STALLWORTH UPDATE
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@jadbf said:
I did follow, and I did see his comments and I agree with them. Employers have a right to suspend their employees the second they are involved in an incident involving the police. And Jew I belive also has the same opinion I do. The fact he was under the influence is IMMATERIAL, Stallworth killed a man with his vehicle. and BY ALL COUNTS, the man he killed was not drunk himself. So what if a cop shoots someone and kills them? aren't they suspended or put on desk duty while the investigation is ongoing? There are many examples where employers have the right to change the status of your employment before charges are even filed. And IMO and I would guess Jew's, playing in the NFL is a privaleged occupation that brings with it more responsibility and the need for a faster reaction than if it was a garbage man who hit this pedestrain.oh and no thank you, I'm Straight. Maybe you can talk to lums.
Whatever dude. Also, at the time there was NOTHING of proof indicating the state of the man killed, i.e. drunk, high, whatever. As for cops, yes, they are put on desk duty. That is NOT suspended. For a prime example of jumping the gun on suspensions before proof, just look at the Duke situation. But believe what ya want, I'm just glad I don't live in a country being run by you two, would seem too much like Russia.
But believe what ya want, I'm just glad I don't live in a country being run by you two, would seem too much like Russia.
if i ran a country, it'd be much more like north korea.
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You guys keep making these beer references.... I dont know about you all but I usually just drink Bacardi 151 straight. About 6 shots of that in 2 hours and Im trashed. I think you people arent thinking that people do drink liquor you know. Stallworth probably knocked a few shots back instead of drinking 16 beers.
Yes, but we're equating it with what white people drink.
AdaM said:
Yes, but we're equating it with what white people drink.And apparently, bigots.
The 'thanks' for your post was unintentional. Call me trigger happy.
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Man all you people are xxxxed up.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
You guys keep making these beer references.... I dont know about you all but I usually just drink Bacardi 151 straight. About 6 shots of that in 2 hours and Im trashed. I think you people arent thinking that people do drink liquor you know. Stallworth probably knocked a few shots back instead of drinking 16 beers.
Yes, but we're equating it with what white people drink.
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Man all you people are xxxxed up.
Man all you people are xxxxed up.
Man, I love this off-season ... great intensity.
BTW, no one drinks 151 for pleasure. That's just stupid.
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The law is ambiguous when stating who really had the right-of-way at the crosswalk where this happened. Clear;y, the guy was jaywalking, as Stallworth blew through a yellow, not a red.
Jaywalking is an informal term used to refer to illegal or reckless pedestrian crossing of a roadway. Examples include a pedestrian crossing between intersections (outside a crosswalk, marked or unmarked) without yielding to drivers and starting to cross a crosswalk at a signalized intersection without waiting for a permissive indication to be displayed. In the United States, state statutes generally reflect the Uniform Vehicle Code in requiring drivers to yield the right of way to a pedestrians at crosswalks; at other locations, crossing pedestrians are either required to yield to drivers or, under some conditions, are prohibited from crossing.
Perhaps it comes down to state or local law here? I dunno. Whatever the case, this is a horrible thing.
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Man all you people are xxxxed up.
Man, I love this off-season ... great intensity.
BTW, no one drinks 151 for pleasure. That's just stupid.
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The law is ambiguous when stating who really had the right-of-way at the crosswalk where this happened. Clear;y, the guy was jaywalking, as Stallworth blew through a yellow, not a red.
Jaywalking is an informal term used to refer to illegal or reckless pedestrian crossing of a roadway. Examples include a pedestrian crossing between intersections (outside a crosswalk, marked or unmarked) without yielding to drivers and starting to cross a crosswalk at a signalized intersection without waiting for a permissive indication to be displayed. In the United States, state statutes generally reflect the Uniform Vehicle Code in requiring drivers to yield the right of way to a pedestrians at crosswalks; at other locations, crossing pedestrians are either required to yield to drivers or, under some conditions, are prohibited from crossing.
Perhaps it comes down to state or local law here? I dunno. Whatever the case, this is a horrible thing.
mz. said:
The law is ambiguous when stating who really had the right-of-way at the crosswalk where this happened. Clear;y, the guy was jaywalking, as Stallworth blew through a yellow, not a red.Perhaps it comes down to state or local law here? I dunno. Whatever the case, this is a horrible thing.
I finally talked to my brother today. He's a retired cop.
He said that in cases in which he was involved that were similar to this one, the courts will not even consider the fact that the person was jaywalking and that the DUI takes precedent due to the seriousness of the offense. He actually used a legal term and now I can't think of it.
He said he knew of a case where a driver did not yield to an oncoming car and pulled out in front of it and was T-boned.
But the car that did not yield ended up NOT being cited because the driver who had T-boned him was intoxicated and driving well past the speed limit.
He's pretty sure the justice system will look at this situation in the same way. Especially if it's true that he accelerated to beat a yellow light while being intoxicated.
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mz. said:
The law is ambiguous when stating who really had the right-of-way at the crosswalk where this happened. Clear;y, the guy was jaywalking, as Stallworth blew through a yellow, not a red.Perhaps it comes down to state or local law here? I dunno. Whatever the case, this is a horrible thing.
I finally talked to my brother today. He's a retired cop.
He said that in cases in which he was involved that were similar to this one, the courts will not even consider the fact that the person was jaywalking and that the DUI takes precedent due to the seriousness of the offense. He actually used a legal term and now I can't think of it.
He said he knew of a case where a driver did not yield to an oncoming car and pulled out in front of it and was T-boned.
But the car that did not yield ended up NOT being cited because the driver who had T-boned him was intoxicated and driving well past the speed limit.
He's pretty sure the justice system will look at this situation in the same way. Especially if it's true that he accelerated to beat a yellow light while being intoxicated.
I finally talked to my brother today. He's a retired cop.
He said that in cases in which he was involved that were similar to this one, the courts will not even consider the fact that the person was jaywalking and that the DUI takes precedent due to the seriousness of the offense. He actually used a legal term and now I can't think of it.
He said he knew of a case where a driver did not yield to an oncoming car and pulled out in front of it and was T-boned.
But the car that did not yield ended up NOT being cited because the driver who had T-boned him was intoxicated and driving well past the speed limit.
He's pretty sure the justice system will look at this situation in the same way. Especially if it's true that he accelerated to beat a yellow light while being intoxicated.
Your right about the seriousness and the fact there was a death. Put the two together and Stallworth is pretty much screwed.
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Yinz are now talking about the seriousness of a DUI death when the victim may have been jaywalking?
No wonder stains fans are considered the trashiest in the NFL.
Regards
..... an'at
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Yinz are now talking about the seriousness of a DUI death when the victim may have been jaywalking?
No wonder stains fans are considered the trashiest in the NFL.
Regards
..... an'at
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Steeler SChuck said:
Yinz are now talking about the seriousness of a DUI death when the victim may have been jaywalking?No wonder stains fans are considered the trashiest in the NFL.
Regards
..... an'at
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First of all, how is it that they let steeler fans onto this board let alone a steeler fan that says "yinz". Everything about this guy from his name, to the stupid fat redneck firing the guns, to the F*CKING stupid ass sig, and his little phrase "YINZ" shouts obnoxiousness.
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Yinz are now talking about the seriousness of a DUI death when the victim may have been jaywalking?
No wonder stains fans are considered the trashiest in the NFL.
Regards
..... an'at
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Steeler SChuck said:
Yinz are now talking about the seriousness of a deathHow are Mike Webster and Steve Courson these days?
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I just wanted to interject with this little tid-bit....I was living in St Louis when this happened....
After a drunken birthday in 1998, NFL star Leonard Little crashed into and killed another motorist. When tested, his blood alcohol level measured 0.19 percent. Little received 60 days and 1000 hours of community service. Six years later, after the involuntary manslaughter conviction was wiped from his record, Little was again arrested for drunk driving.
For those of you who did not even see this let me tell you what happened.....After a night of birthday celebration Little was driving his Navigator through downtown St Louis when he struck and killed a mother of 2 who was on her way to pick up her children...Little got out of his car and started yelling.."look what that bitch did to my navigator!" When police arrived on the scene Little was screaming ..."That bitch ran a yellow light!" ....which by all accounts dumbass makes your light RED! Little received what amounts to a slap on the wrist for this...only to be arrested for DUI again in the future.
Now if this were you or me????? We would still be UNDER the jail!...Sometimes it pays to have celebrity status and lots of cash!...Who wants to bet that Stallworth gets a 5 game suspension...30 days in jail....and 1000 hrs community service....????anyone???? Especially since his victim was an immigrant.
I just wanted to interject with this little tid-bit....I was living in St Louis when this happened....
After a drunken birthday in 1998, NFL star Leonard Little crashed into and killed another motorist. When tested, his blood alcohol level measured 0.19 percent. Little received 60 days and 1000 hours of community service. Six years later, after the involuntary manslaughter conviction was wiped from his record, Little was again arrested for drunk driving.
For those of you who did not even see this let me tell you what happened.....After a night of birthday celebration Little was driving his Navigator through downtown St Louis when he struck and killed a mother of 2 who was on her way to pick up her children...Little got out of his car and started yelling.."look what that bitch did to my navigator!" When police arrived on the scene Little was screaming ..."That bitch ran a yellow light!" ....which by all accounts dumbass makes your light RED! Little received what amounts to a slap on the wrist for this...only to be arrested for DUI again in the future.
Now if this were you or me????? We would still be UNDER the jail!...Sometimes it pays to have celebrity status and lots of cash!...Who wants to bet that Stallworth gets a 5 game suspension...30 days in jail....and 1000 hrs community service....????anyone???? Especially since his victim was an immigrant.
I know there's 14 or 15 pages in this thread but this was what I wrote earlier in the thread regarding the similarity to Leonard Little and the part of my excerpt not shown was that Donta got in trouble before with the laws of the road:
He (Donta) MAY indeed feel bad BUT millions of dollars don't make you above the law nor does it give someone's LIFE back right??? As we've seen in the past, if you have millions like Leonard Little did - it's just a slap on the wrist in the end. And if memory serves me right, Little got in trouble again on the highway AFTER his manslaughter thing. Lesson learned? If not, why do you suppose it wasn't?
I'm coming from a place that says if priviledged people that aren't ever asked to FOLLOW the laws like other citizens have to - people with HISTORY like Donte come to strike 2. This time strike 2 ended someone's life and impacted the rest of the lives of his family. Had the strike 1 penalty been more meaningful than a $50 dollar fine maybe this guy learns from it and we prevent the recent tragedy so there's a "happily ever after" here. Guess what?
Had to ask why bother when I saw Stallworth went back to Cleveland to start working out with his teammates. Has he even scored 1 TD with all the FA cake he made? Some of the guys we've signed via FA in the last 4 years have KILLED our upside:
Jason Fisk (gas tank was on fumes),
Joe Andruzzi (who allowed him to pass his physical? The same guy that said Suggsy's Spinal Stenosis was a non-issue?),
LeCharles Bentley (bad luck - I cried my eyes out like a 6 year old watching Old Yeller),
Ted Washington (nobody looked at age, waiste-line and gas tank),
Kenny Wright (too drugged up for a Cheech & Chong movie so he gets FA cake in Cleveland),
Gary Baxter (Bad luck - I never understood what prompted us to make him our 3rd highest paid player though),
Andra Davis (HOW does anyone re-up this guy if they watched film or understand GOOD LBing?),
Shaun Smith (he only hit 1 QB and it wasn't on game day or in practice),
Kevin Shaffer (what was up with the absurd cake we threw at that guy to play LEFT Tackle?),
Jamal Lewis & Reuben Droughns (1 good year from each before being reminded of the upside/wear & tear phenomenon),
Corey Williams (Savage said he was brought here for his pass rushing resume so HOW MUCH did he understand the 3-4)
Robaire Smith (PLEASANT surprise from an age standpoint until we saw the reality of what happens with age)
Matt Stewart (Never really impressed us before he tore his labrum)
Joe Jurevicious (Couldn't ever stay healthy because he was too old when we sought his services)
Donta Stallworth (there's a reason NOBODY cared to keep him yet - football ain't 1st or 2nd on his priority list so he gets a $5 million signing bonus)
Derek Anderson (controversial placement here because we beat 10 Pop Warner football teams in 2007 but 31 teams with uninhibited access to him in 2008 want Quinn instead. Upside was 2 months. Downside has been infinite)
- Add up those salaries and you quickly learn WHY you still need to build through the draft. If you have the WRONG guy drafting, you'll do okay in the upper half of round 1. It's the 6 other rounds - he'll gag on. Hence, we just traded away draft picks when we realized we were in over our head. FA makes a team payout far more dollars for the experience and alleged proven commodities. It's been an absolute show stopper here because Shaun Rogers and Eric Steinbach represent the exception to OUR rule. I'm at the point where it'll be hard to bellyache if we hand anyone walking papers for more picks.
- Tom F.
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I Agree ... Cleveland has been devastated by a series of Terrible "Luck"... and questionable F.O. moves . I dont know... whatever it is , the True Fans you have left (Surprisingly a Good Number of them) are as Loyal as they come ( a Tad Bitter at times though , lol ) . Personally , I dont EVER want to lose to Cleveland... But would love to see a swing away from all this drama and disaster and become a viable franchise again , there is absolutely NO Humor in Stallworths situation. I Hope the truth is served and Donte grows as a person through this. Personally I would Ignor anyone tossing Barbs at Cleveland over this as an ignorant version of Rattling the Cage ( Much like the whole Steeler Steroid THREAD has been intended to Rattle the Cage of Steelernation) I am personally embarrassed over a Fan who laughs at the Stallworth Situation !!
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Here's a video describing the possible legal implications for Donte Stallworth. It doesn't look good for him. Florida has some tough mandatory laws in place. So it doesn't look like he'll be playing football anytime soon.
http://www.speakingofjustice.com/_Mike-Kra...8417/23913.html
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I'm not sure I can feel sorry for Stallworth in light of what happened.
But he's not an evil person either - he made a very serious and irresponsible mistake and someone else paid for that mistake with his life.
I'd have to think that Stallworth's life is largely ruined as well - at least compared to where he was prior to the accident.
I'm sure his lawyer will vigorously defend him and will do his best to earn every penny of the $5 million roster bonus Stallworth was probably out celebrating that night. But I'd be surprised if he's able to focus on football. I'd guess even though he's reported back to the team he'll be granted a leave shortly for personal reasons. For now, on just a personal level, it's good to see his teammates and the organization - and even most of the fans - supporting Stallworth on a personal level.
Although others are expressing understandable outrage I'd guess that no one's being harder on Donte than Stallworth himself.
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I'm not sure I can feel sorry for Stallworth in light of what happened.
But he's not an evil person either - he made a very serious and irresponsible mistake and someone else paid for that mistake with his life.
I'd have to think that Stallworth's life is largely ruined as well - at least compared to where he was prior to the accident.
I'm sure his lawyer will vigorously defend him and will do his best to earn every penny of the $5 million roster bonus Stallworth was probably out celebrating that night. But I'd be surprised if he's able to focus on football. I'd guess even though he's reported back to the team he'll be granted a leave shortly for personal reasons. For now, on just a personal level, it's good to see his teammates and the organization - and even most of the fans - supporting Stallworth on a personal level.
Although others are expressing understandable outrage I'd guess that no one's being harder on Donte than Stallworth himself.
I'm not sure I can feel sorry for Stallworth in light of what happened.
But he's not an evil person either - he made a very serious and irresponsible mistake and someone else paid for that mistake with his life.
I'd have to think that Stallworth's life is largely ruined as well - at least compared to where he was prior to the accident.
I'm sure his lawyer will vigorously defend him and will do his best to earn every penny of the $5 million roster bonus Stallworth was probably out celebrating that night. But I'd be surprised if he's able to focus on football. I'd guess even though he's reported back to the team he'll be granted a leave shortly for personal reasons. For now, on just a personal level, it's good to see his teammates and the organization - and even most of the fans - supporting Stallworth on a personal level.
Although others are expressing understandable outrage I'd guess that no one's being harder on Donte than Stallworth himself.
I'm not sure I can feel sorry for Stallworth in light of what happened.
I feel sorry for him, but if all this comes to pass, he made his own bed.
I'm sure his lawyer will vigorously defend him
He or she better. It is what they vow to do and are paid to do.
Everybody is entitled to the best defense possible.
I'd have to think that Stallworth's life is largely ruined as well
No doubt....again....if it turns south on him.
Although others are expressing understandable outrage I'd guess that no one's being harder on Donte than Stallworth himself.
I agree.
It's sad when you see a person really screw up. Sad for the victum, sad for Stallworth. I am sure he didn't plan to do this.
Shit happens.
Unfortnately.
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MAYBE STALLWORTH WAS NOT DRUNK.... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11533119 ..Gotta ask yourself. Does Miami have Breathalizers? YES. Are they sensitive enough to register that 1.4 is over .08 and show he was drunk ? YES... Why wasn't arrested on the spot? How long does it take a hospital to run a blood test? Maybe a couple hours. A police lab a few days at best? Answer...Maybe he was not drunk. Why has he not been arrested yet? Are they running other tests? Who knows? But that he has not been arrested yet. Charged, arraigned, post bail etc. Leads me to beleive the report of the 1.4 is just some bogus leak from an irresponsible reporter.. >> I am guilty of jumping in once I saw the 1.4 on the news too .. But you gotta ask yourself ..Why hasn't been arrested yet . They are allowing him to leave the state??? Does not seem like they would do this if he were facing a felony.. Seems a bit odd to me.. What do you guys think?
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