them.
There's also the option that he could go the graduate transfer route and try to build his draft stock somewhere else for a year.
I don't see any way he goes undrafted. If he falls far someone will take him late to let him sit and develop. He has tons of tools, just needs to learn to use them.
There's also the option that he could go the graduate transfer route and try to build his draft stock somewhere else for a year.
Like a Bryce Petty or Tajh Boyd, he'll get picked up somewhere. If Tom Savage & Logan Thomas got drafted, Jones will certainly go somewhere. Just maybe not until day 3.
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I'd take a dinged up Suggs over any of our OLB'ers, I mean that's just common sense this point right? If we went back to a 4-3 i'd keep Kruger around for one more year but take him back up to 280 to give him a fair shot at being a productive 4-3 DE
I'd take a dinged up Suggs over any of our OLB'ers, I mean that's just common sense this point right? If we went back to a 4-3 i'd keep Kruger around for one more year but take him back up to 280 to give him a fair shot at being a productive 4-3 DE
Suggs is not "dinged up" he is out completely....for the rest of the season.....with an achilles tear. And at 34 next year, that injury may be a death knell to his career.
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Off the top of my head, I'd trade, straight up, for:
Smith -> Hawkins
Flacco -> McCown
Yanda -> Greco/Bito
Jernigan -> Bryant
Suggs, Dumerville -> Kruger, Mingo
Mosley -> Kirksey
Forsett -> Turbin/Crow
Juszkckzkckzak -> Johnson
That's nine. Want to dispute any of them? Who am I kidding, you're you, of course you do
Even if Jernigan isn't starting, Williams is better than Shelton also. There's also a couple of DBs. That's 9. You don't get to just dismiss Smith and Suggs.
But this is really all beside the point, because the Browns have a pretty strong roster on paper as well. We just don't play like it. Also, no one has confidence in us getting an elite player out of a top 5 pick. Baltimore probably will.
Even if Jernigan isn't starting, Williams is better than Shelton also. There's also a couple of DBs. That's 9. You don't get to just dismiss Smith and Suggs.
Yes, I do get to completely dismiss Suggs. See my previous post.
And while I don't dismiss Smith....I know that at his best or even slightly less than he best he has been a great player...but I don't think he is anywhere near there. And I don't see a single DB on the Ravens as talented as their Browns counterpart.
But this is really all beside the point, because the Browns have a pretty strong roster on paper as well. We just don't play like it. Also, no one has confidence in us getting an elite player out of a top 5 pick. Baltimore probably will.
OK, now that, unfortuneatly we can agree on.
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I'd take a dinged up Suggs over any of our OLB'ers, I mean that's just common sense this point right? If we went back to a 4-3 i'd keep Kruger around for one more year but take him back up to 280 to give him a fair shot at being a productive 4-3 DE
Suggs is not "dinged up" he is out completely....for the rest of the season.....with an achilles tear. And at 34 next year, that injury may be a death knell to his career.
Suggs is not "dinged up" he is out completely....for the rest of the season.....with an achilles tear. And at 34 next year, that injury may be a death knell to his career.
It may also not. At worst, he's stout against the run and lost a step as a pass rusher - which is still better than Mingo.
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Suggs is not "dinged up" he is out completely....for the rest of the season.....with an achilles tear. And at 34 next year, that injury may be a death knell to his career.
It may also not. At worst, he's stout against the run and lost a step as a pass rusher - which is still better than Mingo.
It may also not. At worst, he's stout against the run and lost a step as a pass rusher - which is still better than Mingo.
Well, he isn't anything right now....but on IR. And who knows what the achilles injury at his age could do to either his run stopping or pass rushing abilities.
A healthy Suggs? Sure, he would get the nod.
And on Mingo.....I have railed about how completely deadheaded this Browns DC has been about how he is used. I don't think we really know how good or bad Mingo really could be, because he is used so improperly...imo.
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I'd take a dinged up Suggs over any of our OLB'ers, I mean that's just common sense this point right? If we went back to a 4-3 i'd keep Kruger around for one more year but take him back up to 280 to give him a fair shot at being a productive 4-3 DE
Suggs is not "dinged up" he is out completely....for the rest of the season.....with an achilles tear. And at 34 next year, that injury may be a death knell to his career.
Suggs is not "dinged up" he is out completely....for the rest of the season.....with an achilles tear. And at 34 next year, that injury may be a death knell to his career.
ahhh it's Achilles, did not know that. Still, i'd bet in two years he could come back and give one more year of productivity better than anything we've got. Obviously wouldn't give him a contract based on that bet, i'm just saying. It wouldn't take much to out do our current OLB'ers.
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It may also not. At worst, he's stout against the run and lost a step as a pass rusher - which is still better than Mingo.
Well, he isn't anything right now....but on IR. And who knows what the achilles injury at his age could do to either his run stopping or pass rushing abilities.
A healthy Suggs? Sure, he would get the nod.
And on Mingo.....I have railed about how completely deadheaded this Browns DC has been about how he is used. I don't think we really know how good or bad Mingo really could be, because he is used so improperly...imo.
Well, he isn't anything right now....but on IR. And who knows what the achilles injury at his age could do to either his run stopping or pass rushing abilities.
A healthy Suggs? Sure, he would get the nod.
And on Mingo.....I have railed about how completely deadheaded this Browns DC has been about how he is used. I don't think we really know how good or bad Mingo really could be, because he is used so improperly...imo.
I agree on Mingo, he's a 4-3 blitzing OLB'er. What confuses me is that we've used Kruger this year as exactly that...the 5th guy shadowing up to the line. Why on earth? Mingo is the speed guy you use as the 5th guy you bring up to the line and standup....Mingo is the guy who's a threat if he drops back and a threat if he decides a late blitz.....not fucking Kruger. I really really really hope Pettine had nothing to do with what we've done with Kruger this year. Imo it's so stupid that I might retract my earlier statements about him being unfireable for at least another year or so. I really want to hear from him at the end of the year that he ceded to something Oneil wnted to try.
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Suggs is not "dinged up" he is out completely....for the rest of the season.....with an achilles tear. And at 34 next year, that injury may be a death knell to his career.
ahhh it's Achilles, did not know that. Still, i'd bet in two years he could come back and give one more year of productivity better than anything we've got. Obviously wouldn't give him a contract based on that bet, i'm just saying. It wouldn't take much to out do our current OLB'ers.
ahhh it's Achilles, did not know that. Still, i'd bet in two years he could come back and give one more year of productivity better than anything we've got. Obviously wouldn't give him a contract based on that bet, i'm just saying. It wouldn't take much to out do our current OLB'ers.
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